Putting together an exit game plan.

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35 minutes ago, capt14k said:

This chart maybe handy for some. As far as I am concerned any state on the right side is no go. Especially Florida. Tennessee and Indiana are two states I figured were safe and viable. I am leaning for permanent move to Eastern Tennessee but I must make a stop in Eastern PA first.

 

How state gun laws stack up

Each state’s average ranking from least strict (1) to most strict (50), based on the Cato Institute’s freedom ranking and the number of “key” gun laws passed, according to Everytown. The third row is the average.

 

These charts were done Oct 2017 so prior to recent mass shootings and laws passed and prior to 2017 elections. Vermont and Florida would certainly rank lower. As would Virginia. Texas, PA, and NC being on the right shows they are trending to the dark side. Texas I believe is due to local ordinances and influx of illegals and Californians.

 

 

The Cato Institute’s ranking is based on which of 25 selected gun-control laws each state has passed. Everytown tracks 67 such laws in every state, and the ranking shown here is derived from their data.

 

 

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Here is the Guns & Ammo ranking list for 2017  (again, prior to Parkland, etc.)..  I tend to favor this list as the criteria seem a bit more objective.  I do agree, though, that Fl will go down quite a few notches in re: the 2018 list.

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, capt14k said:

 

WV is cheap as spit but a lot of the property comes with many pitfalls. I have a collector friend who goes by Zeebill on the forums. He grew up in Rutherford, moved to South Jersey in High School, then to Delaware, and after the kids were grown he got divorced and went to WV. Ex is still in Delaware. Either way he was telling me how the state had to pump millions of cubic yards of concrete under houses to close the old mine tunnels and it didn’t work so they pumped more and it may not work again.

 

 

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something that had caught my attention....there was a 10 acre plot near spencer. cheap. like 34k cheap. taxes 1 buck per acre per year. looked last night, and on the website i'd originally seen it on, it sold. yet...on another website, it was showing still for sale. kinda makes me wonder how legit these online sellers are........

[voyager9 3,434]

Wife is adamant about staying in N.J.  her family is here.  I’m somewhat flexible in that I still have to be within commute distance of Burlington for school/work but I’m trying to reopen discussion on eastern PA.  Unfortunately the cost of houses and property taxes there seems higher than where I am now.  Probobly stuck in N.J. for another decade or more. 

[capt14k 2,052]

Here is the Guns & Ammo ranking list for 2017  (again, prior to Parkland, etc.)..  I tend to favor this list as the criteria seem a bit more objective.  I do agree, though, that Fl will go down quite a few notches in re: the 2018 list.
 
 
 
 

I'm curious to see how the 2018 list looks. Indiana should move up and Florida should move down.

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1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said:

yaknow? i was looking at some of those online property sellers.......looking in west va and va. seems undeveloped property in west va is relatively cheap....in va, relatively over-priced.

The price of land is very dependent on county out where I am.  I found a 32 acre property that has a boundary along the national forest for $79K.  Getting ready to make an offer.  This land has a stream and is wooded.  It will be my hunting/shooting land and is 1hr from my house.

[Rob0115 1,105]

On 6/8/2018 at 2:06 PM, slickskin said:

I want to move to Florida, mostly for better weather than here in NJ and a change of scenery, but more gun rights are a big bonus.

It's really just that not everyone has the freedom to just up and leave. You might have attachments to friends, family, and a job, and then there's the matter of the money needed to find a place.

Will you promise never to vote to curb my 2a freedoms or for any candidate that would impose state income tax?   In other words will you never vote democrat?  If you agree to those terms then welcome to Florida.  

On 6/8/2018 at 3:21 PM, HBecwithFn7 said:

 

I'd be very cautious of both Texas and Florida.  Sadly, Florida is not as 2A friendly as it used to be.  Too many anti's moving down here from the northeast who want things "the way we had it up there," and too many politicians trying to cater to them.  This, plus the influx of the refugees from the Hurricanes in Puerto Rico and close by islands. If they're allowed to vote, we could be in serious trouble. We are all very concerned that Florida could turn "purple" if it hasn't already.  But we will fight for it.  We'll know better after the primaries in August.

As for Texas,  Austin is already "blue." Dallas and Houston are at risk Tuscon in Az is already blue, as well as places like Sedona..  Maybe Tenn. will be OK for a while, but it can still have some bad weather there. 

To be honest, I don't think there will be anywhere that will be totally "safe."  I think you have to pick an area and then fight for it if there's any chance that you can stop the anti wave.  Sadly, I think NJ is too far gone.  But the other places are worth fighting for, including Fl. 

Ok here’s your chance to recruit 2a people so we can maintain our super majority and you’re warning them off.  

 

All 2a people as the official Florida recruiter, well self named official recruiter, please come to my state.  

 

Lastly since healthcare care is important the Mayo Clinic has established a major presence in Jacksonville.  

Moving after many years in the same home is no joke especially if you downsize, and traveling distance.   In my case we owned the house for quite sometime before we moved so we knew the area well. Also the house was fully furnished decorated and functioning before we left our primary home in N.J.  We donated nearly all of our furniture to a battered women’s charity sans a few small bits I decorated my place in NYC with.  Still moving boxes full of holiday decorations, glassware, dishes, kitchen items, clothing and only a few large things (tools, green egg, etc) cost about 5k.  Relocating nearly 300 firearms, reloading  gear and accessories was no small feat either, cost me real money.  On top of that I had to ship a car and my motorcycle for another 1900.  In other words it’s more logistically complex than moving across town  and it’s more difficult if you’re selling and buying in a tight window of time   

 

Spend some real time deciding what’s necessary to move vs what you’d buy over again.  There are so many things to consider after many years in the same place including mailing address change, etc.  it’s a big list and good luck to all I hope you find a happy place to enjoy your years. 

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11 minutes ago, Rob0115 said:

Ok here’s your chance to recruit 2a people so we can maintain our super majority and you’re warning them off. 

I'm not warning them off. I'm not saying, "don't come here."  I'm saying, "consider carefully, because you'll be in for a fight."  A fight (that in FL's case) I think that's worth fighting, nonetheless.  I don't want people coming here that aren't prepared to fight for it.

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7 minutes ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

I'm not warning them off. I'm not saying, "don't come here."  I'm saying, "consider carefully, because you'll be in for a fight."  A fight (that in FL's case) I think that's worth fighting, nonetheless.  I don't want people coming here that aren't prepared to fight for it.

I’m just razzing you.  Become co-head recruiter with me.   Talk about all the good stuff!  0 state income tax. 

 

On your last point you’re right but I think just about anywhere you go eventually you’ll be fighting for your rights.  It’s unfortunate but let’s not give up. 

[capt14k 2,052]

I’m just razzing you.  Become co-head recruiter with me.   Talk about all the good stuff!  0 state income tax. 

 

On your last point you’re right but I think just about anywhere you go eventually you’ll be fighting for your rights.  It’s unfortunate but let’s not give up. 

States that not many want to live should be safe as far as rights go

 

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something that had caught my attention....there was a 10 acre plot near spencer. cheap. like 34k cheap. taxes 1 buck per acre per year. looked last night, and on the website i'd originally seen it on, it sold. yet...on another website, it was showing still for sale. kinda makes me wonder how legit these online sellers are........

 

You don't want to live in Spencer. Big drug problem. Lots of abandoned mine tunnels. Even the former Sheriff was a Methhead

 

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4 minutes ago, capt14k said:

States that not many want to live should be safe as far as rights go

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You don't want to live in Spencer

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They will hold out the longest for sure.   I’m looking around the country for one that I’d find suitable as secondary home over the next two years.  I’d really like a plot in Montana, Wyoming or South Dakota.  However they’re not exactly undesirable locations.  

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Here is the Guns & Ammo ranking list for 2017  (again, prior to Parkland, etc.)..  I tend to favor this list as the criteria seem a bit more objective.  I do agree, though, that Fl will go down quite a few notches in re: the 2018 list.
 
 
 
 

I posted that link in my opening post. Its what I’ve gone by.


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7 minutes ago, capt14k said:

States that not many want to live should be safe as far as rights go

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You don't want to live in Spencer

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Most of those being in the Mid-West where the weather is not ideal (Snow, Cold, Tornadoes, etc. etc.) as well as fewer jobs. There are other reasons I chose, Florida besides 2A, and why I'm willing to fight for it.

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35 minutes ago, capt14k said:

States that not many want to live should be safe as far as rights go

 

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You don't want to live in Spencer. Big drug problem. Lots of abandoned mine tunnels. Even the former Sheriff was a Methhead

 

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that explains the low pricing......

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that explains the low pricing......

I was just on the phone with Bill he said flooding too

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Read original post to avoid redundant info and links.
There are many other political and 2A threads. Do not clog up this thread with anything not pertaining to moving.
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Isn't politics and 2A Rights a deciding factor into where to move

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25 minutes ago, capt14k said:

I was just on the phone with Bill he said flooding too

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Isn't politics and 2A Rights a deciding factor into where to move

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Yes, but this is more than that. It should include everything else mentioned. Nobody should be moving because just Politics and 2A rights. You can discuss that elsewhere. This thread is for ideas, resources, tools and such. We heard many times over, the phrase, (not verbatim), time to move out of this blankhole state... not in this thread please.

As for areas such as mentioned above, area does somewhat affect pricing.(I did mention flooding and checking Fema Maps...)
For example, a 3 br 2 bath home on an acre of land, brand new in TN in nice areas can be had for around $220K, taxes $800 per year. If you see that similar new home elsewhere for $150K, you know its a problem area. I have seen this in different parts of TN. Whether flood, bad crime or low to no amenities, directly affect price. Also, in TN, there are a lot of modular/double wides going up. That is another choice you can make. The prices are lower and they are working wonders with them these days. They are no longer trailer trash type homes.

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Yes, but this is more than that. It should include everything else mentioned. Nobody should be moving because just Politics and 2A rights. You can discuss that elsewhere. This thread is for ideas, resources, tools and such. We heard many times over, the phrase, (not verbatim), time to move out of this blankhole state... not in this thread please.
As for areas such as mentioned above, area does somewhat affect pricing.(I did mention flooding and checking Fema Maps...)
For example, a 3 br 2 bath home on an acre of land, brand new in TN in nice areas can be had for around $220K, taxes $800 per year. If you see that similar new home elsewhere for $150K, you know its a problem area. I have seen this in different parts of TN. Whether flood, bad crime or low to no amenities, directly affect price. Also, in TN, there are a lot of modular/double wides going up. That is another choice you can make. The prices are lower and they are working wonders with them these days. They are no longer trailer trash type homes.

Modulars and double wides are worse than ever IMO. They usually use the cheapest materials possible. If you want one that uses quality materials it is cheaper to stick build.


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2 hours ago, Rob0115 said:

Will you promise never to vote to curb my 2a freedoms or for any candidate that would impose state income tax?   In other words will you never vote democrat?  If you agree to those terms then welcome to Florida.  

 

I do actually. I think both curbing 2a rights and state income tax are ridiculous. Democrats on mainstream media also piss me off, especially the late night comedy ones.

[gleninjersey 2,141]

Congratulations to all those making the move! Please send Murphy and your representative a nice farewell letter detailing while you are leaving.  Perhaps even send it to the Op Ed section of the major NJ newspapers.  Maybe they'll notice or take heed if enough people send "farewell" letters.

Will be watching ideas and facts of where people are making their escapes to.  It's a pipe dream of mine to leave but they may be burying me here.  Not that I'm old or in poor health but when my father inlaw passed two years ago my mother inlaw purchased several plots all near one another.  Mine is directly across from him.  At least I'll be in good company.

Still, I can dream, and take notes, in the meantime.

 

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I don't know if you answered this already but are you retired or going to work? Reason i ask is a buddy of mine moved down to north Carolina for a job transfer. His wife took 6 months to find a job as they take care of their own first before out of towners. I imagine it's the same everywhere.  Scout the employment situation also or start your own thing . Just my 2 cents 

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11 minutes ago, gleninjersey said:

Will be watching ideas and facts of where people are making their escapes to.  It's a pipe dream of mine to leave but they may be burying me here.  Not that I'm old or in poor health but when my father inlaw passed two years ago my mother inlaw purchased several plots all near one another.  Mine is directly across from him.  At least I'll be in good company.

Still, I can dream, and take notes, in the meantime.

 

I'm pretty sure there are several such plots in my family reserved for me. And I'm sure there are people in my family that want me put in one, if only for their own convenience. But I will have none of it. I'm going out the way I want to. I just have to find someone (probably not someone in the family) who will do things the way I want them done, not the way they want or "what they think is best."  I want a "direct cremation"  (right from the deathbed to the crematorium - no embalming, no expensive casket, no funeral, nothing).  And then I want my remains scattered at a location only the person doing the scattering will know, at first. After that, my family can do whatever it wishes. I don't want any remnants of me left on this Earth when Armageddon comes or the Earth Blows up.

Point being, I wouldn't let those plots reserved for you (in the future) to affect your decisions, today. Live life at your pleasure, not theirs. If it's meant for you to occupy one of those plots, when its time (and if that's what you want), I'm sure they'll have you sent back for that purpose.  I'd just ensure I could find some one who would be able to carry out my wishes exactly as I want them done, and can stand up to the family pressure. 

 

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I don't know if you answered this already but are you retired or going to work? Reason i ask is a buddy of mine moved down to north Carolina for a job transfer. His wife took 6 months to find a job as they take care of their own first before out of towners. I imagine it's the same everywhere.  Scout the employment situation also or start your own thing . Just my 2 cents 

Don’t know who you are asking. But in any event. My wife takes her job and pay scale with her. I am on full disability till I am 65 then it becomes regular SS.

Yes, you should have a game plan just for that. If you need to still work, you obviously need to scope the area for your abilities.


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Thanks HBec.  Very sound advice.  Believe me, my prepaid burial plot is far from the only thing keeping me here.  Family & job mostly.  

Like I said, I can take notes and hope.  Can possibly change job, or be forced to, in near future.

 

 

[lethalshot 8]

Well I have been thinking of getting out of here for years.  Toward the end of January my wife finally said ok to the idea.  The next Tuesday when she got home from work she found me talking with a realtor.  Took about six weeks to do about two years worth of work to get the house ready to sell.  Closing is June 15th, and the drive out of the socialist people's republic of New Jermany Starts Saturday.  Heading west on I78 to I81 and on to Northern FL.  Going to St Johns county which is a suburb of Jacksonville.  Far enough north that you actually have seasons and of the 67 counties they have the number one schools.  Not that we need schools, but it makes for a better area.  We have rented a four bedroom three bath house with a fenced yard and pool - very few around that meet those requirements.  We will then look around and figure out what we want for a permanent home.  There are lots of new developments with nice houses, although not cheap, but you run into the HOA crap.  We may end up buying some land and building ourselves to avoid the HOA and have more land than the zero lot sizes they are building these days.

Got a 16' POD almost full already and in a couple of days the second 7' one is coming for the rest of the stuff.  Can't wait to leave this shit hole state.

Oh BTW what I am saving on property and income taxes fully pays the rent on the house down there.

Heading down in that area to check out some real estate this fall. Hoping to get my wife on board and then getting the rest of the family move also. I think FL is a long way off from becoming a NJ and I like still having the 4 seasons.

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Heading down in that area to check out some real estate this fall. Hoping to get my wife on board and then getting the rest of the family move also. I think FL is a long way off from becoming a NJ and I like still having the 4 seasons.

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Where are there 4 seasons in Florida? The Panhandle gets one snowfall a decade of over an inch and 3 that are an inch or less. So every 2.5 years you may see some snow falling from the sky. Otherwise Florida has 2 seasons unfit for man or beast hot May-October, comfortable November-April with maybe a few chilly days in February.

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[Rob0115 1,105]

1 hour ago, capt14k said:

Where are there 4 seasons in Florida? The Panhandle gets one snowfall a decade of over an inch and 3 that are an inch or less. So every 2.5 years you may see some snow falling from the sky. Otherwise Florida has 2 seasons unfit for man or beast hot May-October, comfortable November-April with maybe a few chilly days in February.

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Northern FL is 4 season.  This winter was extreme teens and 20s. It normally upper 30s and 40s during the winter.   It’s not as cold as NJ but it’s clesrly much colder than southern FL in the winter.   

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11 minutes ago, Rob0115 said:

Northern FL is 4 season.  This winter was extreme teens and 20s. It normally upper 30s and 40s during the winter.   It’s not as cold as NJ but it’s clesrly much colder than southern FL in the winter.   

I have seen cold enough temps to have frost in Sarasota, but that was a long time ago.  So far, it's been no colder than the upper 50's in Tampa in the dead of winter (Jan-Feb).

 

[capt14k 2,052]

Northern FL is 4 season.  This winter was extreme teens and 20s. It normally upper 30s and 40s during the winter.   It’s not as cold as NJ but it’s clesrly much colder than southern FL in the winter.   

Winter = Snow. That sounds more like brisk cold fall night. So Northern Florida I will give 3 seasons. Still gets too hot to be enjoyable.

 

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[Rob0115 1,105]

9 hours ago, capt14k said:

Winter = Snow. That sounds more like brisk cold fall night. So Northern Florida I will give 3 seasons. Still gets too hot to be enjoyable.

 

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You won’t get snow.   Well not really it did snow for a couple hours in Jax this past year but no accumulation.  

 

Hot, never a bad thing for me.  Personal preference.  

[fishnut 2,358]

54 minutes ago, Rob0115 said:

You won’t get snow.   Well not really it did snow for a couple hours in Jax this past year but no accumulation.  

 

Hot, never a bad thing for me.  Personal preference.  

What is one thing. Heat and humidity together is what kills me. I've spent the last week in July and first week in August in the mid keys ( pigeon key) without A/C. It was a very long 2 weeks. Even the water was really warm and did not provide any relief. 

Florida is a great state but I'll stick to visiting during the winter.