For Those Moving out of PRNJ

[Bklynracer 1,263]

Just a FYI to anyone leaving. 

Saw this on RSTP website, didn't  know this, 

 

https://www.pagunblog.com/2018/05/23/the-final-indignity-for-the-departing-new-jersey-gun-owner/

[Howard 538]

Just a FYI to anyone leaving. 
Saw this on RSTP website, didn't  know this, 
 
https://www.pagunblog.com/2018/05/23/the-final-indignity-for-the-departing-new-jersey-gun-owner/

I’m moving in two weeks, but tragically mine was lost in a boating accident and I am just not going to bother replacing it.

[Bklynracer 1,263]

2 minutes ago, Howard said:

 

 

I’m moving in two weeks, but tragically mine was lost in a boating accident and I am just not going to bother replacing it.

 

 

So to be legal, You need to re-apply for a replacement wait 3 moths to get it so you can then cancel it.

[Howard 538]

So to be legal, You need to re-apply for a replacement wait 3 moths to get it so you can then cancel it.

So what law states that you MUST replace a lost or stolen card? I understand using it if you don’t update the address could be problematic, but if you lost it you just say screw it and forget about it.

[124gr9mm 859]

I can't imagine anyone ever being prosecuted for that.

[silverado427 10,681]

8 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said:

I can't imagine anyone ever being prosecuted for that.

This is New Jerkey. !!

[Bklynracer 1,263]

14 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said:

I can't imagine anyone ever being prosecuted for that.

Didn't Murphy say he would prosecute everything?

[PK90 3,570]

Send him my way. I still have mine as a reminder of my incarceration.

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[njJoniGuy 2,131]

4 hours ago, PK90 said:

Send him my way.

I wish we could, Paul. Will you sign for the 3 plastic-lined UPS cartons when he arrives?

[PK90 3,570]

I wish we could, Paul. Will you sign for the 3 plastic-lined UPS cartons when he arrives?

70 lbs is the maximum UPS per box weight. You'd better use 5.

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[W2MC 1,699]

Am I the only one who's had about enough of Evan Nappen?

I've heard him speak before, and I have one of his books.  But I started to question his opinions when he made the statement that a loaded magazine can somehow be construed as being a loaded gun.  Hard to believe; and when asked to provide an example of where this has actually happened?  Crickets....

Now he's found some means under NJ law where it can be construed that NJ will try and extradite you BACK to NJ if you don't tell them you've moved out of state and fail to -not cancel- but *change your address* on your NJ FID card!  Uh huh....Pennsylvania's going to send you back to NJ because you didn't tell them where to forward your mail, now that you've left the state?  Who's ever heard of this one before?  

Personally, I think its tied to his gun law seminars.  I'm told they are interesting/entertaining; but they're also used to hawk for "US Law Shield"; a $10.95 a month 'legal service' that provides some sort of gun law 'coverage'...searching the internet, its hard to tell what they really cover, and the reviews for its services are somewhat mixed.  I guess its for when NJ tries to haul you back after you've finally left the people's democratic republic of NJ for free america...

[Tunaman 548]

4 hours ago, W2MC said:

Am I the only one who's had about enough of Evan Nappen?

I've heard him speak before, and I have one of his books.  But I started to question his opinions when he made the statement that a loaded magazine can somehow be construed as being a loaded gun.  Hard to believe; and when asked to provide an example of where this has actually happened?  Crickets....

Now he's found some means under NJ law where it can be construed that NJ will try and extradite you BACK to NJ if you don't tell them you've moved out of state and fail to -not cancel- but *change your address* on your NJ FID card!  Uh huh....Pennsylvania's going to send you back to NJ because you didn't tell them where to forward your mail, now that you've left the state?  Who's ever heard of this one before?  

Personally, I think its tied to his gun law seminars.  I'm told they are interesting/entertaining; but they're also used to hawk for "US Law Shield"; a $10.95 a month 'legal service' that provides some sort of gun law 'coverage'...searching the internet, its hard to tell what they really cover, and the reviews for its services are somewhat mixed.  I guess its for when NJ tries to haul you back after you've finally left the people's democratic republic of NJ for free america...

He is offering free advice and you are knocking him?  He knows WAY more about this stuff than we do.  Hope you never need him someday.  

[Silence Dogood 468]

40 minutes ago, Tunaman said:

He is offering free advice and you are knocking him?  He knows WAY more about this stuff than we do.  Hope you never need him someday.  

Agreed.  And the local firearms officer at our PD said essentially the same thing years ago re:  mags.  You have a gun part (as they can perceive it) that is loaded, therefore the gun can be considered loaded.   Hasn't been tested in court so far as I know.

[CAL. .30 M1 2,101]

This is a non issue.....  moving out of the shithole...yes.....proceed to cancel and hand over FID....  live long and free in freeamerica.

And as you leave give Jersey the one finger salute.. .and say FU.

[Howard 538]

25 minutes ago, Silence Dogood said:

Agreed.  And the local firearms officer at our PD said essentially the same thing years ago re:  mags.  You have a gun part (as they can perceive it) that is loaded, therefore the gun can be considered loaded.   Hasn't been tested in court so far as I know.

Just because a lawyer (who wants to protect himself from getting sued), and a cop - many who are actually clueless about the law says something - does NOT make it so.  None of these things are written into the law and none of these people have provided copy of case law to support what they say.  My FFL has repeatedly been told incorrect information by the people at the state police firearms unit so it is likely the firearms officer at a local police department is equally wrong.  Sure can't wait to get out of the socialist people's Republic of New Jermany.

[fishnut 2,358]

Molon labe. Mine is in my safe with a large stack of 30 round Pmags, 2 ARs with adjustable stocks and a mini 14 with a folding stock. F U Jersey 

[mossburger 406]

11 hours ago, W2MC said:

Am I the only one who's had about enough of Evan Nappen?

I've heard him speak before, and I have one of his books.  But I started to question his opinions when he made the statement that a loaded magazine can somehow be construed as being a loaded gun.  Hard to believe; and when asked to provide an example of where this has actually happened?  Crickets....

Now he's found some means under NJ law where it can be construed that NJ will try and extradite you BACK to NJ if you don't tell them you've moved out of state and fail to -not cancel- but *change your address* on your NJ FID card!  Uh huh....Pennsylvania's going to send you back to NJ because you didn't tell them where to forward your mail, now that you've left the state?  Who's ever heard of this one before?  

Personally, I think its tied to his gun law seminars.  I'm told they are interesting/entertaining; but they're also used to hawk for "US Law Shield"; a $10.95 a month 'legal service' that provides some sort of gun law 'coverage'...searching the internet, its hard to tell what they really cover, and the reviews for its services are somewhat mixed.  I guess its for when NJ tries to haul you back after you've finally left the people's democratic republic of NJ for free america...

Why be a force for change and use your legal work to try and win court battles for NJ gun owners when you can just scared the hell out of them and profit for yourself? I can't stand Nappen because he's just another parasite profiting off of NJ's unconstitutional gun laws. 

[HBecwithFn7 296]

I honestly don't see how this could be enforced.  I understand if you want to return to visit NJ, and bring your weapons with you (which I'll never do), but if you've left the state permanently and have no intention of returning...

First, to where would you send the STS-033?  To your *former* municipality?  Directly to the NJSP FIU?  And would they mail it back to you at your new location out of state?  I thought that FPID's always had to be "picked up" at the issuing authority's facility (i.e. municipal LEA office or State Police Barracks in question)???  Would you have to travel back to NJ to pick it up????

This can't be right.  I know of no NJ law that "requires" you to maintain an active FPID, even if you move out of state, unless you intend to continue using it while visiting the state. 

[siderman 1,137]

looking at His NJ gun law book page 157- Moving Out Of NJ- He says it is under N.J.A.C.13:54-1.11. and it is done thru the superintendant of state police. Crazy man, the balls of this state never ends.

[brucin 923]

11 hours ago, fishnut said:

Molon labe. Mine is in my safe with a large stack of 30 round Pmags, 2 ARs with adjustable stocks and a mini 14 with a folding stock. F U Jersey 

Bragging is mean, just sayin'.

[carl_g 568]

I lost mine and I am bummed cause I wanted to use it for target practice.

[Bob2222 316]

On 6/4/2018 at 6:28 PM, 124gr9mm said:

I can't imagine anyone ever being prosecuted for that.

Is there an accurate central register of all the locally-issued NJ FPIDs issued since 1966? Mine looks like it was pounded out on my dad's old manual typewriter -- 1966 technology. 

How many who have ever applied for FPIDs have since moved out of the state or are dead?

(I'd guess about half.)

When Sweeney tried to do away with the local FPID system and link the new FPID with driver's licenses (the big bill Christie vetoed), there seemed to be a  lot of concern about a NJ central firearm owner registry.

 

[Persona non grata 113]

I remember looking at the statutes when I moved within NJ to see what would happen if I had not updated my address. The law is 30 days to update your address, but I don’t remember seeing that failure to update within that timeframe was called out as a crime or had any penalty associated with it.

Edit: just read the administrative code that Nappen points to. I don’t see it prescribing any penalty for not changing your address within 30 days. 

[HBecwithFn7 296]

7 hours ago, siderman said:

looking at His NJ gun law book page 157- Moving Out Of NJ- He says it is under N.J.A.C.13:54-1.11. and it is done thru the superintendant of state police. Crazy man, the balls of this state never ends.

49 minutes ago, Persona non grata said:

I remember looking at the statutes when I moved within NJ to see what would happen if I had not updated my address. The law is 30 days to update your address, but I don’t remember seeing that failure to update within that timeframe was called out as a crime or had any penalty associated with it.

Edit: just read the administrative code that Nappen points to. I don’t see it prescribing any penalty for not changing your address within 30 days. 

I just read the regulation ( N.J.A.C.13:54-1.11) myself.  Here is the text:

 

1313:54-1.11 Duplicate firearms purchaser identification card

(a) Persons shall apply for a duplicate firearms purchaser identification card to replace a lost, stolen or mutilated card,

or in the case of a change of residence by the holder, within 30 days of such loss, theft, mutilation, or change of residence.

 

(b) The applicant shall complete an application for a duplicate firearms purchaser identification card designated as form STS-3 and a consent for mental health records search designated as form STS-1 and present same to the chief of police in the municipality where the applicant resides or to the Superintendent in all other cases.

 

(c) It shall be the responsibility of the chief of police of the municipality wherein the applicant currently resides or the

Superintendent in all other cases, to conduct a criminal history records check and to determine if the applicant is subject to any of the disabilities as provided by law and this subchapter and to issue the duplicate card, should the applicant qualify. The applicant shall pay the appropriate fee for a Criminal History Record Check as established by N.J.A.C. 13:59 in accordance with N.J.S.A. 53:1-20.5 et seq. (P.L. 1985, c.69).

Now, reading this and, given that the main intent of the regulation is handling the issuance of a "Duplicate" FPID card (in the event one is lost or stolen or a change of address is "required"), I'm thinking the intent of the "change of address" part involved  local changes of address only (i.e. intrastate moves) where a duplicate FPID would be required.  Perhaps, the process for issuing the card is "shortened" if one files for the duplicate within that 30 day period.  Maybe the "full process" (including references, and all the other things as required by the State) would be required over again if the duplicate is not filed for within 30 days.  Although, again I'd wonder how they know it's been 30 days.... 

Assuming that Evan Nappen actually wrote that summary on the website (or authorized it), my guess is that he's trying to generate a little business for himself.   I honestly don't think this regulation applies to people moving "out of state," permanently with no intention of needing an FPID again. I don't think anyone who moves out of state would be prosecuted.  Unless there's any case law involved that we could research (i.e. some out of state resident being extradited / prosecuted... for what violation I have no idea, but....)... Why would they spend the $$$ on doing that?

I think we're good folks.

 

 

[PK90 3,570]

One can not be charged for violation of the administrative code. There is no penalty for not changing your address.

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[siderman 1,137]

9 hours ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

I just read the regulation ( N.J.A.C.13:54-1.11) myself.  Here is the text:

 

1313:54-1.11 Duplicate firearms purchaser identification card

(a) Persons shall apply for a duplicate firearms purchaser identification card to replace a lost, stolen or mutilated card,

or in the case of a change of residence by the holder, within 30 days of such loss, theft, mutilation, or change of residence.

 

(b) The applicant shall complete an application for a duplicate firearms purchaser identification card designated as form STS-3 and a consent for mental health records search designated as form STS-1 and present same to the chief of police in the municipality where the applicant resides or to the Superintendent in all other cases.

 

(c) It shall be the responsibility of the chief of police of the municipality wherein the applicant currently resides or the

Superintendent in all other cases, to conduct a criminal history records check and to determine if the applicant is subject to any of the disabilities as provided by law and this subchapter and to issue the duplicate card, should the applicant qualify. The applicant shall pay the appropriate fee for a Criminal History Record Check as established by N.J.A.C. 13:59 in accordance with N.J.S.A. 53:1-20.5 et seq. (P.L. 1985, c.69).

Now, reading this and, given that the main intent of the regulation is handling the issuance of a "Duplicate" FPID card (in the event one is lost or stolen or a change of address is "required"), I'm thinking the intent of the "change of address" part involved  local changes of address only (i.e. intrastate moves) where a duplicate FPID would be required.  Perhaps, the process for issuing the card is "shortened" if one files for the duplicate within that 30 day period.  Maybe the "full process" (including references, and all the other things as required by the State) would be required over again if the duplicate is not filed for within 30 days.  Although, again I'd wonder how they know it's been 30 days.... 

Assuming that Evan Nappen actually wrote that summary on the website (or authorized it), my guess is that he's trying to generate a little business for himself.   I honestly don't think this regulation applies to people moving "out of state," permanently with no intention of needing an FPID again. I don't think anyone who moves out of state would be prosecuted.  Unless there's any case law involved that we could research (i.e. some out of state resident being extradited / prosecuted... for what violation I have no idea, but....)... Why would they spend the $$$ on doing that?

I think we're good folks.

 

 

Thanx for posting the code on that, I was too lazy at the moment and just had His book in front of me. Seems He interprets "all other cases"  as to include moves out of state even tho it's not mentioned.....not sure where He picked up the charges for failure to to so either.....

[CAL. .30 M1 2,101]

Talk about a NON issue.....

 

Your moving out of state, you have zero need for a njfid card.  Move transport your property...when fully established in the new state. Mail said card with letter stating you are no longer a NJ resident and you relinquish your card.  Certified mail return receipt requested.

 

Done.  

[Persona non grata 113]

The funny thing is I actually would change my address and get an out of state card if it was practical to do so (online system like anywhere else). Most of my family is still in NJ, so I wouldn’t mind having the card just in case I suddenly have the need while visiting. Of course, NJ is about 40 years behind the times, so that isn’t happening any time soon. 

[BobA 1,235]

5 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said:

Talk about a NON issue.....

 

Your moving out of state, you have zero need for a njfid card.  Move transport your property...when fully established in the new state. Mail said card with letter stating you are no longer a NJ resident and you relinquish your card.  Certified mail return receipt requested.

 

Done.  

That’s even more than this state deserves after all the crap we go through. I don’t buy any of this. What are they going to do?  Issue a bench warrant?  Screw this and them. 

[BobA 1,235]

On 6/5/2018 at 1:07 AM, W2MC said:

I've heard him speak before, and I have one of his books.  But I started to question his opinions when he made the statement that a loaded magazine can somehow be construed as being a loaded gun.  Hard to believe; and when asked to provide an example of where this has actually happened?

Although I’ve never heard of this happening, I could believe a cop and/or a prosecutor making the case. After all we’re talking about slimy lawyers.