samtechlan 23 Posted August 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, PK90 said: Regardless, I've started to SBR all my braced pistols. But now you won't be able to take them across state lines without ATF approval. That sucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, samtechlan said: But now you won't be able to take them across state lines without ATF approval. That sucks. Just pull the stock off. I have no intention of taking my guns to another state. AZ is 13 times the size of NJ. Where am I going to go? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 9:51 AM, 0Jeep4 said: Listen I agree with the points being made that air on the side of caution, especially dealing with NJ, but everything that has been hashed out in these multiple threads in my opinion these are green lighted. More and more dealers are shipping them into NJ. They are good to go either built or bought. We are not really arguing over whether the guns are legal but having discussion on home builds. =) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 14, 2019 Found this flowchart on Reddit. Very informative and helpful for the undaunted. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everythingisnothing 10 Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, PK90 said: Found this flowchart on Reddit. Very informative and helpful for the undaunted. I'd be a little hesitant using an extended/VLTOR A5 tube. Isn't there a LOP limit for braces to be considered legal? Otherwise this is a great resource. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, everythingisnothing said: I'd be a little hesitant using an extended/VLTOR A5 tube. Isn't there a LOP limit for braces to be considered legal? Otherwise this is a great resource. no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, everythingisnothing said: I'd be a little hesitant using an extended/VLTOR A5 tube. Isn't there a LOP limit for braces to be considered legal? Otherwise this is a great resource. Nope. SOLGW's version comes standard with the A5 tube and 11.5" barrel. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everythingisnothing 10 Posted August 14, 2019 I seem to remember something with KAK being told 13.5" was the max. The SBA3/4 only use the first 5 positions because of this I think. But then again adding a folder (on a pistol, not non-NFA) would extend it past that number too, I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 14, 2019 I like the A5 tube. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samtechlan 23 Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, PK90 said: Just pull the stock off. I have no intention of taking my guns to another state. AZ is 13 times the size of NJ. Where am I going to go? Understood but if the sbr is your truck gun and you happen to take a side trip to Vegas... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, everythingisnothing said: I seem to remember something with KAK being told 13.5" was the max. The SBA3/4 only use the first 5 positions because of this I think. But then again adding a folder (on a pistol, not non-NFA) would extend it past that number too, I think. Here we go again.....Thats for a pistol. These are not pistols and furthermore it was never set in stone with a letter. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 14, 2019 Spoke with a mfr yesterday and this may all be trivial in the near future as ATF is really looking at braces and reclassifying to SBR, as mentioned earlier in the thread. Trying to get confirmation from a major mfr who has much closer ear to the ATF. So if you are on the fence, go buy one, shoot it, enjoy it, then STFU. =P 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maksim said: Spoke with a mfr yesterday and this may all be trivial in the near future as ATF is really looking at braces and reclassifying to SBR, as mentioned earlier in the thread. Trying to get confirmation from a major mfr who has much closer ear to the ATF. So if you are on the fence, go buy one, shoot it, enjoy it, then STFU. =P Amen but we all know that color plays a part in this as well. Do you think its ok to let some one cerakote one or do I need a Form 4? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted August 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Blacksmythe said: Amen but we all know that color plays a part in this as well. Do you think its ok to let some one cerakote one or do I need a Form 4? Ask the BATFE and then follow up with NJSP FIU. Only way to be sure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted August 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Maksim said: Spoke with a mfr yesterday and this may all be trivial in the near future as ATF is really looking at braces and reclassifying to SBR, as mentioned earlier in the thread. Trying to get confirmation from a major mfr who has much closer ear to the ATF. So if you are on the fence, go buy one, shoot it, enjoy it, then STFU. =P I believe the ATF is specifically targeting the blade type and other hard plastic/metal braces for reclassification as stocks and no longer arm braces. I think the softer SB and Sig type braces will be left alone.... for now. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 15, 2019 44 minutes ago, High Exposure said: I believe the ATF is specifically targeting the blade type and other hard plastic/metal braces for reclassification as stocks and no longer arm braces. I think the softer SB and Sig type braces will be left alone.... for now. Thanks. Hopefully. Have not heard otherwise but will keep on checking. I hope so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio.Weaponworks 57 Posted August 16, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 9:22 PM, Maksim said: So I have not played with Joe's rifles... Waiting for @Modern Materiel to get me and @Rufio.Weaponworks one to demo for videos and magazines. But I have now put a few hundred rounds through my Troy A4 and should have a Dark Storm Variant this week. I will not be making a comment or opinion on Modern Materiel until I try any of their rifles or firearms. I have been trying to work with MM for a year about arranging a range day to demo their product and publish an article on one of my many channels and haven’t been able to get them to commit to a range day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nondisclosure 55 Posted August 19, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 8:38 AM, Rufio.Weaponworks said: I will not be making a comment or opinion on Modern Materiel until I try any of their rifles or firearms. I have been trying to work with MM for a year about arranging a range day to demo their product and publish an article on one of my many channels and haven’t been able to get them to commit to a range day. They're fantastic. Definitely good to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 21, 2019 Went to a few ranges today. You will certainly get looked at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Blacksmythe said: Went to a few ranges today. You will certainly get looked at. Where did you go? And looked at by ROs or other shooters? I have two of these now... so I think I may go do a test. hehe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted August 21, 2019 Has anyone gone to Range 14 with one of these yet? They’ve got a range rule: “All rifles must have shoulder stocks”. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: Has anyone gone to Range 14 with one of these yet? They’ve got a range rule: “All rifles must have shoulder stocks”. THAT is going to be interesting... Is that an old rule before the pistol brace days? Or is this something new/recent? Do the ROs there even know the rules? Damned if you do and damned if you don't... (Shoulder it.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: Has anyone gone to Range 14 with one of these yet? They’ve got a range rule: “All rifles must have shoulder stocks”. Well ..... It is not a rifle, sooooo It also is not a stock, sooooo 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted August 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Maksim said: Is that an old rule before the pistol brace days? Or is this something new/recent It’s on their web page for range rules, so odds are it’s been there for years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 21, 2019 Who knows, may just need to go ahead and ask them. Such as life with Range 14... It's cheap (For NJ) but you have to play by their rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Maksim said: Where did you go? And looked at by ROs or other shooters? I have two of these now... so I think I may go do a test. hehe. Looked at by both. I had it in a tool box broken down. It was fine after I explained what it was and showed a picture of one for sale. one was the Bullet Hole the other a private range in Somerset County. I have a few too and im looking to buy another.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, Blacksmythe said: Looked at by both. I had it in a tool box broken down. It was fine after I explained what it was and showed a picture of one for sale. one was the Bullet Hole the other a private range in Somerset County. I have a few too and im looking to buy another.. Shocked you were checked out at Bullet Hole. Don't they sell them there? And... Somerset... assuming SCFG? Your home build? And that is why I see the value in the letter for the rifles being sold. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, PK90 said: Isn't that what you guys do in Arizona with illegals? er... undocumented aliens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted August 21, 2019 The item in question. Even had the measuring tape. But it did'nt come to that. aAfter they saw the ad and its price it was a curiosity for 10mins. No big deal. I would suggest printing what one is though just in case. Or not. Don't encourage their pompous authority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites