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Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it. 

If I have a FL CCW, does this mean that I need to have a carry permit in NJ to be protected under FOPA? Where he or she may lawfully possess AND carry is a bit confusing and I have read that it only applies if you have a ccw from point of origin to your destination.

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No, as you may legally possess and carry your firearm in your home (and other exempt locations) in the Socialist People's Republic of New Jermany.

Now to Hijack your thread.  What, if any, issues are there transport large quantities of guns and ammo from NJ to FL during a household move?

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You don’t need a carry permit anywhere for FOPA protection. Transporting firearms from one residence to another has nothing to do with carry, moreover if you aren’t retired law enforcement you aren’t get a NJ carry permit.  However, be mindful when crossing through Maryland they claim ignorance quite often of federal law.  Make sure you follow the storage requirements to be protected. 

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STAY OUT OF DC.  Spend as little time in MD as possible.  Consider using I-81 for traveling thru MD to FL (only 12 miles).  You will probably cover more  ground in less time, no I-95 traffic. NJ to Richmond, VA sucks.

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STAY OUT OF DC.  Spend as little time in MD as possible.  Consider using I-81 for traveling thru MD to FL (only 12 miles).  You will probably cover more  ground in less time, no I-95 traffic. NJ to Richmond, VA sucks.

 

What is the concern about MD if guns are cases in the Trunk?

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They extensively data mine other state's databases they are allowed into.  Use that info to jam up people traveling through state.  They do not give a RA about FOPA.  Your in my state with possibly contraband, bend over while I check it out!  Outtastaters easy marks for glory medals.

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They extensively data mine other state's databases they are allowed into.  Use that info to jam up people traveling through state.  They do not give a RA about FOPA.  Your in my state with possibly contraband, bend over while I check it out!  Outtastaters easy marks for glory medals.


What are you not supposed to have in MD that would be legal in NJ?

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On 4/16/2018 at 0:38 PM, Jravv1 said:

Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it. 

If I have a FL CCW, does this mean that I need to have a carry permit in NJ to be protected under FOPA? Where he or she may lawfully possess AND carry is a bit confusing and I have read that it only applies if you have a ccw from point of origin to your destination.

To summarize what others have said, here (since I've done this)...

1)  It is not necessary to have a NJ CCW to transport weapons in your car under FOPA rules. As long as you encase them and store them per those rules, you should be fine.

2) I concur with the I-81 route as mentioned above. It's what I've used all the time and it's a nice, scenic travel route throughout the Shenandoah valley in VA.  If you live in/near Hunterdon County, it's the route to take. 

         a)  I-78W  all the way out in PA to I-81 south

         b)  I-81 S all the way through PA, MD, WVa, and VA.  The travel time through MD is only 10 minutes and 12 miles.

         c)  I-77 S (from I-81 S),  all the way through VA, NC, and SC (Columbia), to I-26 E.

         d)  I-26 E  to I-95 South.  Continue as you would if you had gone all the way down I-95.

3)  The point of all the above (and the warnings about MD, etc), is to avoid the "Harbor Tunnels" at all costs!  That is where the MTAP use those ALPR cameras and and all that data mined by the MCAC.    If you got your FL CWFL some time ago (maybe 6-10 years ago), it is possible that MCAC has that information.  If one of the Harbor tunnel patrols scans your plate and it flags you as a CCW holder, they *will* attempt to stop you and search your car for weapons.  Refer to the case of Mr. John Fillipidis.

4)  If you must travel down I-95 (i.e. you are closer to the Del. Memorial Bridge than I-81), you can take the US-301 alternate route down the Eastern Shore of MD and across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. That will take you across US-301/50 to the Capital Beltway and on to I-95 beyond Washington DC. you don't have to touch DC.. And yes, STAY OUT OF DC WITH ANY WEAPONS! To take the US -301 route:

            a)   Find your way to I-95 (Del. Turnpike) however you get to it (either I-495 or Del. Memorial Bridge).

            b)  Take Del Tpk to Del route 1. in Christina.  You'll pass right by the Cabela's in the Christina Mall.

             c)  Take Del 1 south All the way to Del-896 (Boyd's Corner Road). 

             d)   DL-896 (Boyd's Corner Road) West to US-301 South.  Follow US 301-south all the way down to Bay Bridge.

             e)  Continue US-301 S / 50 West to the Capital Beltway and then go south to I-95. 

 

Good Luck!

 

 

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On 4/19/2018 at 9:29 PM, HBecwithFn7 said:

3)  The point of all the above (and the warnings about MD, etc), is to avoid the "Harbor Tunnels" at all costs!  That is where the MTAP use those ALPR cameras and and all that data mined by the MCAC.    If you got your FL CWFL some time ago (maybe 6-10 years ago), it is possible that MCAC has that information.  If one of the Harbor tunnel patrols scans your plate and it flags you as a CCW holder, they *will* attempt to stop you and search your car for weapons.  Refer to the case of Mr. John Fillipidis.

4)  If you must travel down I-95 (i.e. you are closer to the Del. Memorial Bridge than I-81), you can take the US-301 alternate route down the Eastern Shore of MD and across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. That will take you across US-301/50 to the Capital Beltway and on to I-95 beyond Washington DC. you don't have to touch DC.. And yes, STAY OUT OF DC WITH ANY WEAPONS! To take the US -301 route:

            a)   Find your way to I-95 (Del. Turnpike) however you get to it (either I-495 or Del. Memorial Bridge).

            b)  Take Del Tpk to Del route 1. in Christina.  You'll pass right by the Cabela's in the Christina Mall.

             c)  Take Del 1 south All the way to Del-896 (Boyd's Corner Road). 

             d)   DL-896 (Boyd's Corner Road) West to US-301 South.  Follow US 301-south all the way down to Bay Bridge.

             e)  Continue US-301 S / 50 West to the Capital Beltway and then go south to I-95. 

 

Good Luck!

 

 

I am going to be making this drive next month.  How about 695 around Baltimore, or is there a tunnel on that route too?

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31 minutes ago, tomk62 said:

I am going to be making this drive next month.  How about 695 around Baltimore, or is there a tunnel on that route too?

Well, the I-695 bypass avoids both the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel and the Ft. McHenry Tunnel. However, you do have to cross the Francis Scott Key Bridge that is south of both tunnels and has a longer span.  Now, I don't know if the MTAP has the same emphasis on the bridge as they do the tunnels.  Probably not, because the point of all that scrutiny at the tunnels is that they are a much harder asset to replace, should they ever be "blown up" by either accident or a terrorist incident.  Any incident is bad, but a bridge would be a bit easier and less costly (both in time and $$$) to replace. That said, I do note that MD Transport Authority  does have a HQ building right at the bridge crossing (north side), so the MTAP might throw a few patrols and ALPR cameras there just for "show." 

Is there something you absolutely need to do in that part of Baltimore/MD, or  are you going on to DC or VA?  Because, if you can, I strongly recommend you take the alternate route I mention above. Once you arrive in Del, (from either the Del. Memorial Bridge or from I-495), Get on I-95 (Del. Tpk. for maybe 1-2 miles) and then on to Del. Route 1.  Follow it all the way down to Del. 896 (Boyd's Corner Rd) and then take that Wesbound to US-301 South. It will allow you to Cross via the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and through Annapolis. You'll then continue on US-301/50 (which turns into US-50) and will dump you onto the Captial Beltway. From there, you can head down to VA or elsewhere in MD. You can even Take US-50 all the way to DC if that's where you're going (It becomes New York Ave and goes right by the Natl. Arboretum).  But take great care in DC. I would never have any inventory in DC, and I would sanitize my car to ensure that there is not one piece of spent brass in the car, as possession of even spent brass is illegal in DC.

 

 

 

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Thanks!

I am headed to SC, so no need to go by Baltimore it just looked faster.  I will absolutely take the route on 301 you recommend.  No need to be in DC either so I will skirt right on by on the 495 beltway then ultimately to 95 south and freedom ...

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9 minutes ago, tomk62 said:

Thanks!

I am headed to SC, so no need to go by Baltimore it just looked faster.  I will absolutely take the route on 301 you recommend.  No need to be in DC either so I will skirt right on by on the 495 beltway then ultimately to 95 south and freedom ...

Where in SC?  If you can get to I-78W, then I recommend the original I-81/I-77 route. It's actually only 40 miles longer in terms of distance, and it will dump you onto I-95 right parallel to Charleston.  You can also use it if your SC destination is near Columbia or Fort Jackson, etc.  But if it's "Florence, SC" or thereabouts (Dillon, etc), then yeah, take the US-301 route, as mentioned.

 

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On 4/19/2018 at 8:47 PM, Howard said:

 


What are you not supposed to have in MD that would be legal in NJ?

 

IANAL...but under FOPA it makes no difference if it's legal or not in MD as long as you are just going through MD.  Under FOPA, the guns have to be legal at the start and finish of your journey.  The state laws of the states you transit have no impact as long as you're transporting IAW FOPA.

Being cautious to me would don't stay overnight in a state where your guns might be illegal.  Where you do stay overnight I suggest taking your guns into your room if possible.  Better that than finding them stolen from your vehicle.  When I'm travelling I Google crime rates of towns I intend to spend the night.  That has changed my mind on where to get a hotel more than once.

Stopping for food, gas, or restrooms are incident to your travel.  They have nothing to do with final destinations. 

Frankly, avoiding transit of MD, DC, NY, and other gun unfriendly states is a bit paranoid to me.  How do you get to VT or NH without transiting a bit of NY?  Yes there are a few horror stories.  When you consider the millions of guns that transit these states a year the horror stories are a very, very small percentage.  The odds of getting through one of these states without incident are way in your favor.

JMO

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26 minutes ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

Where in SC?  If you can get to I-78W, then I recommend the original I-81/I-77 route. It's actually only 40 miles longer in terms of distance, and it will dump you onto I-95 right parallel to Charleston.  You can also use it if your SC destination is near Columbia or Fort Jackson, etc.  But if it's "Florence, SC" or thereabouts (Dillon, etc), then yeah, take the US-301 route, as mentioned.

 

Charleston.  For me though it looks like that route will take almost 2 more hours and another 100 miles.

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On 4/19/2018 at 8:47 PM, Howard said:

What are you not supposed to have in MD that would be legal in NJ?

I don't think that's the issue.  I think it's more the "ready/willing/ableness" of the MTAP to stop people and ransack their cars looking for weapons, explosives, etc. that probably aren't even there.  All justified by the need to protect the tunnels from any explosive activity.  In NJ, I don't believe the NJSP has access to FPID data in their vehicles and most probably don't have an ALPR camera that can id the plate and look that stuff up quickly. The MTAP does have those resources at their fingertips. And they like to use it! 

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1 minute ago, tomk62 said:

Charleston.  For me though it looks like that route will take almost 2 more hours and another 100 miles.

Fair enough.  From where I lived in NJ, it was only 40 miles longer,  But, as mentioned above, you might also want to consider the traffic you'll encounter on I-95 going all the way down. Depending on dates/times of travel, taking that extra 2 hours/100 miles might actually save you time by avoiding all the I-95 traffic, the crazy drivers, the perpetual construction in VA just south of DC, rush hour delays on the Cap. Beltway,  etc. etc. etc. Now, that said, you do get a lot of line haul trucks on the I-81/i-77 route, and there's a reason for that. They know it's a much better route than I-95.  It's also a much more scenic and pleasant route to travel. You're right in the middle of the Shenandoah valley in VA and it's gorgeous.  As you head towards the VA-NC border, you'll be up on some mountainous areas where you'll be going down the back ends of those mountains as your cross the state line. THe views of the valley from those mountains are spectacular. So much so, that they're a distraction from driving. You have to really keep focused on the driving as you come down those mountain slopes. If you're traveling with someone, get them to shoot pictures/video of it. :D  The only traffic issues on that route, really, is when you reach Charlotte, NC (about maybe 1hr prior to reaching downtown, which you'll pass right by on I-77). Another 5-10 miles thereafter and you will cross the state line into SC, and there will be a brand spanking new Cabela's waiting for you right on the state line. You can see it from I-77. :D

 

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19 minutes ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

I don't think that's the issue.  I think it's more the "ready/willing/ableness" of the MTAP to stop people and ransack their cars looking for weapons, explosives, etc. that probably aren't even there.  All justified by the need to protect the tunnels from any explosive activity.  In NJ, I don't believe the NJSP has access to FPID data in their vehicles and most probably don't have an ALPR camera that can id the plate and look that stuff up quickly. The MTAP does have those resources at their fingertips. And they like to use it! 

Okay, how many negative incidents do we know about?

PAPD has the same responsibility in NY/NJ.

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9 minutes ago, GRIZ said:

Okay, how many negative incidents do we know about?

Of course, the one very public incident we know about is Mr. Fillipidis.  But one is enough, I think, to make anyone take reasonable precautions or plan alternate routes. I mean, why take the route if you do have alternatives?  If you have no alternatives and you must take the route then, of course, take it and be very careful.  But if it's not a big deal to go a different way, then why even entertain the possibility of an incident?

And does PAPD  have ALPR cameras and access to CCW databases?

 

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5 minutes ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

Of course, the one very public incident we know about is Mr. Fillipidis.  But one is enough, I think, to make anyone take reasonable precautions or plan alternate routes. I mean, why take the route if you do have alternatives?  If you have no alternatives and you must take the route then, of course, take it and be very careful.  But if it's not a big deal to go a different way, then why even entertain the possibility of an incident?

And does PAPD  have ALPR cameras and access to CCW databases?

 

One bad incident out of millions doesn't seem like bad odds to me.  I outlined reasonable precautions in my prior post.

Don't know what PAPD has.  I've seen them pulling over people at all the NY crossings.  The only way I know to access CCW database in NJ is with a SBI number.  That can be accessed other ways.

@BlueLineFish probably knows what they have.

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5 minutes ago, GRIZ said:

One bad incident out of millions doesn't seem like bad odds to me.  I outlined reasonable precautions in my prior post.

Don't know what PAPD has.  I've seen them pulling over people at all the NY crossings.  The only way I know to access CCW database in NJ is with a SBI number.  That can be accessed other ways.

@BlueLineFish probably knows what they have.

Well, as stated, that's the "one we know about..."   We don't know about the others....But even so, If I have alternatives, why not take them if I can? 

I don't have any problems with an LEA that stops people at a tunnel entrance if they believe the vehicle might be carrying suspect cargo or prohibited items (explosives, etc.). I want them to protect the tunnels. I have family that travel through them all the time. However, I don't believe conventional firearms or ammo, transported FOPA style should be considered "prohibited" (bulk "black powder" might be questionable, but...).  But it seems the MTAP stopped Mr. Fillipidis for that reason only, and that's unacceptable.

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7 hours ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

Well, as stated, that's the "one we know about..."   We don't know about the others....But even so, If I have alternatives, why not take them if I can? 

I don't have any problems with an LEA that stops people at a tunnel entrance if they believe the vehicle might be carrying suspect cargo or prohibited items (explosives, etc.). I want them to protect the tunnels. I have family that travel through them all the time. However, I don't believe conventional firearms or ammo, transported FOPA style should be considered "prohibited" (bulk "black powder" might be questionable, but...).  But it seems the MTAP stopped Mr. Fillipidis for that reason only, and that's unacceptable.

That's one incident.

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I recently made the move from NJ to FL and can tell you the drive taking 78 to 81 to 77 is so much better than taking 95 all the way.  Once we got west of Allentown the drivers were all wonderful, everyone drove right and passed left and people moved out of the right lane as cars entered the road.  Then, we linked up with 95 in South Carolina and everything changed.  Once there we had cars with NY, NJ and CT plates and for the most part they were all assholes.  They drove slow in the left lane and weaved in and out all over the road passing people.  Sure glad we avoided them most of the trip.

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Update. After I posted on here I did some more research and on the Capital Police and MTAP page they acknowledge transporting through under Fopa. I also read into the two cases that happened in MD where the FL resident with a CCW was pulled over and his vehicle searched cause his wife said that the husband had a gun. The other guy with the pickup had his gun and ammo in the same bag. 

So, I did the 81 through Pa, MD, WV, VA, TN, GA, La and FL. Spent the night in TN. Gun locked in a case on the farthest side of the rear, no trunk, and the ammo also locked in a smaller box on the opposite side of my pistol. 2 nights in Destin then to the east coast of FL. On the way up we decided to stop in Va for the night. Came up on 95, took 301 just to be on the safe side and over the Chesapeake Bay and back on 301 to avoid Baltimore. 

Then you enter NJ and you start getting aholes sleeping on the left lane. You keep heading north and you start seeing smoke stacks, refineries, air planes every 2 minutes and it hits you. Back to bs. 

81 route no tolls. Save for half a tank of fuel. Get ready to count crosses. Lol. 

 

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Made the drive down on Friday, took the 301 route with no incident, nice drive very scenic.  Got my SC DL yesterday, signed up for the SC CCW class in September. [emoji4]


Its BS that they still require that class and dont recognize Florida Non Resident. They got rid of the one senator who kept blocking the bills for Constitutional Carry now another one is doing the same. They will get rid of him next.


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IANAL...but under FOPA it makes no difference if it's legal or not in MD as long as you are just going through MD.  Under FOPA, the guns have to be legal at the start and finish of your journey.  The state laws of the states you transit have no impact as long as you're transporting IAW FOPA.
Being cautious to me would don't stay overnight in a state where your guns might be illegal.  Where you do stay overnight I suggest taking your guns into your room if possible.  Better that than finding them stolen from your vehicle.  When I'm travelling I Google crime rates of towns I intend to spend the night.  That has changed my mind on where to get a hotel more than once.
Stopping for food, gas, or restrooms are incident to your travel.  They have nothing to do with final destinations. 
Frankly, avoiding transit of MD, DC, NY, and other gun unfriendly states is a bit paranoid to me.  How do you get to VT or NH without transiting a bit of NY?  Yes there are a few horror stories.  When you consider the millions of guns that transit these states a year the horror stories are a very, very small percentage.  The odds of getting through one of these states without incident are way in your favor.
JMO


Courts have ruled taking firearms into your room is not covered under FOPA. Leave them in the car and get Eastern Insurance. Guy in upstate NY brought firearms into run while traveling to Maine and forgot one. He was looking at a long prison sentence. Good advice is fuel up, go to the bathroom, and don't stop in NJ, NY, MD, and other Communist States.


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