Mitchell's Mausers

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

Any thoughts on Mitchell's Mausers? I have a friend that wants to sell his K98 (rated at Premium he says). 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,

S. 

[capt14k 2,052]

ROFLMFAO I think that is the best acronym to use for Mitchell's Mausers and the word Premium in the same sentence.


If you want a Yugo Mauser with fake German Stamps that has been refinished go for it.

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[skruft 1]

I have a Yugo M48 from Mitchells. It was satisfactory. I upgraded the trigger, which was very rough, and the firing pin spring, which was not strong enough for military ammo with hard primers.  

[BMWR12 35]

A Mitchell’s K98 is probably worth less than a mismatch K98 that was dragged behind a T34.

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

Okay guys, tell me how you really feel.... lol.  

@Capt14k   Can explain in a little more detail?     

From my understanding the Nazi's took over the Yugo production plant. The rifle is a M48 and according to the certificate he showed me, has been in storage since WW2. It also has all matching part numbers. 

So is the rifle no good or the asking price? 

[Damjan 73]

Here is a bit of information on Mitchell as i am somewhat familiar of where he s been getting them for years. 

Many of Mitchells mausers come from Ex-Yugoslavia successor states where they were sitting in surplus National Guard armories since the early 50s. Yes, The Nazis did take over the production in the 1941-1944 time periods but these guns were made after Tito`s conflict with Stalin in the 1948-1953 tim period.

I ve seen pictures of him purchasing them from the Macedonian Army depots in the early 90s when i lived over there. They have no collector value as he embellishes the story behind them and he s been known to re stamp old guns and surplus guns that were used (most were in storage but some issued during the 90s Yugo Wars). So although he claims this you dont have a guarantee that you ll get a 100% never fired gun as Mitchells refinishes some of them and nowadays most i believe.

As they became obsolete with the SKS being introduced in the 50s because it was a semi and became the standard Yugo Army Rifle until 1972 (AKs started being issued) they still remained in storage and ultimately were sold to Mitchell and surplus dealers for sales in Canada,US and such. They also were used in classrooms for demonstration and learning the gun and disassembly (we had preparatory classes for 2 years to prepare you for mandatory service) as well as going to the range and shooting them when you "Graduate". I was in the last generation of recruits that went through this process training on an M48 and had an SKS issued to me in Basic Training for 3 months.

What you do get is a new shooter grade gun....which you can use and shoot and hunt maybe (a Slovenian acquaintance of mine hunts with it in Alaska). 

I have one that i bought from a forum member a few years ago and its an M48. 

[capt14k 2,052]

Okay guys, tell me how you really feel.... lol.  [mention=8404]Capt14k[/mention]   Can explain in a little more detail?      From my understanding the Nazi's took over the Yugo production plant. The rifle is a M48 and according to the certificate he showed me, has been in storage since WW2. It also has all matching part numbers. 

So is the rifle no good or the asking price? 

 

 

That is not true.  

M48 is an intermediate action post war Mauser. Nazis did not take over Yugo Mausers. It is the other way around. Yugoslavia post war ended up with K98k. Yugoslavia added their stamps and sometimes left Nazi marks. They call that a M98/48 also Gew 98 were converted to M98/48 as well.

 

Those morons at Mitchell's have gotten away with that BS story somehow. There is no way Nazi marks were added to an intermediate action Mauser made in 1948 of later except by Mitchell's adding them.

 

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[Screwball 483]

From my understanding the Nazi's took over the Yugo production plant. The rifle is a M48 and according to the certificate he showed me, has been in storage since WW2. It also has all matching part numbers. 
So is the rifle no good or the asking price?

How did the Nazis take over production of a rifle line that started in 1948? Last time I checked, World War II ended in 1945...

[pasu0115 200]

Screwball and others are correct. Yugoslavian M48's are all postwar made, from 1948 until sometime in the early 50's. Yugoslavian 24/47 model rifles are pre world war 2 rifles that were in existence during world war 2 and were refurbished starting in 1947. If the price is good and you want a great shooting rifle, buy it. I have an M48 and a 24/47 that are both really accurate.

[capt14k 2,052]

I have a near perfect all matching Yugo M48A for sale sans fake Mitchell's Nazi stamps. At least it has some collector value. The A is the same except a couple parts were stamped.

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[capt14k 2,052]

Then there is also IMO the best of the Yugos the M24/52c which were refurbished from Czech vz24.

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[capt14k 2,052]

Here is a bit of information on Mitchell as i am somewhat familiar of where he s been getting them for years. 
Many of Mitchells mausers come from Ex-Yugoslavia successor states where they were sitting in surplus National Guard armories since the early 50s. Yes, The Nazis did take over the production in the 1941-1944 time periods but these guns were made after Tito`s conflict with Stalin in the 1948-1953 tim period.
I ve seen pictures of him purchasing them from the Macedonian Army depots in the early 90s when i lived over there. They have no collector value as he embellishes the story behind them and he s been known to re stamp old guns and surplus guns that were used (most were in storage but some issued during the 90s Yugo Wars). So although he claims this you dont have a guarantee that you ll get a 100% never fired gun as Mitchells refinishes some of them and nowadays most i believe.
As they became obsolete with the SKS being introduced in the 50s because it was a semi and became the standard Yugo Army Rifle until 1972 (AKs started being issued) they still remained in storage and ultimately were sold to Mitchell and surplus dealers for sales in Canada,US and such. They also were used in classrooms for demonstration and learning the gun and disassembly (we had preparatory classes for 2 years to prepare you for mandatory service) as well as going to the range and shooting them when you "Graduate". I was in the last generation of recruits that went through this process training on an M48 and had an SKS issued to me in Basic Training for 3 months.
What you do get is a new shooter grade gun....which you can use and shoot and hunt maybe (a Slovenian acquaintance of mine hunts with it in Alaska). 
I have one that i bought from a forum member a few years ago and its an M48. 

Thank you for the direct knowledge.


However the Nazis never actually produced rifles in Yugoslavia as far as I know. They closed the Uzice factory soon after taking it over April 15, 1941, and focused on industries related to aircraft production in other Yugoslavian factories. They felt most of the arms found were of second class. The partisans on October 10, 1941 reoccupied the factory and found 15,000 Gew 98 barrels and other parts and began assembling rifles.

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[Damjan 73]

According to what i recall form reading some Yugo forums long time ago the production was moved to Germany along with Machines and some workers. So you are correct on this.  Zastava was never in the town of Uzice but in Kragujevac.  The ammo factory is in Uzice (PPU). 

 

[capt14k 2,052]

According to what i recall form reading some Yugo forums long time ago the production was moved to Germany along with Machines and some workers. So you are correct on this.  Zastava was never in the town of Uzice but in Kragujevac.  The ammo factory is in Uzice (PPU). 

 

I was quoting Branko's book. I don't recall him mentioning Zastava. He definitely writes Uzice. Was Zastava damaged beyond use or run by Hungarians?

 

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[Damjan 73]

I heavent read Branko`s book but i believe the information.He is the supreme authority on all Yugo Mausers unlike Mitchell ha ha......

[capt14k 2,052]

I heavent read Branko`s book but as he is the supreme authority on all Yugo Mausers unlike Mitchell ha ha......

It is filled with stats. I wish I bought 10 of them when they were $20. Last I saw they were over $100.

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[Damjan 73]

Ha, I was editing my post when you quoted me. I believe the information form the book more than anyone. I ve read about him in many Yugo forums. 

With this said.....time to clean out the M48 and shoot that puppy again. 

 

[Oakridgefirearms 224]

I have several (non Mitchell's) Yugo Mausers for sale if anyone is looking for one - 24/47, M48A, M48B

 

All are very nice

[myhatinthering 462]

I'd buy one but for 2-225 area

[capt14k 2,052]

I'd buy one but for 2-225 area

Non matching not great condition that would be the right price.


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I have several (non Mitchell's) Yugo Mausers for sale if anyone is looking for one - 24/47, M48A, M48B
 
All are very nice

Any Yugo Contract All Matching? Syrian, Iranian, Egyptian?


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[Oakridgefirearms 224]

7 minutes ago, capt14k said:

 

Non matching not great condition that would be the right price.


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Any Yugo Contract All Matching? Syrian, Iranian, Egyptian?


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Not in front of them right now, but from what I recall these were all matching, nice condition, older imports. I don't recall any of them being contract Mausers. I'll need to look at them again.

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

On 7/21/2018 at 0:40 PM, Screwball said:

 

How did the Nazis take over production of a rifle line that started in 1948? Last time I checked, World War II ended in 1945...

 

My mistake. I said it backwards. 

[Oakridgefirearms 224]

Any idea what these markings are? It's on a RC German K98K

 

I've looked around and can't figure out what they are

[capt14k 2,052]

Any idea what these markings are? It's on a RC German K98K   I've looked around and can't figure out what they are

 

 

Need more pics.

 

Edit: I am leaning towards Chinese Knockoff.

 

 

 

 

[pasu0115 200]

2 hours ago, capt14k said:

Need more pics. You sure it isnt a Czech vz24 used by Germans and then converted to a Yugo M98? 

 

Or could be a post war Czech K98k

 

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CS BERNO appears to be the wrong spelling for Czech, I have always seen it Spelled BRNO.  Also not German, they spell it Brunn. Not Yugoslavian as they usually use Cyrillic. Maybe some other Eastern European or Turkish? 

Unusual marking. 

Post it in the K98 forum on gunboards. Some serious knowledge there!

 

[Oakridgefirearms 224]

It's a byf 41 date. I can't find anything about what those other markings mean and don't know what language it's in - certainly not German.

[capt14k 2,052]

It's a byf 41 date. I can't find anything about what those other markings mean and don't know what language it's in - certainly not German.

 

 

Can you post more pics. Sides and top of receiver and barrel. Stock markings. Waffenampts,Lions, or any other type of mark.

 

 

More I look I am thinking Chinese Knockoff. Definitely need more pics. Whole thing can be fake.

 

 

 

[CageFighter 236]

I have a Mitchell's Mauser M48 Collector grade.  Any idea on its worth?  Been sitting in my safe a while, i never fired it & its collecting dust.  I think its time to move it. 

[Screwball 483]

Four years back, I paid $295 for an excellent condition M48A, with bayonet. Immaculate shape. Not Mitchell.

Looking at realistic GunBroker sale prices... probably between $350 and $450. I’d likely say on the lower end, due to Mitchell. I see some outliers in the $600 to $700 range... but it will sit unless you get someone ignorant of surplus rifles, that just wants a “Mauser.” It’s a shooter... pretty much.

Don't expect $1,900... like the one Mitchell M48 I saw on that sale search; “Nazi Matching.”