stuckinNJ 81 Posted March 6, 2018 It’s definitely easier to order a handgun with the standard mags that it comes with, rather than 1) Be able to find the model with 10 round mags, 2) find a dealer nice enough to swap 10 rounders or 3) have the gun sent without mags at all. Right now, the CZ P-07 has my interest, as does the S&W M&P 2.0 Compact. Both are 15 rounds standard. Budget is preferably mid to high $400s or less. Not looking for anything I can get after we’re reduced to 10. This rules out any CCW guns or revolvers. I already have a Sig P226, CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical, CZ 75 compact, CZ 75 Pre B, and HK VP9. Thanks for your suggestions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 6, 2018 CZ P-07 is highly underrated as a Mid size 9mm. I love mine, and when in 'murica I wear her appendix. Other 15 round options are Beretta 92/M9 and the H&K VP9, As an owner of the above 3 choices, I stand by them. BUT, I'm sure your will be fine with the Glock 19, M&P 2.0 Compact, CZ P10c, Sig P320 Compact and probably one you really should look into, the Walther PPQ. Don't forget the Sig P226 or P229. Lot's of 15 round choices sir, take your pick. ALL are viable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted March 6, 2018 I like the new CZ P10C. (I think that's the model #). I plan on purchasing Sept/Oct 2018, so I hope the 10 rd mag limit is not passed any time soon. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ray Ray said: CZ P-07 is highly underrated as a Mid size 9mm. I love mine, and when in 'murica I wear her appendix. Other 15 round options are Beretta 92/M9 and the H&K VP9, As an owner of the above 3 choices, I stand by them. BUT, I'm sure your will be fine with the Glock 19, M&P 2.0 Compact, CZ P10c, Sig P320 Compact and probably one you really should look into, the Walther PPQ. Don't forget the Sig P226 or P229. Lot's of 15 round choices sir, take your pick. ALL are viable Thanks but as I mention above, I already have a VP9 and a P226 lol. I’m pretty well covered as you can see. The P-10c hasn’t really caught my eye, especially since it had many issues early on. I had a G19 but sold it. I couldn’t get myself to like the ergonomics or trigger. The P320 is a nice idea actually. I don’t think I’ll like a Beretta though, I hate manual safeties! Another idea was the P365 since I believe it ships with a 12 rounder. But those have also been having a lot of early adoption issues! Thanks for your input 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 6, 2018 The PPQ seems to have become the best polymer 9mm made today. Since you already have the second best (VP9, but I think it is the best) 9mm plastic fantastic out today, then you would love the PPQ. Done, you got your next gun. You are welcome papi 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted March 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: The PPQ seems to have become the best polymer 9mm made today. Since you already have the second best (VP9, but I think it is the best) 9mm plastic fantastic out today, then you would love the PPQ. Done, you got your next gun. You are welcome papi That’s something I hadn’t considered. I’ll take a look, but tbh, I’m still getting myself used to the paddle release on the VP9.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, stuckinNJ said: That’s something I hadn’t considered. I’ll take a look, but tbh, I’m still getting myself used to the paddle release on the VP9.. PPQ M1 has the paddle release, PPQ M2 has the standard release. On a side note, the magazines between them are NOT interchangeable due to the cutout in the magazine. This gun will surprise you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: PPQ M1 has the paddle release, PPQ M2 has the standard release. On a side note, the magazines between them are NOT interchangeable due to the cutout in the magazine. This gun will surprise you I’ll look into the M2. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,263 Posted March 6, 2018 If you can get past the safeties, the beretta's are fine shooters. If you haven't shot one try it before you say no to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted March 6, 2018 I really like the CZ P10. It has the nicest striker fired trigger press I have ever felt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,321 Posted March 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, High Exposure said: I really like the CZ P10. It has the nicest striker fired trigger press I have ever felt. Better than a GLOCK? I am shocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted March 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, JohnnyB said: Better than a GLOCK? I am shocked! Lol I find my VP9 to be worlds better than my G19 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,321 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, stuckinNJ said: Lol I find my VP9 to be worlds better than my G19 I was just shocked that HE admitted it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358 Posted March 6, 2018 FNP-45 TacticalH&K 45CT I think you’re at that point in your collection where I would go quality over quantity. If you want to stick sub $400 then an FEG Hi Power Clone or Beretta PX4 Compact or RIA 9mm 1911 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 826 Posted March 6, 2018 M&P 2.0 Compact Beretta PX4 Compact (Compact Carry, if you can/want to afford it) Glock 19 Gen 5 Beretta 92 FS Compact (13rd Mags) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leadunderpressure 52 Posted March 6, 2018 FN FNX45 Tactical in 45acpHK MK23 in 45acp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bry@n 195 Posted March 6, 2018 What about a VP9SK? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lakota 342 Posted March 6, 2018 Cant speak to the SK but i concur with those above about the VP9 ... i luvz me my VP9. I almost bought the PPQ M2 .. another fine tool, but i opted for the VP9. But the VP9 can be had with 10 round mags .. I think it's just the LE edition that has the 15 rounders with it, which is what i got. Besides the mags (it comes with 3 of them), the LE edition just gives you tritium night sights. I personally like them better than the standard sights... but if you dont find value in the night sights they offer vs 3rd party... the LE edition might not be worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markymarkkev 13 Posted March 6, 2018 11 hours ago, stuckinNJ said: It’s definitely easier to order a handgun with the standard mags that it comes with, rather than 1) Be able to find the model with 10 round mags, 2) find a dealer nice enough to swap 10 rounders or 3) have the gun sent without mags at all. Right now, the CZ P-07 has my interest, as does the S&W M&P 2.0 Compact. Both are 15 rounds standard. Budget is preferably mid to high $400s or less. Not looking for anything I can get after we’re reduced to 10. This rules out any CCW guns or revolvers. I already have a Sig P226, CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical, CZ 75 compact, CZ 75 Pre B, and HK VP9. Thanks for your suggestions! Selling my CZP07 Tactical through my FFL - only thing it's already milled with an RMR from Primary Machine and has their comp as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted March 6, 2018 4 hours ago, diamondd817 said: M&P 2.0 Compact Beretta PX4 Compact (Compact Carry, if you can/want to afford it) Glock 19 Gen 5 Beretta 92 FS Compact (13rd Mags) The M&P is on the table. But the G19 is not. I already had one and sold it. 2 hours ago, leadunderpressure said: FN FNX45 Tactical in 45acp HK MK23 in 45acp Way out of my budget lol. Like more than double! 2 hours ago, bry@n said: What about a VP9SK? Also out if budget and it’s a 10 round gun I could obtain later. Also, since CCW doesn’t exist here, I’d prob stick to a shield or a P365 if I ever got a carry gun. 1 hour ago, Lakota said: Cant speak to the SK but i concur with those above about the VP9 ... i luvz me my VP9. I almost bought the PPQ M2 .. another fine tool, but i opted for the VP9. But the VP9 can be had with 10 round mags .. I think it's just the LE edition that has the 15 rounders with it, which is what i got. Besides the mags (it comes with 3 of them), the LE edition just gives you tritium night sights. I personally like them better than the standard sights... but if you dont find value in the night sights they offer vs 3rd party... the LE edition might not be worth it. The VP9 I already own is actually a Tactical model with a threaded barrel, exta mag and night sights! I appreciate the input guys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 6, 2018 12 hours ago, High Exposure said: I really like the CZ P10. It has the nicest striker fired trigger press I have ever felt. And the PPQ is even better. I found the trigger on the P10c to be the same as the Sig P320. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted March 6, 2018 11 hours ago, JohnnyB said: I was just shocked that HE admitted it! HA! "Perfect is the enemy of good" - Voltaire I know there are plenty of guns out there with better triggers, that are more accurate, that are reliable - but the Glock is good enough. Plenty of holster options, parts are easy to source, excellent value for what you pay, accurate enough, trigger is good enough. - But that P10 was sweet, I shot it against the striker fired models from HK, Walther, and my G19. The CZ was clearly the best of the bunch. Also, I am a big fan of "beware the man with one gun, he probably knows how to use it". I am issued and required to carry a Glock on duty. Why change that? I can qualify with or train with just about anything I want off duty. I just don't see value in spending time with a different gun than the one that I am required to carry 12 hours a day. I can train with a Glock 23, 27, or 35 and not loose a step. I have/had a S&W M&P, a Kahr, a HK P2000, a SA TRP Operator 1911, and others... They all shoot great, but it takes a few mags and some time to get accustomed to the feel of the grip, the recoil, the controls, natural point of aim for me, etc... Then I have to run through some time and ammo to get back up to speed with the Glock. The juice is just not worth the squeeze for me... When I am free to choose what I want to carry 100% of the time, or if I am issued something other than a Glock, I may choose something different. Until then, Glocks for me. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted March 6, 2018 Beretta 92FS/M9A1/M9A3 Glock 19 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted March 6, 2018 At this point, I think I’m between the P-07, M&P9 2.0 Compact and PPQ M2. They all come in at around the low $400s which is awesome, and have great reviews. Just gonna be hard to decide. Here’s a curveball, anyone have experience with a Steyr M9-A1? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sig226GuyNJ 128 Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, stuckinNJ said: At this point, I think I’m between the P-07, M&P9 2.0 Compact and PPQ M2. They all come in at around the low $400s which is awesome, and have great reviews. Just gonna be hard to decide. Here’s a curveball, anyone have experience with a Steyr M9-A1? I've never shot a P-07 but want to say, do yourself a favor and find someone with a 2.0 Compact, or go to a range and rent one. It is leaps and bounds better than the original M&P, and is the size of a G19, with better ergonomics. When you hold one, you will instantly how solid it is, and almost doesn't feel like a plastic gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,916 Posted March 6, 2018 I shot a Steyr exactly once. I tried it for a whole IDPA match and just couldn't get on with the weird triangular sights. I would suggest try a nice classic like a Browning Hi-Power or if you want something a little different, but also a bit classic, a 2011 in 9mm or .40. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gfl216 226 Posted March 6, 2018 If you're looking in the $400 range check out the new Ruger Security 9. You can get one for around $300. I haven't shot it yet but it feels great in the hand and seems to have a pretty good trigger. I will definitely be picking one up on my next round of permits. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bighungry618 450 Posted March 6, 2018 10 hours ago, diamondd817 said: M&P 2.0 Compact Beretta PX4 Compact (Compact Carry, if you can/want to afford it) Glock 19 Gen 5 Beretta 92 FS Compact (13rd Mags) Fondled it when I picked up my VP9, Love the grip, trigger is much improved from the last edition and didnt feel too small in my meat hooks. This is my new carry gun...it just doesn't know it yet. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 6, 2018 6 hours ago, stuckinNJ said: At this point, I think I’m between the P-07, M&P9 2.0 Compact and PPQ M2. They all come in at around the low $400s which is awesome, and have great reviews. Just gonna be hard to decide. Here’s a curveball, anyone have experience with a Steyr M9-A1? The Steyr comes with crappy, weird 10 round magazines. Your first three choices are solid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 7, 2018 7 hours ago, stuckinNJ said: Here’s a curveball, anyone have experience with a Steyr M9-A1? Don't pay any attention to Ray Ray - Steyr magazines are made by MecGar in Italy. They make or have made OE mags for the likes of Sig Sauer, Beretta, Walther and many others. They are excellent magazines. As for the gun - great ergonomics and love 'em or hate 'em trapezoidal sights. It is one of only two pieces of "tactical Tupperware" that I own. Make sure that you get the newest version - it has a pin through the slide under the rear sight. They also had some extractor problems, but I would hope that has been solved by now. I had to change mine - Steyr just sent me a new extractor and the gun ran flawlessly after installation. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites