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Listen to it again...i thought the same. He doesn't want it packaged with other gun regulations in fear that nothing would get passed. He did say he's on the side of passing National carry but would like it to come through on its own bill. 

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Whoa whoa whoa....

He didn’t day that.

He doesn’t want it to be part of the current comprehensive gun bill he is trying to get through.
He wants it to be a separate bill.
If he included it in, the comp bill would not pass.


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Actually I disagree. This is the PERFECT time to pass National Reciprocity! We have just seen that the FBI, Police, etc. cannot protect us! Why aren’t they seizing the moment???

As far as anything “else” passing, we really don’t want anything other to pass, do we? Unless they are giving something, I say no taking.

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18 minutes ago, GramGun79 said:

Listen to it again...i thought the same. He doesn't want it packaged with other gun regulations in fear that nothing would get passed. He did say he's on the side of passing National carry but would like it to come through on its own bill. 

And based on what I heard on the press conference, passing nothing would be a great thing.

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40 minutes ago, bhunted said:

Whoa whoa whoa....

He didn’t day that.

He doesn’t want it to be part of the current comprehensive gun bill he is trying to get through.
He wants it to be a separate bill.
If he included it in, the comp bill would not pass.


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Well, if it’s a comprehensive gun bill, what else is glommed on there if not NR?  I’m fine for separate or comprehensive  bills for things, but be consistent.   To say that NR is too risky for a “comprehensive” gun bill does make one worry what less risky things he’s ok with?   From his statements over the last week it could be any of the following: FixNICS, age increase, red flag laws, bump stock ban... none of which are particularly good for 2A folks. 

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I watched the entire discussion. Trump is setting up the left for chumps. They may get a few bones in the comprehensive bill but they ain't gonna get what they really want. Just wait. Meanwhile, he is stacking mad chips on popularity on the left and left of center coming across as reasonable.

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And based on what I heard on the press conference, passing nothing would be a great thing.

Nooooo, not good. Would mean no NR too.


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I watched the entire discussion. Trump is setting up the left for chumps. They may get a few bones in the comprehensive bill but they ain't gonna get what they really want. Just wait. Meanwhile, he is stacking mad chips on popularity on the left and left of center coming across as reasonable.
I was where you are at. Making excuses for Trump. Turning him into this genius chess player. That guy was Bannon. Trump is selling us out plain and simple.

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I was where you are at. Making excuses for Trump. Turning him into this genius chess player. That guy was Bannon. Trump is selling us out plain and simple.

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Won’t happen....


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There's a 25 year old video of a Trump interview where he states there's no need for these "assault style" weapons. Until he ran for President as far I always knew he was left of center socially not economically. Maybe someone in this section could enlighten me and explain why is National Reciprocity the Holy Grail for NJ gun owners, it doesn't help us. What am I missing here?

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2 minutes ago, S&W39 said:

There's a 25 year old video of a Trump interview where he states there's no need for these "assault style" weapons. Until he ran for President as far I always knew he was left of center socially not economically. Maybe someone in this section could enlighten me and explain why is National Reciprocity the Holy Grail for NJ gun owners, it doesn't help us. What am I missing here?

it fdoes help us if it's hr38 unmolested

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2 hours ago, Scorpio64 said:

I watched the entire discussion. Trump is setting up the left for chumps. They may get a few bones in the comprehensive bill but they ain't gonna get what they really want. Just wait. Meanwhile, he is stacking mad chips on popularity on the left and left of center coming across as reasonable.

Did you see the jag off sitting on the right of Trump  Weapons of war, FUK her

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Please do not take what I am about to say as anti NRA, but I sure am glad I gave the NRA money to support Trump, only to have to listen to him caving to the people who gave their money to Hillary.

Even if he is setting them up for a fall as bhunted said,  we deserve better than this. In my opinion it gives the anti gun crowd fuel to keep going, and makes us feel betrayed.

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Won’t happen....

 

 

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We hope it won't happen. Trump was an Anti before his sons converted him. Usually someone who has changed their position after the age of 25, especially if it was due to a life changing event, is ardent in their new position. However his "change" could have been purely for political reasons. I haven't heard of Trump Sr competing in 3 gun or going on Safari Hunts. We may have been had. I hope not.

 

 

What we do need is his Democrat daughter and son in law out of the White House and his boys in there. Kushner losing top secret clearance, and some of his supporters leaving the White House, is a step in the right direction.

 

 

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A lot of us support the NRA but, the anti 2A crowd views NRA people as prejudiced, bigoted Nazi memorabilia wearing right wing nuts. The media definitely has a lot to do with this. I don't know the general consensus but I feel Dana Loesch isn't the best choice for making the points for the NRA. She comes off very robotic and cold I think The NRA should reconsider another front person.

We voted for Trump not his Fn family.

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32 minutes ago, silverado427 said:

Did you see the jag off sitting on the right of Trump  Weapons of war, FUK her

Yes, I thought she was going to cream her crusty old cooter.  The hand wringing, literally wringing her hands like a stereotypical villein.  Trump is familiar with all the arguments against banning AR type rifles and could have smacked her down, but he let her have her moment.

I stand by my original statement.  Trump ran casinos and I'm sure he is intimately familiar with Game Theory.  The bells and whistles are ringing and the left thinks they are winning, but in reality, they are loosing just a little more every time they pull the lever.  They will never win the jackpot because the game is rigged against them.  He's playing them for suckers.

Right now, Trumps approval rating is above Obama's at the same point in his presidency.  He's killing it, still winning. MAGA bitches

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4 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said:

Yes, I thought she was going to cream her crusty old cooter.  The hand wringing, literally wringing her hands like a stereotypical villein.  Trump is familiar with all the arguments against banning AR type rifles and could have smacked her down, but he let her have her moment.

I stand by my original statement.  Trump ran casinos and I'm sure he is intimately familiar with Game Theory.  The bells and whistles are ringing and the left thinks they are winning, but in reality, they are loosing just a little more every time they pull the lever.  They will never win the jackpot because the game is rigged against them.  He's playing them for suckers.

Right now, Trumps approval rating is above Obama's at the same point in his presidency.  He's killing it, still winning. MAGA bitches

I hope he knows that.  But I don’t see what he (we) wins by using a tactic like this? It is giving creedance to the liberal gun control taking points.  He essentially trashed the NRA.  

It all concerns me.

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Just now, Kevin125 said:

I hope he knows that.  But I don’t see what he (we) wins by using a tactic like this? It is giving creedance to the liberal gun control taking points.  He essentially trashed the NRA.  

It all concerns me.

It’s all amount the midterms. Democrats gained momentum in the last 3 weeks. Today was an attempt to undercut that and keep them from riding it until November. 

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It’s all amount the midterms. Democrats gained momentum in the last 3 weeks. Today was an attempt to undercut that and keep them from riding it until November. 


If that is the case it is a terrible game plan. You win elections by energizing your base not alienating them. The independent swing voter is a myth. 5-10% of actual voters are independents.


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1 hour ago, capt14k said:

 


If that is the case it is a terrible game plan. You win elections by energizing your base not alienating them. The independent swing voter is a myth. 5-10% of actual voters are independents.


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I agree.  This is a big issue for a huge part of his base.  He is mentioning Gun Free Zones and arming teachers but I don’t think anyone is saying that eliminating those zones and insuring teachers can carry if they personally choose to, is part of any bill to be proposed. So if you listen to what he is saying, he is offering up past deal breakers on gun laws and getting zero for it.  

Plus he is letting idiots who know nothing about firearms make completely false statements in these meetings.  Not just democrats but republicans.  They are saying you can’t buy an automatic weapon, that AR15s are weapons of war, that there’s a difference between an 18 years with an rifle and a 23 year old with a rifle.  This all reinforces lies and thats among the last things we should be doing.

We can wait and see, but this is disturbing so far.  And republicans should realize, that if they go along with gun control and gun bans and criminalizing a constitutional right, they won’t just lose ground in the midterm, they will get pummeled and likely lose to a Dem in the prez election in 2020.

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I have been speculating a lot lately. So let me speculate for the other side a bit. 

I watched the video. Everybody in that room is playing poker and trying to put best poker face they can, including the disgrace-to-human-race sitting on left of President. 

Trump is the guy who doesn't show cards at all. The fact that "no one" knows where he stands on lot of things is testament to it. Trump want Congress to fail and fail miserably. He wants all these proposals to get so outrageous and packaged together, that the Congress will keep themselves busy for some time and fail miserably (again). 

He is thinking that including National CCW INCREASES chances of compromise and success of A bill passing and not give us much in real National CCW anyways. 

In that video, he insisted on a "comprehensive" bill , not multiple bills. If he was really interested in stupid solutions , he could have asked to push every bill on its own.

Now, if Dems wise up and start pushing individual bills, Trump can veto them and complain that he did not get a comprehensive bill. 

If RINOs give in and pass a ridiculously large, "comprehensive" bill, Trump can blame RINOs and move on. Or he could veto it under "not comprehensive enough". He could sign it under justification that WE (The People) dont have balls to reign in RINOs. 

 

Remember, I am speculating a lot. 

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-stuns-lawmakers-with-seeming-embrace-of-gun-control-measures/ar-BBJI1QI?ocid=spartandhp

 

Trump has betrayed us. 

 

 

Trump Stuns Lawmakers With Seeming Embrace of Gun Control Measures

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The New York Times logoWASHINGTON — President Trump stunned Republicans on live television Wednesday by embracing gun control and urging a group of lawmakers at the White House to resurrect gun safety legislation that has been opposed for years by the powerful National Rifle Association and the vast majority of his partIn a remarkable meeting, the president veered wildly from the N.R.A. playbook in front of giddy Democrats and stone-faced Republicans. He called for comprehensive gun control legislation that would expand background checks to weapons purchased at gun shows and on the internet, keep guns from mentally ill people, secure schools and restrict gun sales from some young adults. He even suggested a conversation on an assault weapons banAt one point, Mr. Trump suggested that law enforcement authorities should have the power to seize guns from mentally ill people or others who could present a danger without first going to court. “I like taking the guns early,” he said, adding, “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”The declarations prompted a frantic series of calls from N.R.A. lobbyists to their allies on Capitol Hill and a statement from the group calling the ideas that Mr. Trump expressed “bad policy.” Republican lawmakers suggested to reporters that they remained opposed to gun control measures“We’re not ditching any constitutional protections simply because the last person the president talked to today doesn’t like them,” Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said in a statement.Democrats, too, said they were skeptical that Mr. Trump would follow through.“The White House can now launch a lobbying campaign to get universal background checks passed, as the president promised in this meeting, or they can sit and do nothing,” said Senator Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut.

At the core of Mr. Trump’s suggestion was the revival of a bipartisan bill drafted in 2013 by Senators Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia, and Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania, after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Despite a concerted push by President Barack Obama and the personal appeals of Sandy Hook parents, the bill fell to a largely Republican filibuster.

Donald J. Trump et al. standing around a table: President Trump appeared to embrace comprehensive gun control during a meeting with lawmakers on Wednesday at the White House.© Tom Brenner/The New York Times President Trump appeared to embrace comprehensive gun control during a meeting with lawmakers on Wednesday at the White House. Mr. Trump’s embrace did not immediately yield converts. Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, said after the meeting that he was unmoved, repeating the Republican dogma that recent shootings were not “conducted by someone who bought a gun at a gun show or parking lot.” Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican who sat next to the president looking flustered, emerged from the meeting and declared, “I thought it was fascinating television and it was surreal to actually be there.”

But Mr. Trump suggested that the dynamics in Washington had changed after the school shooting in Florida that claimed 17 lives, in part because of his own leadership in the White House, a sentiment that the Democrats in the room readily appeared to embrace as they saw the president supporting their ideas.

“It would be so beautiful to have one bill that everyone could support,” Mr. Trump said as Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California and a longtime advocate of gun control, sat smiling to his left. “It’s time that a president stepped up.”

Democrats tried to turn sometimes muddled presidential musings into firm policy: “You saw the president clearly saying not once, not twice, not three times, but like 10 times, that he wanted to see a strong universal background check bill,” said Senator Amy Klobuchar, Democrat of Minnesota. “He didn’t mince words about it. So I do not understand how then he could back away from that.”

Just what the performance means, and whether Mr. Trump will aggressively push for new gun restrictions, remain uncertain given his history of taking erratic positions on policy issues, especially ones that have long polarized Washington and the country.

The gun control performance on Wednesday was reminiscent of a similar televised discussion with lawmakers about immigration in January during which the president appeared to back bipartisan legislation to help young immigrants brought to the country illegally as children — only to reverse himself and push a hard-line approach that helped scuttle consensus in the Senate.

Mr. Trump’s comments during the hourlong meeting were at odds with his history as a candidate and president who has repeatedly declared his love for the Second Amendment and the N.R.A., which gave his campaign $30 million. At the group’s annual conference last year, Mr. Trump declared, “To the N.R.A., I can proudly say I will never, ever let you down.”

But at the meeting, the president repeatedly rejected the N.R.A.’s top legislative priority, a bill known as concealed-carry reciprocity, which would allow a person with permission to carry a concealed weapon in one state to automatically do so in every state. To the dismay of Republicans, he dismissed the measure as having no chance at passage in the Congress. Republican leaders in the House had paired that N.R.A. priority with a modest measure to improve data reporting to the existing instant background check system.

“You’ll never get it,” Mr. Trump told Representative Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the House Republican whip who was gravely injured in a mass shooting last year but still opposes gun restrictions. “You’ll never get it passed. We want to get something done.”

Mr. Trump also flatly insisted that legislation should raise the minimum age for buying rifles to 21 from 18 — an idea the N.R.A. and many Republicans fiercely oppose. When Mr. Toomey pushed back on an increase in the minimum age for rifles, the president accused him of fearing the N.R.A. — a remarkable slap since the association withdrew its support for Mr. Toomey over his background check bill.

“If there’s a Republican who’s demonstrated he’s not afraid of the N.R.A., that would be me,” Mr. Toomey said after the meeting.

The president appeared eager to challenge the impression that he is bought and paid for by the gun rights group. While calling the membership of the N.R.A. “well meaning,” he also said he told its leaders at a lunch on Sunday that “it’s time. We’re going to stop this nonsense. It’s time.”

Officials at the gun group were taken aback by the president’s comments and immediately ramped up their lobbying against measures that they have long said would damage the Second Amendment and do little to protect people against gun violence.

“While today’s meeting made for great TV, the gun control policies discussed would make bad policy that wouldn’t keep our children safer,” said Jennifer Baker, a spokeswoman for the N.R.A.’s lobbying arm. “We are going to continue to work to pass policies that might actually prevent another horrific tragedy.”

But at least for Wednesday, Mr. Trump seemed willing to veer far from the N.R.A. script, even appearing to suggest that he might back an ban on assault-style weapons when Ms. Feinstein asked what they could do about “weapons of war.” The N.R.A. has helped defeat an assault weapons ban since the last one expired in 2004.

The reaction in Washington was swift. Breitbart.com, a right-wing site once led by Stephen K. Bannon, the president’s one-time chief strategist, published an article with a headline in bright red that said, “TRUMP THE GUN GRABBER.”

The site added that the president “CEDES DEMS’ WISH LIST — BUMP STOCKS, BUYING AGE, ‘ASSAULT WEAPONS,’ BACKGROUND CHECKS. TELLS SCALISE TO TAKE A HIKE — AFTER SURVIVING ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT.”

The president did return several times to a proposal that conservatives like: arming teachers in schools and ending the so-called gun-free zones around schools that Mr. Trump said had made those institutions among the most vulnerable targets for mass shooters.

“You’ve got to have defense, too,” the president told the lawmakers. “You can’t just be sitting ducks. And that’s exactly what we’ve allowed people in these buildings and schools to be.”

But several times, he acknowledged how controversial that proposal was, and seemed to accept the idea that it might not be included in a comprehensive gun control measure that could pass through both chambers of Congress.

He also backed a modest measure sponsored by a Republican and a Democrat in the Senate to improve the quality of the data in the background check system. But he told the bill’s author, Mr. Cornyn, to consider just adding that proposal to the broader expansion of the background check system.

“It would be nice to add everything on to it,” Mr. Trump said. “Maybe change the title. Maybe we could make it much more comprehensive and have one bill.”

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Correction: February 28, 2018

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: An earlier version of this article misstated the timing of a similar televised meeting. It

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3 minutes ago, bhunted said:

Why the hell you even looking at MSN? You do know you can go blind watching them jerkoffs?

Keep your friend close and your enemies even closer. It is not a made up story, it is what Trump said. You have to read the news on both sides and try to decide if any are true.

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