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National reciprocity?? where are we

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29 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

There's a guy that gets it. If it WAS going to happen, we just had a Repub controlled Congress and White House, so did it happen?

Plus, on the fairytail belief that the Senate passes it in the next few weeks, do you really think OUR communist state will it allow to be implemented without a MAJOR fight?

 

On the other hand, look how much other/worse stuff could have happened when Obama had both the House and Senate.  AWB? Yes I know they were pushing ARRA and healthcare, but they did have the opportunity for a streamlined free for all. 

Point is, majorities all over don’t always get everything done, and swings midterm happen.  If anything, the polarity pendulum is swinging more wildly cycle after cycle. With that being the case, next swing could be further in the favor of our side.  

I wouldn’t doubt this was all a ploy -  that often there is a shift midterm, now create the optic of who is holding up these rights, and force the discussion and balance of power again in 2020.  After all, SCOTUS should be favorable, and only more favorable as time goes by, but that’s a last ditch effort amongst the slow roll of politics.  And they want to slow roll stuff to keep getting certain groups’ vote.

Seems to me that a midterm victory on this wouldn’t be as beneficial for Trump getting a second term, as either a late-term win, or the polarizing optic of just whomis preventing it, right before people go to the polls in a Presidential year. 

But maybe Immway off base?

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i would love to see HR-38 passed... but even though we picked up seats in the senate I dont think the votes are there.

and even though the dems have the house... i dont see any AWB coming forward anytime soon.  they know it would get squashed plus they will have their hands full trying to impeach trump, going after his tax returns and trying to get him indicted.  I'm sure that will be all they do until 2020 .. oh that and start the groundwork for medicare for all.

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26 minutes ago, JHZR2 said:

Point is, majorities all over don’t always get everything done,

HR-38 was passed in the House on Dec. 6, 2017. It was then passed over to the Senate.

Do you really think the Senate couldn't find time between then and now to get it passed, if they wanted to?

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23 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

HR-38 was passed in the House on Dec. 6, 2017. It was then passed over to the Senate.

Do you really think the Senate couldn't find time between then and now to get it passed, if they wanted to?

My only hope is that they were waiting for the Lame Duck session, to protect their odds in an election year.

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Now that I am in SC and have my CWP I see this from a different perspective: unfortunately I honestly don't think most of America really cares about national reciprocity.  The reason?  For the most part I already have reciprocity for the states I will most likely travel to:  NC, GA, FL.  Before I moved I saw it as important because it was a foot in the door towards gaining a realistic right to carry in NJ.  Most of us outside the anti-2A states just don't see it the same way.

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19 minutes ago, tomk62 said:

Now that I am in SC and have my CWP I see this from a different perspective: unfortunately I honestly don't think most of America really cares about national reciprocity.  The reason?  For the most part I already have reciprocity for the states I will most likely travel to:  NC, GA, FL.  Before I moved I saw it as important because it was a foot in the door towards gaining a realistic right to carry in NJ.  Most of us outside the anti-2A states just don't see it the same way.

They don't. They have their resident CCW that reciprocates with all the states they want to travel. 

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1 hour ago, Sniper22 said:

HR-38 was passed in the House on Dec. 6, 2017. It was then passed over to the Senate.

Do you really think the Senate couldn't find time between then and now to get it passed, if they wanted to?

Again, read my whole post.  Perhaps there are other strategies in play. 

To chalk it up to unwillingness - you’re saying that some small group pandering to our agenda was unwilling to champion?  There wasn’t a single person trying to ignore the spark? You’re right - they could find time, if the handlers said to.

None of us are that smart.  Certainly the political strategists who lay this all out daily, as opposed to us spending 20 minutes a day on a web forum, have given it some thought.  Perhaps I’m wrong and assume too much.  But I think there’s a strategy to everything.  

To me, there’s an established basis that the legislature changes hands mid term.  It happened with Obama, it’s happening with Trump, and likely happened countless other times. Is the play to have a success now, knowing that will happen anyway, or is the play to empower your 2A voting base to either react or affirm, in 2020??????  

“I don’t care what you did for me yesterday.  I care about what you’re doing for me today” type of logic. 

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3 hours ago, JHZR2 said:

Is the play to have a success now, knowing that will happen anyway, or is the play to empower your 2A voting base to either react or affirm, in 2020??????  

You're putting way too much thought in conspiracy theories. Politicians aren't that smart. If the Senate wanted to pass it, they would have, since it went through the House.

3 hours ago, JHZR2 said:

You’re right - they could find time, if the handlers said to.

and that's exactly what it was. Throw a small piece of red meat to the base by getting the House to vote it in, but never plan on having the Senate vote. Just enough of a meaty treat to get the 2A animals to settle down.

The Repubs and Dems play for the same owners, they just wear different uniforms. Just like the Harlem Globetrotters verses the Washington Generals. Makes for good entertainment, but you always know what the outcome will be. Washington DC is exactly the same "game", and you're the spectator paying the bill.

 

 

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At least the "shall issue "states should have the reciprocity amongst them. I travel quite a bit on motorcycle and is annoying to have to read all the rules. When I went thru Wisconsin I could open carry but not CC. I just kept the gun in one of the motorcycle  pockets

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In reality to pass the bill it would take 60 votes in the  Senate.  I do not see that happening. The only true exceptions now are budget reconciliation or judicial nominations.

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7 minutes ago, SJG said:

In reality to pass the bill it would take 60 votes in the  Senate.  I do not see that happening. The only true exceptions now are budget reconciliation or judicial nominations.

Concur.

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