I Appreciate Assault Weapons. And I Support a Ban

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

3 hours ago, AVB-AMG said:

I do believe that we can collectively come up with an acceptable compromise that would address this problem, potentially reducing the risk of future similar mass shootings, while still allowing gun owners to keep and enjoy their guns.

Ahh, there it is, I was waiting for it to put in an appearance, and it is no surprise that it was in a post from AVB-AMG. The "C" word - compromise. The tool used by every snake oil salesman, just before they sell you down the river. Gun owners have been sold the "compromise deal" ever since someone decided that the general populous having guns was a bad thing - and screw the 2A and its "shall not be infringed". Lets see, there was the GCA of 1934, the GCA of 1968, the ban on full auto weapons under the guise of the FOPA of 1986, the AWB of 1994, not to mention all the "me-too" legislation enacted by various states and municipalities.

I think that someone needs to show our politicians the meaning of the word "compromise". Here's how Webster defines it: settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions. What concessions have we received? Where is the compromise in all of the above? Gee, the government has allowed us to keep guns it approves of, but it keeps coming back to the table for another bite of the gun control apple.

There should be no more compromises - we've given up enough, it's time to draw our line in the sand.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

[1LtCAP 4,262]

26 minutes ago, mossburger said:

Are we sure he is a Russian shill?

Through gun ownership, I have met many people from Russia and various Eastern European countries. I found all of them to be very proud Americans, passionate gun owners, and huge supporters of individual liberty and limited government.

It's almost as if people who have experience with socialism understand how much it sucks...

funny you say that. i've got a few customers from different commi-bloc countries. virtually EVERY SINGLE one of them seems to be more proud to call themselves americans than many americans i know.

 

 that said....avb is the king of the trolls here i think.

[Shane45 807]

Save lives, that's funny, really funny. I guess we will be posting unicorns in the schools too.

[Regular Guy 264]

Before Supreme Court Justice Scalia died, when the SC over turned Washington DC's gun laws, he wrote in his ruling that one of the purpose of the 2nd amendment was to arm people to be able to defend against the over-reach of a tyrannical government should that ever become necessary.  His opinion was that we should have similar weaponry to that available to law enforcement. Not full auto machine guns like the military has, but not flint lock muskets either.  

Now some have pointed out this very valid point:  Its impossible for us to have enough firepower to defeat our own army and/or Air Force.  Some will counter with this:  according to Posse Comitatus, the branches of the arm forces cannot be used against our own civilian populations, only the National Guard (as pointed out, is us, citizen soldiers).  This was added in 1878 because the Founding Fathers did not dream of Abrams Tanks and Stealth Bombers.  Has the active military ever been used against citizens in a domestic incident?  Look closely at the events of Waco Texas, where tanks from nearby army base were involved when they assaulted the compound.  Every agency involved, from the Texas Rangers,  BATFE, US Marshals, FBI, the whole alphabet soup of agencies wanted into that place and got warrants to go in (some legit, some not so legit).  Nothing in their requests for warrants (and nothing found afterward to this day) showed that they knew or suspected there was manufacturing of drugs taking place in the compound.  Had there been, they could have legally asked General Clark for assistance from the Army Joint Task Force Six because there is an exception to Posse Comitatus for drug war activity.  

I digress.  It looks like the authors of the Bill of Rights foresaw the need to defend against the law enforcement agencies that existed at the time who directly enforced the will of the executive and legislative branches of government (Sheriffs, Marshals, state militias/ currently know as National Guard, etc) but at that time, there were only rifles, mortars and cannons. Enough riflemen could take on and defeat opposing mortars and cannons.  

Bottom line:  The advancement of technology has led to us having no ABILITY to outshoot the government.  However, it is my opinion that this fact does not mean we should not have the will or ability to attempt to fight back if necessary.  Sometimes the will to fight is enough to win a fight.

[diamondd817 826]

Wait, the government and it's employees failed at every possible level surrounding this shooting, so I should give up my guns. OK, Got it.

[Golf battery 1,223]

2 hours ago, AVB-AMG said:

GunsnFreedom:

Do your really believe that all of us gun owners in the United States have a realistic chance to use those guns to be the "armed citizenry to keep the state, these United States, free from tyranny..."?  Really...???  Not a chance.  If we were to forcefully rebel using our guns, we would be crushed, killed or imprisoned by LEO, National Guard and the Military.  Time for you and anyone else who believes that to come back to reality.

AVB-AMG
 

I f’n know for sure we would have a winning chance.  Elitists think all mil/leo are going to follow unconstitutional orders.  But they’re not.  So f off.  

[diamondd817 826]

2 minutes ago, Golf battery said:

I f’n know for sure we would have a winning chance.  Elitists think all mil/leo are going to follow unconstitutional orders.  But they’re not.  So f off.  

LE, absolutely will. US Military, not so much. US Military are true Americans, totally different breed.

[Golf battery 1,223]

I would beg to differ and say reverse. But hey.   Never know till it happens 

[JohnnyB 4,321]

21 minutes ago, Regular Guy said:

Bottom line:  The advancement of technology has led to us having no ABILITY to outshoot the government.  However, it is my opinion that this fact does not mean we should not have the will or ability to attempt to fight back if necessary.  Sometimes the will to fight is enough to win a fight.

The REAL bottom line is we outnumber the military by such huge numbers that we sure as hell have that ability if it came to that!

[GramGun79 226]

3 hours ago, Sig226GuyNJ said:

You guys actually read the OP?

I was thinking the same thing. I lost my attention after the first 27 lines 

[Regular Guy 264]

1 hour ago, JohnnyB said:

The REAL bottom line is we outnumber the military by such huge numbers that we sure as hell have that ability if it came to that!

Very good point sir.  Joseph Stalin once said "Quantity has a quality all it's own."  He said this of the T-34 tanks vs the German tanks of WWII.  The T-34s were cheaper and easier to build.  They had lighter armor (first tank with sloped armor), but the shear numbers could not be overcome.

[Golf battery 1,223]

1 hour ago, GramGun79 said:

I was thinking the same thing. I lost my attention after the first 27 lines 

Can “i like” this 27 times?  Wtf.  Shut up.  We get it already.  

[GunsnFreedom 245]

3 hours ago, AVB-AMG said:

GunsnFreedom:

Do your really believe that all of us gun owners in the United States have a realistic chance to use those guns to be the "armed citizenry to keep the state, these United States, free from tyranny..."?  Really...???  Not a chance.  If we were to forcefully rebel using our guns, we would be crushed, killed or imprisoned by LEO, National Guard and the Military.  Time for you and anyone else who believes that to come back to reality.

AVB-AMG
 

Do I believe armed citizens have a realistic chance against one of the most capable and best fighting forces the world has known? 

Yes.  Look at the War in Afghanistan, the Soviet-Afghan War, the Vietnam War, the Battle of Mogadishu (also the greater Somali Civil War), and our own Revolutionary War.  All shining examples of citizens fighting - and winning - against the military of either the US, their country or a major power.

Alternatively, we can look at Iran recently.  The people tried to change the tyrannical government of the Ayatollah - but were put down by the government.  For gods sake look at current situation in Venezuela.  If the people were armed, they would not be starving to death!

Time and time again we have seen what, relatively, poorly armed and trained civilians can do against superior forces.  On the other hand, if the citizens are not armed or are not supplied by a foreign government, they stand a very poor chance of preventing tyranny or repelling foreign invasion when their own government has been destabilized. 

 

To add a little historical context, you need to also understand how the framers envisioned America.  They deeply distrusted standing professional armies.  The First Continental Congress declined to act on a proposal to even raise a national army when being attacked by the British.  The state militias (which solely consisted of citizens) were the armies of the day.  Eventually a federal army was raised to repel the British in a more organized fashion; but after peace was achieved the army was functionally disbanded. There were just a few regiments left to protect the battery at West Point and defend against American Indian invasions in the west. It was not until World War I that the US had a large and professional standing army.  

Keeping a "free state" means keeping it free from both foreign and domestic enemies.  It is the duty of all able bodied citizens to maintain freedom and liberty.

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” - Ronald Reagan

 

[1LtCAP 4,262]

numbers.

[Zeke 5,504]

2 hours ago, diamondd817 said:

Wait, the government and it's employees failed at every possible level surrounding this shooting, so I should give up my guns. OK, Got it.

Nailed it! And I’d add, the gubment full of people..

[jackandjill 683]

4 hours ago, Sig226GuyNJ said:

You guys actually read the OP?

No. I blocked him. History of his posts and title was enough. More than happy to unblock and apologize if OP has "reasonable" things to say. 

[Zeke 5,504]

2 hours ago, mossburger said:

Are we sure he is a Russian shill?

Through gun ownership, I have met many people from Russia and various Eastern European countries. I found all of them to be very proud Americans, passionate gun owners, and huge supporters of individual liberty and limited government.

It's almost as if people who have experience with socialism understand how much it sucks...

@AVB-AMG good guy in person. In person I have his back. The online monster, not soo much.

Now ponder this before you gang rape him, is it social media that causes things like school shootings? Are you part of the problem? Interesting.....

[jackandjill 683]

2 minutes ago, Zeke said:

@AVB-AMG good guy in person. In person I have his back. The online monster, not soo much.

Now ponder this before you gang rape him, is it social media that causes things like school shootings? Are you part of the problem? Interesting.....

Its not JUST the social media. Its social media and then some. Its actually liberals that took parenting away from parents, and put State in charge. Its liberals who created the brain washed, public school environment where every snowflake must be cherished, given awards, not be left behind, in fact, others must be dragged down just so the idiots & retards (did I say that loud?) can feel better. 

Talking about liberal brainwashing in public schools. Ponder this. Why is it that most school shootings seem to happen at public schools and public universities and not private ?  Why is it that school shootings increased (according to CNN) after 1980 and 90 passage of background checks and Gun Free Zone laws ? Certainly the semi-autos were invented long before that and they are as lethal then as they are today, arent they ? 

[Sniper 6,372]

2 hours ago, JohnnyB said:

The REAL bottom line is we outnumber the military by such huge numbers that we sure as hell have that ability if it came to that!

Exactly, case in point, look at the response to any major shooting, it ties up LEO for a complete county. A few targeted groups of Patriots spread out could handcuff any available LEO or military in a big area.

Plus, talking of a standing army, anyone know how many hunting licenses are issued every year in the country? Hint: It's YYUUGGE. If just 10% of these guys showed up to fight, any of the .Gov forces wouldn't stand a chance.

[Zeke 5,504]

2 minutes ago, jackandjill said:

Its not JUST the social media. Its social media and then some. Its actually liberals that took parenting away from parents, and put State in charge. Its liberals who created the brain washed, public school environment where every snowflake must be cherished, given awards, not be left behind, in fact, others must be dragged down just so the idiots & retards (did I say that loud?) can feel better. 

Talking about liberal brainwashing in public schools. Ponder this. Why is it that most school shootings seem to happen at public schools and public universities and not private ?  Why is it that school shootings increased (according to CNN) after 1980 and 90 passage of background checks and Gun Free Zone laws ? Certainly the semi-autos were invented long before that and they are as lethal then as they are today, arent they ? 

Private schools with high risk targets ( rich kids) have armed security....

[jackandjill 683]

1 minute ago, Zeke said:

Private schools with high risk targets ( rich kids) have armed security....

Private school my middle class neighbor kid goes to doesnt have armed security and they never heard of "active shooter drills".  

[AVB-AMG 530]

Rather than just gang bashing me, would any of you care to actually read and offer your comments and opinions on the op-ed piece written by FL Republican Congressman and former U.S. Army bomb technician Brian Mast, titled:  Appreciate Assault Weapons.  And I Support a Ban.

That was the point of my posting this thread......
I think he has some valid ideas and think that some of you may actually agree....  Then again, some of you may not, which is fine.  Can we actually have a discussion on the points he has raised?

AVB-AMG

[Zeke 5,504]

4 minutes ago, jackandjill said:

Private school my middle class neighbor kid goes to doesnt have armed security and they never heard of "active shooter drills".  

Not to cut you short, your argument will end with something along the lines that Mcarthy was right

[Zeke 5,504]

2 minutes ago, AVB-AMG said:

Rather than just gang bashing me, would any of you care to actually read and offer your comments and opinions on the op-ed piece written by FL Republican Congressman and former U.S. Army bomb technician Brian Mast, titled:  Appreciate Assault Weapons.  And I Support a Ban.

That was the point of my posting this thread......
I think he has some valid ideas and think that some of you may actually agree....  Then again, some of you may not, which is fine.  Can we actually have a discussion on the points he has raised?

AVB-AMG

No, because murder is against the law already. If we pass another law, let’s say make murder double illegal! Like 2 death sentence ‘s double illegal, will it stop murder?

its always, and will forever be, a people problem.

[Sniper 6,372]

9 minutes ago, AVB-AMG said:

 

  Can we actually have a discussion on the points he has raised?

AVB-AMG

No, any discussion regarding banning hardware is nonsense, when anyone with critical thinking skills knows the problem is behind the trigger, a defective person willing to kill another person.

It really doesn't get any simpler than that. Thinking that an inanimate object is the cause of these shootings and just thinking that banning a particular model firearm will solve the problem, is simply nuts.

Writing NEW laws and banning hardware will NEVER stop the next shooter. NEVER.

9 minutes ago, Zeke said:

No, because murder is against the law already. If we pass another law, let’s say make murder double illegal! Like 2 death sentence ‘s double illegal, will it stop murder?

its always, and will forever be, a people problem.

True dat.

After the first murder, every one after that is free.

[JohnnyB 4,321]

@AVB-AMG can you take a hint?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6keZIUJBsQ

PS. Keep the hat.......It suits you well!

 

[capt14k 2,052]

Is there anyone left who doesn't think AVB is a paid troll?

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[capt14k 2,052]

Any idea that involves banning arms is Unconstitutional and dangerous. We the people are armed well enough to win a guerrilla war against the Military and Law Enforcement. However we should have RPGS, Machine Guns, and any other arm, that can be beared, to make our job easier, as our forefathers intended.


The Finns were far outnumbered and outgunned and they held off the Russians. They disabled Russian tanks by jamming logs in the tracks. Once the tank came to a stop they killed everyone inside, and now they had a tank.

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[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358]

TL;DR.   Lol

What do you want?  Do you:

1) want to close the gun show loophole?

2) bring all semi automatic guns under NFA Class 3?

3) ban all AR-15’s?

what do you want?   Tell me.  Because, the mofo Nikolas Cruz passed a NICS check.  Tell me what you want rather than posting a TLDR Blog post and copy and paste from a news article.  You are the most mentally lazy driveler ever.  Give me an ask and I will tell you my bid (because I’m a trader)

[CAL. .30 M1 2,101]

5 hours ago, AVB-AMG said:

GunsnFreedom:

Do your really believe that all of us gun owners in the United States have a realistic chance to use those guns to be the "armed citizenry to keep the state, these United States, free from tyranny..."?  Really...???  Not a chance.  If we were to forcefully rebel using our guns, we would be crushed, killed or imprisoned by LEO, National Guard and the Military.  Time for you and anyone else who believes that to come back to reality.

AVB-AMG
 

Go away....we seek not your arms or counsel....  your a charlatan.

 

Go drive ur kids to soccer.