PK90 3,569 Posted August 13, 2019 @Ray Ray I will not comply. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SJG said: If you are going to build your own please don't post that fact on a public forum. You are just giving the state the finger even if what you end up building is technically legal. It is shit like this that will invite attention and encourage legislation . You will ruin it for the rest of us. Why? because legislators will conclude that they cannot control the non-NFA category, especially if one is confiscated and/or ends up slightly different from the mold. You can bet your ass that the State knows who the licensed manufacturers are. You are just drawing attention to yourself. Is it really any different than people building their own normal ARs instead of purchasing complete rifles from manufacturers? Its the same middle finger, just a bit shorter. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SJG said: If you are going to build your own please don't post that fact on a public forum. You are just giving the state the finger even if what you end up building is technically legal. It is shit like this that will invite attention and encourage legislation . You will ruin it for the rest of us. Why? because legislators will conclude that they cannot control the non-NFA category, especially if one is confiscated and/or ends up slightly different from the mold. You can bet your ass that the State knows who the licensed manufacturers are. You are just drawing attention to yourself. Really? Pretty sure the fact these things even exist in this state is enough.... hardly doubt the fact one can be assembled from a transferrable receiver would push them over that edge. The fact is, the state wants these registered through their NICS system... thats it. The fact is, they are legal to build... as outlined in their own letters, no such law states they cannot. The fact is, they outline the legal definition of substantially identical to include anything the resembles by law the firearms given the green light. THE FACT IS, once you build a substantially identical "firearm" it makes zero difference if it was built from a receiver or purchased... A complete home built firearm... is NO DIFFERENT than a MM Firearm. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 13, 2019 Why don't you be the test case Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted August 13, 2019 There's another thread where people have already started posting their builds. Maybe they can check in over here so we can see they arent in jail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, SJG said: Why don't you be the test case Every single one of my AR-15 is home assembled.... Ive been a walking test case for over a decade. I've relied on the same "substantially identical" definition and its worked out just fine for me. I wouldn't own any guns if i was worried about an uniformed LEO putting me in jail for a legal firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 13, 2019 But we need you to be ours on this one. Buy the way, I agree with you on legality, if built per the specs but the test case may not if they have to go through the system Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0Jeep4 87 Posted August 13, 2019 There won’t be a “test case” because there is no laws being broken. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, SJG said: But we need you to be ours on this one. Buy the way, I agree with you on legality, if built per the specs but the test case may not if they have to go through the system We all need to look at this with a realistic approach.. Most cops don't know these things are legal... I HIGHLY doubt a piece of paper you hand them will just clear all of that up on the spot... They will take your gun... and figure out if its legal before charging you... which wont happen because... 2 minutes ago, 0Jeep4 said: There won’t be a “test case” because there is no laws being broken. Just don't be the dumbass who gets caught with parts and an AR-15. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 13, 2019 Fact is, we don't know that for sure, but feel free to volunteer Unfortunately, the question if a law is being broken or not, depends on which side of the table you are on 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, shooter28 said: There's another thread where people have already started posting their builds. Maybe they can check in over here so we can see they arent in jail. Better yet, they can take them over to the State Police firearm Unit for inspection, then we may know for sure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0Jeep4 87 Posted August 13, 2019 Listen I agree with the points being made that air on the side of caution, especially dealing with NJ, but everything that has been hashed out in these multiple threads in my opinion these are green lighted. More and more dealers are shipping them into NJ. They are good to go either built or bought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted August 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, SJG said: Fact is, we don't know that for sure, but feel free to volunteer Unfortunately, the question if a law is being broken or not, depends on which side of the table you are on 2 minutes ago, SJG said: Better yet, they can take them over to the State Police firearm Unit for inspection, then we may know for sure We are not in some grey area here. The State police already gave their opinion that the submitted "firearms" are legal, and ANYTHING substantially identical.. I have no doubts that regardless if you had a TROY MM or DS or home built, they will probably take your gun for inspection... because even those listed could be reconfigured to be illegal.. so what does that letter you hand them really do for you? All of this hinges on whether the cop thinks the gun is legal.... I had a cop give me a ticket when i moved because the DMV stopped giving out stickers for licenses, all i had was a print out from the DMV.... So just be aware theyre gonna do what ever they want regardless and let who ever figure it out later. DOES MM EVEN HAVE A LETTER? all i found is DS and TROY. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 13, 2019 Any prediction on how long the "good times" will last? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted August 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, SJG said: Any prediction on how long the "good times" will last? Looks like there is very real chance the ATF will start to reel all of this in... another bumpstock fiasco. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted August 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, SJG said: Any prediction on how long the "good times" will last? A couple weeks until the ATF declares the braces no bueno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 13, 2019 BAD News, may kill the whole thing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 13, 2019 If this becomes a "bump stock" fiasco all the "others" and SBR work arounds may be done. Interesting question as to what will happen to all the originally mfg and sold firearms with braces that are in the marketplace. Unlike bump stocks, i don't think any firearms were mfg and sold with bump stocks to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bowling Ball 22 Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SJG said: If this becomes a "bump stock" fiasco all the "others" and SBR work arounds may be done. Interesting question as to what will happen to all the originally mfg and sold firearms with braces that are in the marketplace. Unlike bump stocks, i don't think any firearms were mfg and sold with bump stocks to begin with. Nothing will happen. The fudds don't care and this ruling only affects us with too much to lose. The NRA wants nothing to do with the real fight either. They know we won't fight. The left has nothing to lose, they get paid to get into confrontations with police and create news stories. Fool the nation into thinking everybody thinks the way they do. But to get to the point, since this goes contrary to past determinations, the BATFE wil allow a 'comment period'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted August 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, Bowling Ball said: But to get to the point, since this goes contrary to past determinations, the BATFE wil allow a 'comment period'. The same way they allowed a comment period on the bump stocks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 13, 2019 This shits still floating huh.....Buy them or build them just shoot them. Get people used to seeing them. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted August 14, 2019 20 hours ago, Bowling Ball said: Wow. Never thought I'd say this, but I think the 2A was safer under Obama. I have a complete firearm on order. When either the cryptkeeper legislates or the Cheeto uses an illegal EO hopefully I can get an organization to back a lawsuit. Enough is enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everythingisnothing 10 Posted August 14, 2019 37 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said: Wow. Never thought I'd say this, but I think the 2A was safer under Obama. I have a complete firearm on order. When either the cryptkeeper legislates or the Cheeto uses an illegal EO hopefully I can get an organization to back a lawsuit. Enough is enough. I'd pump the brakes, some people on other forums dug into this post and can't find it, so they think it's either fake or he's deleted it. Supposedly he's also been saying this for years, yet here we are with braces still legal. Also, just because Obama was a failure doesn't mean he wasn't trying. Attempt to ban green tips, villainization of legal gun owners after high profile events, etc. Politicians all suck. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted August 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, everythingisnothing said: I'd pump the brakes, some people on other forums dug into this post and can't find it, so they think it's either fake or he's deleted it. Supposedly he's also been saying this for years, yet here we are with braces still legal. Also, just because Obama was a failure doesn't mean he wasn't trying. Attempt to ban green tips, villainization of legal gun owners after high profile events, etc. Politicians all suck. Agreed. Im seeing a post on Arfcom and here about this. Cant find a single news article hinting at anything about this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samtechlan 23 Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ChrisJM981 said: Wow. Never thought I'd say this, but I think the 2A was safer under Obama. I have a complete firearm on order. When either the cryptkeeper legislates or the Cheeto uses an illegal EO hopefully I can get an organization to back a lawsuit. Enough is enough. I disagree completely. At the end of the day the real fight is at the Supreme Ct and the lower Federal courts. Trump is transforming the Federal judiciary for a generation. With Obama's picks Heller would have been quickly overturned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 14, 2019 Regardless, I've started to SBR all my braced pistols. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted August 14, 2019 I have a braced one in Fl. What forms do I need to fill out to do that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, SJG said: I have a braced one in Fl. What forms do I need to fill out to do that? Form 1. Better to eFile. $200. 30 day average approval. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites