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32 minutes ago, Bob2222 said:

Yup. 1911s, too, IIRC!

But as a law abiding NJ citizen, there were other things that I thought I had more use for than another paperweight.

Remember the presser in Asbury Park in April announcing (with great fanfare) the release of NJ firearm crime data that anyone could find on the internet in about a minute?

https://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2018/04/06/murphy-signs-executive-order-show-new-jersey-gun-violence-data-public/493466002/

Everyone except Murphy and the little girl look like they are confused why they are there.

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N.J. gun stat???

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5 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

There is nothing  illegal about buying an 80% lower in NJ, yet. 

The law as he is applying would only be applied to completed lower receivers... It's a bullshit order. 

An 80% lower is not a firearm, and is not a part that can be readily assembled into a firearm, let alone an assualt weapon. This guy is a fuckwad if he really thinks NJ law even remotely applies, which is why they want that new bill to pass which would make 80% lowers illegal. 

You just can't manufacture it IN* NJ.

So the new AG is either entirely incompetent or just a anti Constitutional gunngrabber, or most likely both. 

Agreed, just BS Sabre rattling from the AG’s office that is intentionally misleading.

Buy your 80% online legally, receive it in NJ legally (for now), hop over to PA or DE to finish it, bring it back.

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5 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

There is nothing  illegal about buying an 80% lower in NJ, yet. 

The law as he is applying would only be applied to completed lower receivers... It's a bullshit order. 

An 80% lower is not a firearm, and is not a part that can be readily assembled into a firearm, let alone an assualt weapon. This guy is a fuckwad if he really thinks NJ law even remotely applies, which is why they want that new bill to pass which would make 80% lowers illegal. 

You just can't manufacture it IN* NJ.

So the new AG is either entirely incompetent or just a anti Constitutional gunngrabber, or most likely both. 

THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial.....

 

 annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that.

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5 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

So the new AG is either entirely incompetent or just a anti Constitutional gunngrabber, or most likely both. 

I KINDA HATE to go here.....but the dude's an indian. gun laws in india suck. worse than here. he probably thinks that they make india a safer place, and is going to try and use his position to make it so. again...i hate to go there, but...........

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18 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial.....

 

 annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that.

As far as i can tell, he took a bunch of different and unrelated subsections and mishmashed them to come to some ridiculous conclusion. I mean are they not trying to pass a law right now aimed at making 80%'s illegal to purchase and own? what's the point if he believes they are already illegal? 

I would be interested in how he could be sued, maybe we can get a company to join up with the NRA or ANJRPC, couldnt hurt to drop another lawsuit on these basterds.

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2 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

I KINDA HATE to go here.....but the dude's an indian. gun laws in india suck. worse than here. he probably thinks that they make india a safer place, and is going to try and use his position to make it so. again...i hate to go there, but...........

Gurbir Grewal  is a Sikh.

And Siks are always supposed to be armed.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

Kirpan

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A Kirpan (top) and its sheath
Type Sword
Place of origin Punjab
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The kirpan is a sword or knife carried by Sikhs.[1][2] Also, it is a religious commandment given by Guru Gobind Rai, later known as Guru Gobind Singh - Singh meaning leon- in 1699, he demanded that Sikhs must wear the five articles of faith (the 5k's) at all times, the kirpan being one of five Ks.[3][4]

The Punjabi word kirpan has two roots: kirpa, meaning "mercy", "grace", "compassion" or "kindness"; and aanaa, meaning "honor", "grace" or "dignity".

Sikhs are expected to embody the qualities of a Sant Sipahi or "saint-soldier" with the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully oppressed or persecuted irrespective of their colour, caste, or creed.[citation needed]

Kirpans are curved and have a single cutting edge that may be either blunt or sharp.[2] They are often between 3.0 inches (7.6 cm) and 9.0 inches (23 cm) long,[2] and must be made of steel or iron.[5]

 

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8 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

I KINDA HATE to go here.....but the dude's an indian. gun laws in india suck. worse than here. he probably thinks that they make india a safer place, and is going to try and use his position to make it so. again...i hate to go there, but...........

No, it's OK to go there. 

A person's culture and upbringing have a huge effect on their beliefs. Just like some guy from the rural midwest may have a different attitude on guns than a Bronx native. So too, does someone from a country like India, or one of the many South/Central American nations where only the paramilitary and drug lords have weapons. This huge demographic shift is a large part of changing attitudes on gun laws in many cities and states over the last twenty years. You can certainly correlate % of people from certain racial groups with support for strict gun laws, and as their birth rates continue to outpace white birth rates the disparity will continue to grow larger and its effects more far reaching.

An exception to this, I would say, would be people from Eastern Europe. Coming from former Communist nations you would expect similar attitudes on guns but the Eastern European people I have met generally tend to be not only very pro-gun, but also in favor of less government, less handouts, individual freedom, etc. 

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ATF web page on Receiver Blanks.

https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks

If he actually believes it and is not just doing what his boss told him to do, he needs to dust off his law school textbooks.

Edit:

Thinking about it -- bb guns and black powder are not considered firearms under Federal law, and online sellers don't sell >15 round (now >10) mags to NJ. The receiver blank business can't be a very high profit margin business and how many could they possibly have sold in New Jersey anyway?

Not worth the legal cost to fight.

Easier and cheaper to just say they won't send orders to New Jersey.

Still think it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist here.

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57 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

As far as i can tell, he took a bunch of different and unrelated subsections and mishmashed them to come to some ridiculous conclusion. I mean are they not trying to pass a law right now aimed at making 80%'s illegal to purchase and own? what's the point if he believes they are already illegal? 

I would be interested in how he could be sued, maybe we can get a company to join up with the NRA or ANJRPC, couldnt hurt to drop another lawsuit on these basterds.

that mishmash is lies if it's done for deception...which it apparently is.

 i'd guess that the nra-ila or anjrcp would know how to go after him. if they choose to that is.

59 minutes ago, SmittyMHS said:

Just got this in the mail. Maybe they didn't open their mail yet.

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now i'm gonna hafta order me one.

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1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said:

THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial.....

 

 annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that.

He's raising rhetoric.  Scaring the ignorant masses.  If successful, everybody will be running around thinking we all have ghost guns.  We keep them on a shelf right next to the bump stocks they think we all have that we bought at a gun show through the gun show loop hole. 

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1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said:

THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial.....

 

 annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that.

He and his buck toothed boss are laying the ground work to stop internet sales for parts and ammo.  It's all scare tactics. 

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Not being a lawyer, but having a personal opinion - I don't see how they can stop

a mfg from selling a NJ resident an 80% lower because at that point it is just a paperweight.

it is NOT a firearm. 

Same logic would apply to a piece of 2" round bar stock; it could be made into a flash hider,

but until it is it isn't a flash hider.

JMO

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1 hour ago, Shawnmoore81 said:

They think New Jersey laws mean something in other states. An 80% is a block of metal. That’s all.


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During one of the ammo panics or another, I tried buying from suppliers other than my usual online vendor and IIRC, all asked for a copy of my NJFPID. So they were intimidated.

A magazine is just a tube and a spring but sellers seem pretty careful about selling to prohibited states.

Expect plenty more exhibits of meaningless virtue signaling. Murphy thinks Moms-Against-Guns/Rich-Divorcees-With-WAY-Too-Much-Time-On-Their-Hands will make him the 46th President.

I think he's highly delusional.

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Was looking at buying a Polymer80 in the next few days and this just strengthen that feeling. Not because I'm scared they will be banned, but more as FU to Phil. Maybe Ill come up with my own serial number for it as well. S/N: FCKPHIL01

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21 hours ago, Bob2222 said:

Gurbir Grewal  is a Sikh.

And Siks are always supposed to be armed.

 

I asked his office this question and was not replied to.  The kirpan is a long standing requirement and I believe a concealed weapon in NJ. 

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I asked his office this question and was not replied to.  The kirpan is a long standing requirement and I believe a concealed weapon in NJ. 
I wonder???? What if there was a religion that required on to carry a pistol? Now there would be an interesting challenge. NJ infringes on religious practice. Maybe too outside the box lol.

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1 hour ago, capt14k said:

I wonder???? What if there was a religion that required on to carry a pistol? Now there would be an interesting challenge. NJ infringes on religious practice. Maybe too outside the box lol.

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See Luke 22:36

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See Luke 22:36


Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol.


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See Luke 22:36


Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol.


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3 hours ago, capt14k said:

I wonder???? What if there was a religion that required on to carry a pistol? Now there would be an interesting challenge. NJ infringes on religious practice. Maybe too outside the box lol.

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I was waiting to hear it was religious protection so I could say that i belong to the church of smith & Wesson.   

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7 minutes ago, Rob0115 said:

I was waiting to hear it was religious protection so I could say that i belong to the church of smith & Wesson.   

 

1 hour ago, capt14k said:

 


Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol.


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Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol.


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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/28/pennsylvania-church-ceremony-guns/383815002/

 

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