MartyZ 692 Posted May 8, 2018 Anyone see this new muzzle brake from VG6? https://aeroprecisionusa.com/vg6-epsilon-556sl.html First faxon now VG6, looks like many companies are now getting onto the slim muzzle brake band wagon. It's a brave new world for all us AR builders stuck in a "Pin & Weld" state. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 8, 2018 It's kinda hard to get excited about a muzzle break. I use the BCM Mod 0 and it is fine. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted May 8, 2018 Ray, a muzzle device that you can slide a gas block over is nice in a state where everything has to be pinned and welded. Opens up a lot of options to upgrade or modify as new stuff becomes available. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Ray Ray said: It's kinda hard to get excited about a muzzle break. I use the BCM Mod 0 and it is fine. It's not about getting excited about a MB, it's about the industry catching up to customer demands. I know these were specifically designed for 14.5" barrels to comply with NFA, but it also helps us out as well even if indirectly. So my plan for a future build was to get a 2 piece gas block, I will no longer have to worry about that and get a standard lopro gas block. And if I ever want to change handguards, that will no longer be an issue either. I am actually now considering replacing all my MBs, when the prices for these go down a bit of course. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, MartyZ said: It's not about getting excited about a MB, it's about the industry catching up to customer demands. I know these were specifically designed for 14.5" barrels to comply with NFA, but it also helps us out as well even if indirectly. That is key, making a 14.5 legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted May 8, 2018 Id be interested to see how it performs. Im concerned that with a reduced chamber volume the effectiveness will suffer. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted May 8, 2018 I like it - looks similar to the A1 3 Prong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,715 Posted May 8, 2018 With those wings in the front of the brake , It may also be considered a flash hider. I like the gamma 556. To bad they didn't make in the gamma line. http://www.vg6precision.com/muzzle-devices/18-epsilon-556.html 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted May 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, silverado427 said: With those wings in the front of the brake , It may also be considered a flash hider. I like the gamma 556. To bad they didn't make in the gamma line. http://www.vg6precision.com/muzzle-devices/18-epsilon-556.html according to the manufacturer, it is a muzzle brake. Isn't that what NJSP uses as reference? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Shane45 said: Id be interested to see how it performs. Im concerned that with a reduced chamber volume the effectiveness will suffer. Smaller ID to keep wall thickness for a smaller OD? 50 minutes ago, MartyZ said: according to the manufacturer, it is a muzzle brake. Isn't that what NJSP uses as reference? Correct Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,715 Posted May 8, 2018 I'm not debating this but. They have the same tip and one is considered a flash hider. The one on the top is the slim brake The chamber is different. The one on the bottom is a standard vg6 epsilon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted May 9, 2018 23 hours ago, High Exposure said: Ray, a muzzle device that you can slide a gas block over is nice in a state where everything has to be pinned and welded. Opens up a lot of options to upgrade or modify as new stuff becomes available. That is always helpful! I hate cutting off a perfectly good brake to swap out a gas black or convert to a free float. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted May 9, 2018 16 hours ago, silverado427 said: I'm not debating this but. They have the same tip and one is considered a flash hider. The one on the top is the slim brake The chamber is different. The one on the bottom is a standard vg6 epsilon. Comes down to what the manufacture claims... If they claim its a muzzle brake then it is.... Sometimes manufactures need to be tight lipped and not try to fill descriptions to enhance the products appeal... it would he very helpful in ban states. Ie Dont advertise Flash suppression. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 10, 2018 http://www.vg6precision.com/muzzle-devices/88-epsilon-556sl.html EPSILON 556SL High Performance Muzzle Brake Flash Suppressing Type NOTE: The EPSILON 556SL cannot be shipped to the State of California due to new legislation. This is considered a flash hider. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,715 Posted May 10, 2018 6 hours ago, vladtepes said: http://www.vg6precision.com/muzzle-devices/88-epsilon-556sl.html EPSILON 556SL High Performance Muzzle Brake Flash Suppressing Type NOTE: The EPSILON 556SL cannot be shipped to the State of California due to new legislation. This is considered a flash hider. Thank You Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, silverado427 said: Thank You of the devices I have looked at... anything with prongs like that.. is more than likely going to be a hider.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 10, 2018 Do you honestly believe anyone will know the difference between ANY muzzle device? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted May 10, 2018 7 hours ago, vladtepes said: http://www.vg6precision.com/muzzle-devices/88-epsilon-556sl.html EPSILON 556SL High Performance Muzzle Brake Flash Suppressing Type NOTE: The EPSILON 556SL cannot be shipped to the State of California due to new legislation. This is considered a flash hider. Looks like the manufacturer is confused and causing the confusion. In one place they say MB, in another place they say FH. The Lantac Dragon has the prongs and it is a MB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, MartyZ said: Looks like the manufacturer is confused and causing the confusion. In one place they say MB, in another place they say FH. The Lantac Dragon has the prongs and it is a MB. Could be a FH by California's definition of the law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 11, 2018 13 hours ago, MartyZ said: Looks like the manufacturer is confused and causing the confusion. In one place they say MB, in another place they say FH. The Lantac Dragon has the prongs and it is a MB. the link I posted is the actual manufacturer.. if its a FH by Cali standard.. if the manufacturer calls it a flash hider.. it is not something I would personally take the chance on.. but I am no longer in NJ so it makes no difference to me.. LOL 13 hours ago, Ray Ray said: Do you honestly believe anyone will know the difference between ANY muzzle device? I don't think so at all.. what I do know is I would prefer not to even be in the position to argue it.. 13 hours ago, MartyZ said: The Lantac Dragon has the prongs and it is a MB. barely.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted May 11, 2018 I like how it goes through 2 large side cut chambers BEFORE it would hit what causes it to be considered a flash hider. You know... cuz all the burning powder and gas wont exit those openings and continue to the hider. lol. I hate to say it, but a lot of manufacturers seem to like to use buzzwords to make their product seem like more than it is in hopes it tickles a broader group of potential buyers fancies. Everything seems to be a "flash hiding muzzle brake" or something of the like, even though its essentially just a FH or brake. That's fine for most states, but that screws us here in NJ, cuz all a prosecutor needs to do in court is point to a printed ad calling it a flash hider. Would it ever come to that? Probably not. But I'm not risking my job, rights, and literal freedom on probably. Just label it what it is designed to do more: be a muzzle brake or flash hider. Went on a little rant there, sorry. lol and yes, I'm aware there are flash hiders that are cut to also aid in being a muzzle brake, this (imo) isn't one of them, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 11, 2018 7 hours ago, vladtepes said: I don't think so at all.. what I do know is I would prefer not to even be in the position to argue it. You could find arguement with ANY muzzle device, so why appease them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted May 11, 2018 looks like the Faxon slim MB can't be mistaken for a FH, and you can buy one of ther 14.5" barrels with it already pinned and welded. http://faxonfirearms.com/620-slim-3-port-muzzle-brake-steel-qpq-nitride/ http://faxonfirearms.com/14-5-pencil-w-slim-3-port-brake-5-56-4150-nitride/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted October 1, 2018 Here is another one, 3 chamber brake, no prongs. I am definitely liking the trend https://www.opticsplanet.com/yankee-hill-machine-yhm-low-profile-muzzle-brake-5-56mm-for-1-2x28-threads.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted October 1, 2018 YHM makes good quality stuff... but I bet it's gonna be Blasty. That design is basically a "blow everything to the sides" type design... just like the JP Cooley, Miculek brake, and others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, MartyZ said: Here is another one, 3 chamber brake, no prongs. I am definitely liking the trend https://www.opticsplanet.com/yankee-hill-machine-yhm-low-profile-muzzle-brake-5-56mm-for-1-2x28-threads.html that needs to be a $19 brake, not a near $42 one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted October 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, sota said: that needs to be a $19 brake, not a near $42 one. I agree, but price should go down once other companies get on the band wagon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted October 2, 2018 I have to ask, how often do you need to change the gas block? I thought it and the barrel pretty much wear out at the same time. I know ARs are pretty much considered adult Legos, but do people REALLY swap around things like muzzle brakes and gas blocks and barrels many times? I mean, stripped uppers and lowers don't cost that much these days, and if you're going to run multiple calibers on a single lower you'd probably keep 'em mated to a specific upper and tag it somehow so you don't try and drive a square peg (300BLK) into a round hole (.223/5.56). Honestly, what am I missing? Educate me, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted October 2, 2018 10 hours ago, sota said: I have to ask, how often do you need to change the gas block? I thought it and the barrel pretty much wear out at the same time. I know ARs are pretty much considered adult Legos, but do people REALLY swap around things like muzzle brakes and gas blocks and barrels many times? I mean, stripped uppers and lowers don't cost that much these days, and if you're going to run multiple calibers on a single lower you'd probably keep 'em mated to a specific upper and tag it somehow so you don't try and drive a square peg (300BLK) into a round hole (.223/5.56). Honestly, what am I missing? Educate me, please. Very simple example, right now I want to change my hanguard to a 17" strike rail on my 20" barrel, and I can't. My best option right now is to cut off my gas block and put on a 2 piece gas block, or the new yhm hinged gb. So that for me is extra work and extra money down the drain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shocker 150 Posted October 2, 2018 Apex has had this on the market for a while, I think its made to have a .750 gas block clear. 2.6" long tho!!! https://www.midwayusa.com/product/125149/apex-tactical-enhanced-stabilization-attachment-muzzle-brake-ar-15-1-2-28-thread-steel-matte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites