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1 hour ago, SIGMan Freud said:

The problem is, it's not a closed system. The local PD knows when I buy a pistol, but they don't know when I sell it.

It's not closed as far as entry. Your local PD couldn't know if you inherited a firearm and they couldn't know what you might have brought here if you moved here from another state.

I have my doubts that any NJ state database could be accurate.

People move, die and even sell guns occasionally.

They're not -- IMO -- going house-to-house searching for >10 round magazines, but it will make it a whole lot harder for your lawyer to defend you against whatever lead them to find the >10 round magazine.

How mush does a safe deposit box rent for in PA? $100/year?

Cheaper than a lawyer.

We're in the same boat as California and New York. Over 20% of the US population now. (It's getting to be a pretty big boat.)

 

 

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There is no grandfathering.  There is no registration exemption.   Any prior language that anybody read about registering dealt with the possibility that if a firearm existed that has a magazine attatxhed to it that held more than ten and the only way to make it 10 would make the firearm inoperable you could keep it if you registered it.   

Start thinking about ways you will make your mags be ten rounds and appear permanent.   Great side gig for cash whomever perfects it.  

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8 hours ago, Barms said:

There is no grandfathering.  There is no registration exemption.   Any prior language that anybody read about registering dealt with the possibility that if a firearm existed that has a magazine attatxhed to it that held more than ten and the only way to make it 10 would make the firearm inoperable you could keep it if you registered it.   

Start thinking about ways you will make your mags be ten rounds and appear permanent.   Great side gig for cash whomever perfects it.  

Only appearing permanent will get you arrested, maybe, or maybe not.

Is it really worth losing your rights forever, by appearances of compliance....?

Do you want to be the guy or gal modifying magazine that appear but are not permanent when someone gets jammed up and you get pulled into their circus?

Everyone will do what they think it right for them, and you can resist, but be smart about it. Think about it.

Going to the range.....have a ten round magazine......

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Moose11872 said:

May be a little off topic but I just read this on facebook.....
 

 


So.....legal mags are being made illegal and illegal drugs are being made legal?

WTF!

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Yes, that's all part of their agenda. Lawful firearms owners are independent minded free thinkers. People stoned out of their minds on weed aren't. As a politician trying to enslave the population which group would be a greater threat to your plan?

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55 minutes ago, USRifle30Cal said:

Only appearing permanent will get you arrested, maybe, or maybe not.

Is it really worth losing your rights forever, by appearances of compliance....?

Do you want to be the guy or gal modifying magazine that appear but are not permanent when someone gets jammed up and you get pulled into their circus?

Everyone will do what they think it right for them, and you can resist, but be smart about it. Think about it.

Going to the range.....have a ten round magazine......

 

 

 

If one has the skills that you can learn in High School shop class, no modifications are permanent.

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16 hours ago, Barms said:

 

Start thinking about ways you will make your mags be ten rounds and appear permanent.   Great side gig for cash whomever perfects it.  

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$150 for 10 - 10 round pmags is way cheaper than $5,000 for free mags and a lawyer. Sometimes saving a few bucks isn't worth it.

There are tons of 10-round pistol mags around from the 1994-2004 Clinton AWB years. 80% of the country doesn't want the things, even if they came with the gun when it was brand new.

eBay and GB are probably good sources for cheap 10-round pistol mags.

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25 minutes ago, Bob2222 said:

There are tons of 10-round pistol mags around from the 1994-2004 Clinton AWB years. 80% of the country doesn't want the things, even if they came with the gun when it was brand new.

eBay and GB are probably good sources for cheap 10-round pistol mags.

I bought some 10rd Mecgar mags for my P95 a few months ago as they were on sale and stupidly cheap.

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On 6/9/2018 at 3:41 PM, voyager9 said:

If I had any firearms it would appear mags for them could be roughly $45 each new. Ouch. 

In the case of any firearm that you might or might not own, are Magblocks available? I was kinda surprised to see that they are available for everything that I might or might not own.

http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits/pistols.html

The downsides of the Magblock seem to be that the magazine would be impossible to take apart and clean once the floorplate is epoxied into place, and the magazine limiter could interfere with the operation of the follower. (The upside is that they cost $5.50-$6 or so.)

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In the case of any firearm that you might or might not own, are Magblocks available? I was kinda surprised to see that they are available for everything that I might or might not own.
http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits/pistols.html
The downsides of the Magblock seem to be that the magazine would be impossible to take apart and clean once the floorplate is epoxied into place, and the magazine limiter could interfere with the operation of the follower. (The upside is that they cost $5.50-$6 or so.)
Doesnt seem like a bad price but we shouldnt have to spend a dime since we didnt break any laws!

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1 hour ago, Bob2222 said:

The downsides of the Magblock seem to be that the magazine would be impossible to take apart and clean once the floorplate is epoxied into place, and the magazine limiter could interfere with the operation of the follower.

I've seen that with some magblocks. They can catch on the spring, which doesn't allow it to compress correctly, and there could be a need to take it apart to adjust it.

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29 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

I've seen that with some magblocks. They can catch on the spring, which doesn't allow it to compress correctly, and there could be a need to take it apart to adjust it.

All the more reason to wait until the 180th day to epoxy the mag closed.

Make the necessary adjustments prior to sealing it up for good.

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34 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said:

All the more reason to wait until the 180th day to epoxy the mag closed.

Make the necessary adjustments prior to sealing it up for good.

I was just thinking the same thing, you would have 180 days to see what works best.

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On 6/8/2018 at 2:44 PM, rtquig said:

Worrying about magazine capacity will be a moot point next year or later this year when they push to ban semi-automatic firearms.

Yes, check out this doozy in DE. I thought that state was still ok with the 2nd Amendment. Looks like Democraps everywhere are taught that guns are evil no matter who owns them.........

 

http://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail?legislationId=26410

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Here is the roll call. I will personally ask Sam Thompson why he didn't vote, as well as the other Republicans. Not that it would have helped, but still, we need all the help we can get! Democraps disgust me.

 

https://legiscan.com/NJ/rollcall/A2761/id/760791

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5 hours ago, Bob2222 said:

In the case of any firearm that you might or might not own, are Magblocks available? I was kinda surprised to see that they are available for everything that I might or might not own.

http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits/pistols.html

The downsides of the Magblock seem to be that the magazine would be impossible to take apart and clean once the floorplate is epoxied into place, and the magazine limiter could interfere with the operation of the follower. (The upside is that they cost $5.50-$6 or so.)

I picked up a few to try. Worked great in my XDM-Competition45, not so well in my ppq45 - jammed up the mag. It is just another option, but as you note, wouldn't be able to clean or replace springs if epoxied...The AR-pmags are pretty cheep so I'm just buying new...Not buying anything else though until month 6 starts and if there is  no "stay".

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10 minutes ago, Combat Auto said:

I picked up a few to try. Worked great in my XDM-Competition45, not so well in my ppq45 - jammed up the mag. It is just another option, but as you note, wouldn't be able to clean or replace springs if epoxied...The AR-pmags are pretty cheep so I'm just buying new...Not buying anything else though until month 6 starts and if there is  no "stay".

XDM-45

PPQ45

AR-15

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17 minutes ago, PK90 said:

Yep, I already got one each 10R xdm, ppq45, and p-mag, to hold me over, but thanks for posting. What I can't find are the 10R PPQ-M2-(9mm) versions, everyone is out now for some months already.

I am going to apply for a grandfathering wavier for the 9MM-PPQ if I can't get any soon, WTH, worse they can do is deny it.

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3 hours ago, M4BGRINGO said:

Yes, check out this doozy in DE. I thought that state was still ok with the 2nd Amendment. Looks like Democraps everywhere are taught that guns are evil no matter who owns them.........

 

http://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail?legislationId=26410

Delaware assault weapons ban fails to get past Senate committee ->

https://whyy.org/articles/delaware-assault-weapons-ban-fails-to-get-past-senate-committee/

(That bill sounds more like a rant than an actual law, too.)

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9 hours ago, M4BGRINGO said:

Here is the roll call. I will personally ask Sam Thompson why he didn't vote, as well as the other Republicans. Not that it would have helped, but still, we need all the help we can get! Democraps disgust me.

 

https://legiscan.com/NJ/rollcall/A2761/id/760791

My assumption would be that the bill was going to pass anyway, and voting against it would give a D opponent ammunition to use against them in November.

Kind of a Pick Your Battles thing.

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How many 30 round and 20 round AR modified mags are you guys carrying around now but somehow now carrying a 15 round pistol mag modified to ten is illegal?   I’m really flummoxed why modified 15 rounders was okay but modified to ten is not?

and I still can’t believe I’m hearing in places that registering allows you to keep a 15 magazine.  Or that you need to register to possess a modified ten 

it’s last page of the bill.  1[4.]5.1 (New section).   ......during this time period the owner or a semi automatic rifle or magazine shall:  a. Transfer it... b. Render it inoperable or permantly modify a large capacity magazine to accept ten rounds. Or c. surrender it 

If I felt fine possessing 4 20 round AR mags modified to 15 I feel fine possessing my 15 round pistol mags modified to ten after I hope someone here comes up with a simple way.  I’m happy to give you my money for conversion.

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29 minutes ago, Barms said:

How many 30 round and 20 round AR modified mags are you guys carrying around now but somehow now carrying a 15 round pistol mag modified to ten is illegal?   I’m really flummoxed why modified 15 rounders was okay but modified to ten is not?

and I still can’t believe I’m hearing in places that registering allows you to keep a 15 magazine.  Or that you need to register to possess a modified ten 

it’s last page of the bill.  1[4.]5.1 (New section).   ......during this time period the owner or a semi automatic rifle or magazine shall:  a. Transfer it... b. Render it inoperable or permantly modify a large capacity magazine to accept ten rounds. Or c. surrender it 

If I felt fine possessing 4 20 round AR mags modified to 15 I feel fine possessing my 15 round pistol mags modified to ten after I hope someone here comes up with a simple way.  I’m happy to give you my money for conversion.

This has already been discussed and beaten to death. 

There is no magazine registration. The exception is strictly for "firearms" that have a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds that cannot be modified, then you must register the firearm. NOT the magazine. 

If you have 15 round magazines modify them to accept 10 rounds and keep them. Permanently modified is very subjective here. The bottom line is if your magazine is field tested and does not accept more than 10 rounds with no apparent way to modify them to accept more than 10 rounds then keep them you are fine.

So everyone is pissed off, so am I. But the bottom line is if just under 60% of the firearm permit holder's in NJ voted in the past election this a-hole would not be governor. Like it or not that's the math. I'm sure everyone on this forum voted, at least I hope so, so you and everyone else is wasting your breath. It's the other 40+ % of the firearm owner's you have to blame for this fiasco. 

What you should really be worried about is what this governor has up his sleeve next. He plans to make NJ it's own socialist country and to hell with federal laws. He has already proven that. 

The best everyone can do is keep contributing to the organizations that will sue. 

I suggest that we petition the "free" towns in this state and have their police chief's declare their towns "Safe Havens" for legal firearm owners and have them refuse to enforce the magazine laws. Let's see him argue that the towns are acting illegally when he is doing the same sh*t with federal laws.

 

 

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