CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted August 29, 2018 11 hours ago, Zeke said: No quotes... actual action So by this meme you are indicating that the police and military are enemies of the CITIZENS of this nation? I just want to be sure I understand. While those numbers can be argued, I would say they are true to a degree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,128 Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said: So by this meme you are indicating that the police and military are enemies of the CITIZENS of this nation? I just want to be sure I understand. While those numbers can be argued, I would say they are true to a degree. If the military and law enforcement members are going to obey unconstitutional orders from their superiors, then YES, they will be the enemy of the Citizenry. Just like if UN troops are sent into the US to enforce UN mandates. Isn't that why powder blue helmets glow in the dark?? 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted August 29, 2018 I laugh at some of the “ here from the beginning of the forum “ you can change your screen name. But you can’t change the fact you’re an .... Lost relevancy and tried to switch it up? Lmao. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mossburger 406 Posted August 30, 2018 13 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said: So by this meme you are indicating that the police and military are enemies of the CITIZENS of this nation? I just want to be sure I understand. Lol the average cop would gladly bust your ass here in NJ over a folding stock or 11 round magazine or whatever else such nonsense. They wouldn't even think twice. They wouldn't give a crap. It's not personal, they wouldn't care at all. Ruining your life over some bull crap would just be a regular Tuesday to them. They've got bills to pay and a pension to collect. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted August 30, 2018 Lol the average cop would gladly bust your ass here in NJ over a folding stock or 11 round magazine or whatever else such nonsense. They wouldn't even think twice. They wouldn't give a crap. It's not personal, they wouldn't care at all. Ruining your life over some bull crap would just be a regular Tuesday to them. They've got bills to pay and a pension to collect. Sad but trueSent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted August 30, 2018 You guys need to stop posting in this thread until there is actual news. I get nervous when I see it pop up in my feed. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted August 30, 2018 nothing yet, 31st is tomorrow and no news? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,759 Posted August 30, 2018 It's damn near September and STILL no news? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malice4you 627 Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 0:45 PM, PeteF said: THE LATEST ON ANJRPC’S LEGAL CHALLENGES TO NJ MAG BAN AND NJ CARRY LAW Hold Onto Your Magazines – We Anticipate a Decision On Our Injunction Motion in September and Will Provide Detailed Guidance Then Carry Lawsuit Moving Through Federal Appeals Court It has been a busy summer for ANJRPC’s federal legal challenges to New Jersey’s magazine ban and unconstitutional carry laws. There has been significant activity in both lawsuits, and the following updates have been provided by attorney Dan Schmutter, Esq., who is local counsel in both cases: MAGAZINE BAN CASE The U.S. District Court held evidentiary hearings over three days during the week of August 13th on ANJRPC’s application for a preliminary injunction in the lawsuit to strike down New Jersey’s new magazine ban (which prohibits the possession of magazines with a capacity over 10 rounds). The injunction application seeks to put the new law on hold while the case is decided. The Court heard testimony from three of the State’s witnesses and then finished up the week hearing testimony from our expert witness, Florida State University Criminologist Professor Gary Kleck. The State’s witnesses offered various opinions on the nature and use of magazines with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds. Cross-examination of the State’s witnesses was thorough and crisp, and the Judge was engaged and attentive. Professor Kleck testified that depriving law abiding gun owners of standard capacity magazines holding over 10 rounds will not only not reduce mass shootings, but will also make lawful self-defense more difficult. He also addressed the opinions of the State’s witnesses, identifying flaws in their data and reasoning. The parties are scheduled to submit closing briefs on the injunction motion on September 4, followed by telephonic oral argument on September 6. [Important Note from ANJRPC: We have received numerous inquiries from gun owners asking for guidance on what to do with their magazines. ANJRPC will issue detailed guidance once we have a decision on the injunction motion, and we suggest that gun owners await that decision before doing anything with their magazines over 10 rounds. In the meanwhile, gun owners are cautioned not to use, transport, or attempt to purchase magazines over 10 rounds – all of which are prohibited and could result in serious criminal charges. Please see prior guidancefrom gun rights attorney Evan Nappen on this subject.] RIGHT TO CARRY LAWSUIT ANJRPC’S federal lawsuit Rogers v. Grewal, challenging New Jersey’s carry law, is moving forward. In May, as expected, the District Court dismissed the case, stating it was bound by a previous decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit,Drake v. Filko, upholding the law. We then filed an appeal with the Third Circuit in June. In July, we asked the Third Circuit panel assigned to the case to rule on the appeal “summarily,” without briefing or argument, again on the ground that the panel is already bound by the decision in Drake. We argued that Drake was wrongly decided but that a Third Circuit panel does not have authority to change that ruling. Instead, only the full complement of all Third Circuit judges, sitting together (known as “en banc”), or the U.S. Supreme Court, can overrule Drake. The attorneys for the State agreed, and we are currently awaiting a decision on our motion asking the Court to rule summarily. Whatever happens, the case will inevitably work its way toward possible consideration in the U.S. Supreme Court. Both the magazine ban case and the right to carry challenge were filed with the assistance of the National Rifle Association. ANJRPC thanks the NRA for its incredible support, which made both lawsuits possible. ANJRPC also thanks the law firm of Cooper & Kirk, and attorney Dan Schmutter, for their incredibly hard work in these cases. Closest to an update we have for the time being. In case you missed it from the last page. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted August 31, 2018 many blue in the family and let me tell you, all that matters is the contract and pension. Cops could care less about the orders they are given to follow and agree, cops have not endeared themselves to the constitution or the people they serve. Cops have most definitely become outsiders to their communities. Just go in any station and listen to them refer to us as as civilians...... 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted August 31, 2018 Yep. Between the well being of their families and yours, who are they going to pick? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regular Guy 264 Posted August 31, 2018 43 minutes ago, myhatinthering said: many blue in the family and let me tell you, all that matters is the contract and pension. Cops could care less about the orders they are given to follow and agree, cops have not endeared themselves to the constitution or the people they serve. Cops have most definitely become outsiders to their communities. Just go in any station and listen to them refer to us as as civilians...... I was a Deputy Sheriff for 7 years in a full service Sheriff's Office where we answered 911 calls and patrolled streets (most Sheriff's in NJ don't answer calls or have a patrol division). I was in an area of about 100,000 locals with 2 million annual visiting tourists to Mt Rushmore every year and another 500,000 to 1 million bikers coming to the Sturgis Rally every August. We had every crime the major cities have, just not always as often as they have it, but I know what its like to be a cop. Job #1 is stay safe and go home at the end of the day. That does not mean you can't treat people with RESPECT. We had a good relationship with the community because the effort was made to be professional, even when tackling someone and had cuffing them. I've had people apologise for resisting because I pick them up, dust them off and continue calling them sir as I put them in the back seat for that trip to jail. With my experience and training in the profession (I'm no longer in LE, I'm back in the military) I would agree with most of you that the culture within the law enforcement community in NJ is bad. These cops have the perception as being assholes because they are robotic and impersonal and talk to people like they're 2nd class citizens. They really have a bad way of projecting themselves and they are either not aware of it or do not care. I suspect it's a bit of both. They probably don't care that people don't like them because they deal with 1% of society but that 1% is always the bad people. It's easy to get into your mind that "everyone is a criminal" because everyone you deal with is a criminal. After a while, if 100% of the people you deal with are criminals, you think 100% of society is that way and you start treating them that way. What they probably are not aware of is the fact that a lot of citizens already have a disdain for the government as a whole because we are over-taxed, over-regulated and are sick to death of crooked politicians at every level from local school boards all the way up to the Governor. Cops are part of the same government so their image is affected by that as well. I'll end this here since its really off topic for the thread title. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted September 5, 2018 sept 5th, anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phiremin 8 Posted September 5, 2018 2 hours ago, revenger said: sept 5th, anything? I think we might need to be patient. This is probably the biggest case of this judges career. No matter what he decides, the other side will appeal to the 3rd Circuit. There is an excellent chance that whatever he does will be part of the record on a case that will be heard by the Supreme Court. He isn’t just going to bang out an answer. He is going to do his homework, research case law and dot every “I” and cross every “t”. Don’t be shocked if we wait a while for this. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted September 5, 2018 On 8/31/2018 at 0:04 AM, Malice4you said: The parties are scheduled to submit closing briefs on the injunction motion on September 4, followed by telephonic oral argument on September 6. From the email above. I wouldn’t expect to hear anything until tomorrow or later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 5, 2018 Summer doesn't end til September 22nd. So I wouldn't expect anything before then. If there is great. Still gives us 3 months to do nothing. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, capt14k said: Still gives us 3 months to do nothing. What do you mean "do nothing"? Aren't you taking your 15 rounders to the range now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phiremin 8 Posted September 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, Sniper22 said: What do you mean "do nothing"? Aren't you taking your 15 rounders to the range now? The law is kind of vague. While you have 6 months to get rid of them, you aren’t allowed to transport them. In December, I guess they just need to magically disappear. A range my friend goes to sent an email around saying “no more 15 round mags”, but I assume most places are taking more of a “don’t ask don’t tell” approach for now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted September 5, 2018 I stopped at Cabelas in Maine yesterday on the way back from a Maine vacation. I have points to burn so I stopped in and was turned down for a Ruger semi .22 rifle. It has a 15 round mag and we’re already on their restricted list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted September 5, 2018 so from the day the law was signed until today or until it goes into effect how many of our legally purchased and owned magazines have been used by us ( law abiding citizens) to COMMIT crimes? How many kids have been mowed down in homerooms across the state ? One would think that if these devices are as bad as the enemy says wouldn't one think they would have been removed from our hands a long time ago rather than allow us to handle them. this kind of shows that their law is only punitive for us republicans, constitutionalists , origanalists , patriots or what ever you wish to be called. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 5, 2018 What do you mean "do nothing"? Aren't you taking your 15 rounders to the range now? Do nothing meaning not changing anything from what I was doing before. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
345Sire 158 Posted September 6, 2018 On 9/5/2018 at 9:41 AM, voyager9 said: From the email above. I wouldn’t expect to hear anything until tomorrow or later. The wheels of justice move slowly. Even more so when the gears are globbed up with New Jersey molasses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted September 7, 2018 8 hours ago, 345Sire said: The wheels of justice move slowly. Even more so when the gears are globbed up with New Jersey molasses. You got the molASSES part right. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
345Sire 158 Posted September 7, 2018 I was gonna put quote marks around that part, but was TRYING to keep calm, didn't want to start ranting. Getting more and more P.O.ed every week with what the "people in charge here" are doing to what used to be a great place to live. (and there I go,,,,,,,rant truncated) Thank YOU for adding the proper emphasis to it for me. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reloaderguy 30 Posted September 8, 2018 On 9/5/2018 at 0:14 PM, Sniper22 said: What do you mean "do nothing"? Aren't you taking your 15 rounders to the range now? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted September 10, 2018 what's the date the "grace period" ends and we can get arrested for possessing these dangerous devices? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, n4p226r said: what's the date the "grace period" ends and we can get arrested for possessing these dangerous devices? December 13th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted September 12, 2018 yawn.................sept 11th, no updates on ANJRPC yet, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gun nut 35 Posted September 12, 2018 Crickets! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galapoola 102 Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/5/2018 at 2:27 PM, revenger said: so from the day the law was signed until today or until it goes into effect how many of our legally purchased and owned magazines have been used by us ( law abiding citizens) to COMMIT crimes? How many kids have been mowed down in homerooms across the state ? One would think that if these devices are as bad as the enemy says wouldn't one think they would have been removed from our hands a long time ago rather than allow us to handle them. this kind of shows that their law is only punitive for us republicans, constitutionalists , origanalists , patriots or what ever you wish to be called. It's death by 1000 cuts. Look at CA, they are constantly introducing firearm bills. There is no end in sight because the end game has always been to legislate the 2A out of existence. In dark rooms any of these guys would admit their preference, no gun ownership by private citizens. Everything they do is reasonable and for the children, same tropes, same playbook, different day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites