Zeke 5,504 Posted June 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, Bob2222 said: Yup. 1911s, too, IIRC! But as a law abiding NJ citizen, there were other things that I thought I had more use for than another paperweight. Remember the presser in Asbury Park in April announcing (with great fanfare) the release of NJ firearm crime data that anyone could find on the internet in about a minute? https://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2018/04/06/murphy-signs-executive-order-show-new-jersey-gun-violence-data-public/493466002/ Everyone except Murphy and the little girl look like they are confused why they are there. N.J. gun stat??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, JackDaWack said: There is nothing illegal about buying an 80% lower in NJ, yet. The law as he is applying would only be applied to completed lower receivers... It's a bullshit order. An 80% lower is not a firearm, and is not a part that can be readily assembled into a firearm, let alone an assualt weapon. This guy is a fuckwad if he really thinks NJ law even remotely applies, which is why they want that new bill to pass which would make 80% lowers illegal. You just can't manufacture it IN* NJ. So the new AG is either entirely incompetent or just a anti Constitutional gunngrabber, or most likely both. Agreed, just BS Sabre rattling from the AG’s office that is intentionally misleading. Buy your 80% online legally, receive it in NJ legally (for now), hop over to PA or DE to finish it, bring it back. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, JackDaWack said: There is nothing illegal about buying an 80% lower in NJ, yet. The law as he is applying would only be applied to completed lower receivers... It's a bullshit order. An 80% lower is not a firearm, and is not a part that can be readily assembled into a firearm, let alone an assualt weapon. This guy is a fuckwad if he really thinks NJ law even remotely applies, which is why they want that new bill to pass which would make 80% lowers illegal. You just can't manufacture it IN* NJ. So the new AG is either entirely incompetent or just a anti Constitutional gunngrabber, or most likely both. THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial..... annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, JackDaWack said: So the new AG is either entirely incompetent or just a anti Constitutional gunngrabber, or most likely both. I KINDA HATE to go here.....but the dude's an indian. gun laws in india suck. worse than here. he probably thinks that they make india a safer place, and is going to try and use his position to make it so. again...i hate to go there, but........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted June 13, 2018 Just got this in the mail. Maybe they didn't open their mail yet. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted June 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial..... annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that. As far as i can tell, he took a bunch of different and unrelated subsections and mishmashed them to come to some ridiculous conclusion. I mean are they not trying to pass a law right now aimed at making 80%'s illegal to purchase and own? what's the point if he believes they are already illegal? I would be interested in how he could be sued, maybe we can get a company to join up with the NRA or ANJRPC, couldnt hurt to drop another lawsuit on these basterds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: I KINDA HATE to go here.....but the dude's an indian. gun laws in india suck. worse than here. he probably thinks that they make india a safer place, and is going to try and use his position to make it so. again...i hate to go there, but........... Gurbir Grewal is a Sikh. And Siks are always supposed to be armed. Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan Kirpan Kirpan A Kirpan (top) and its sheath Type Sword Place of origin Punjab Part of a series on Sikhism Sikh gurus[show] Select revered saints[show] Philosophy[show] Practices[show] Scripture[show] Takhts[show] General topics[show] Sikhism portal v t e The kirpan is a sword or knife carried by Sikhs.[1][2] Also, it is a religious commandment given by Guru Gobind Rai, later known as Guru Gobind Singh - Singh meaning leon- in 1699, he demanded that Sikhs must wear the five articles of faith (the 5k's) at all times, the kirpan being one of five Ks.[3][4] The Punjabi word kirpan has two roots: kirpa, meaning "mercy", "grace", "compassion" or "kindness"; and aanaa, meaning "honor", "grace" or "dignity". Sikhs are expected to embody the qualities of a Sant Sipahi or "saint-soldier" with the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully oppressed or persecuted irrespective of their colour, caste, or creed.[citation needed] Kirpans are curved and have a single cutting edge that may be either blunt or sharp.[2] They are often between 3.0 inches (7.6 cm) and 9.0 inches (23 cm) long,[2] and must be made of steel or iron.[5] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mossburger 406 Posted June 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: I KINDA HATE to go here.....but the dude's an indian. gun laws in india suck. worse than here. he probably thinks that they make india a safer place, and is going to try and use his position to make it so. again...i hate to go there, but........... No, it's OK to go there. A person's culture and upbringing have a huge effect on their beliefs. Just like some guy from the rural midwest may have a different attitude on guns than a Bronx native. So too, does someone from a country like India, or one of the many South/Central American nations where only the paramilitary and drug lords have weapons. This huge demographic shift is a large part of changing attitudes on gun laws in many cities and states over the last twenty years. You can certainly correlate % of people from certain racial groups with support for strict gun laws, and as their birth rates continue to outpace white birth rates the disparity will continue to grow larger and its effects more far reaching. An exception to this, I would say, would be people from Eastern Europe. Coming from former Communist nations you would expect similar attitudes on guns but the Eastern European people I have met generally tend to be not only very pro-gun, but also in favor of less government, less handouts, individual freedom, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted June 13, 2018 ATF web page on Receiver Blanks. https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks If he actually believes it and is not just doing what his boss told him to do, he needs to dust off his law school textbooks. Edit: Thinking about it -- bb guns and black powder are not considered firearms under Federal law, and online sellers don't sell >15 round (now >10) mags to NJ. The receiver blank business can't be a very high profit margin business and how many could they possibly have sold in New Jersey anyway? Not worth the legal cost to fight. Easier and cheaper to just say they won't send orders to New Jersey. Still think it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 13, 2018 57 minutes ago, JackDaWack said: As far as i can tell, he took a bunch of different and unrelated subsections and mishmashed them to come to some ridiculous conclusion. I mean are they not trying to pass a law right now aimed at making 80%'s illegal to purchase and own? what's the point if he believes they are already illegal? I would be interested in how he could be sued, maybe we can get a company to join up with the NRA or ANJRPC, couldnt hurt to drop another lawsuit on these basterds. that mishmash is lies if it's done for deception...which it apparently is. i'd guess that the nra-ila or anjrcp would know how to go after him. if they choose to that is. 59 minutes ago, SmittyMHS said: Just got this in the mail. Maybe they didn't open their mail yet. now i'm gonna hafta order me one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said: THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial..... annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that. He's raising rhetoric. Scaring the ignorant masses. If successful, everybody will be running around thinking we all have ghost guns. We keep them on a shelf right next to the bump stocks they think we all have that we bought at a gun show through the gun show loop hole. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said: THEN he is flat out lying too, 'cause completed lowers do have a serial..... annd....if he IS lying....then there should be a suit brought against him just for that. He and his buck toothed boss are laying the ground work to stop internet sales for parts and ammo. It's all scare tactics. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted June 13, 2018 Fukin Retards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted June 13, 2018 They think New Jersey laws mean something in other states. An 80% is a block of metal. That’s all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted June 13, 2018 Not being a lawyer, but having a personal opinion - I don't see how they can stop a mfg from selling a NJ resident an 80% lower because at that point it is just a paperweight. it is NOT a firearm. Same logic would apply to a piece of 2" round bar stock; it could be made into a flash hider, but until it is it isn't a flash hider. JMO 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 13, 2018 I'm actually pleased at this letter - if this is the level of tactics we can expect from this AG's office (baseless threats, fear mongering, half-truths, flimsy associations and verbal bullying) then they're going have a real bad time with upcoming gun law litigation. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Shawnmoore81 said: They think New Jersey laws mean something in other states. An 80% is a block of metal. That’s all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk During one of the ammo panics or another, I tried buying from suppliers other than my usual online vendor and IIRC, all asked for a copy of my NJFPID. So they were intimidated. A magazine is just a tube and a spring but sellers seem pretty careful about selling to prohibited states. Expect plenty more exhibits of meaningless virtue signaling. Murphy thinks Moms-Against-Guns/Rich-Divorcees-With-WAY-Too-Much-Time-On-Their-Hands will make him the 46th President. I think he's highly delusional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Bob2222 said: I think he's highly delusional. Maybe not. I can see the annal openings that voted him in voting him in for Senator. Senator is closer to the Oval Office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 14, 2018 Video of the AG commenting on the letter out on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NJAttorneyGeneralsOffice/videos/1857590027877982/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted June 14, 2018 14 hours ago, Bob2222 said: Gurbir Grewal is a Sikh. And Siks are always supposed to be armed. In New Jersey he'd better have a "reasonably articulable purpose," LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted June 14, 2018 Number of crimes in New Jersey committed with "Ghost Guns" = ZERO. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted June 14, 2018 Was looking at buying a Polymer80 in the next few days and this just strengthen that feeling. Not because I'm scared they will be banned, but more as FU to Phil. Maybe Ill come up with my own serial number for it as well. S/N: FCKPHIL01 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted June 14, 2018 21 hours ago, Bob2222 said: Gurbir Grewal is a Sikh. And Siks are always supposed to be armed. I asked his office this question and was not replied to. The kirpan is a long standing requirement and I believe a concealed weapon in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted June 14, 2018 I believe this is a case of AG Goodbeer Drywall doing his best Joseph Goebbels imitation at the behest of Gov. Gopher. Obfuscate Confiscate Incarcerate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted June 14, 2018 I asked his office this question and was not replied to. The kirpan is a long standing requirement and I believe a concealed weapon in NJ. I wonder???? What if there was a religion that required on to carry a pistol? Now there would be an interesting challenge. NJ infringes on religious practice. Maybe too outside the box lol.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, capt14k said: I wonder???? What if there was a religion that required on to carry a pistol? Now there would be an interesting challenge. NJ infringes on religious practice. Maybe too outside the box lol. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk See Luke 22:36 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted June 14, 2018 See Luke 22:36Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk See Luke 22:36Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted June 14, 2018 3 hours ago, capt14k said: I wonder???? What if there was a religion that required on to carry a pistol? Now there would be an interesting challenge. NJ infringes on religious practice. Maybe too outside the box lol. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk I was waiting to hear it was religious protection so I could say that i belong to the church of smith & Wesson. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indianajonze 379 Posted June 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rob0115 said: I was waiting to hear it was religious protection so I could say that i belong to the church of smith & Wesson. 1 hour ago, capt14k said: Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Yes but I mean literally the religion states one must carry a semi auto pistol. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/28/pennsylvania-church-ceremony-guns/383815002/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted June 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, Indianajonze said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/28/pennsylvania-church-ceremony-guns/383815002/ I found my new religion. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites