myhatinthering 462 Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, gleninjersey said: Heller or McDonald (I forget which) I believe said you can't have qualifications, like justifiable need, on rights. One of the reasons DC permitting process fell. Surprised Jersey hasn't fallen. Soon though. Soon. I'm surprised too, need to challenge 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, PK90 said: Also, when it is 115 degrees, I am not wearing an outer garment. I know, temps and job affects my decision like no other. I do "sneaky pete" when I have to. Alright. Let’s keep it clean here. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, BobA said: Alright. Let’s keep it clean here. If your world is upside down.. the 6 th circuit looks like a 9? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, Zeke said: If your world is upside down.. the 6 th circuit looks like a 9? In my world I’d put the two numbers together. But then I’d be like @PK90 running around without outer garments playing sneaky Pete. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mossburger 406 Posted July 25, 2018 2 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said: ......ummm retention holsters......yes the police have them I'm well aware of what a retention holster is. I've carried with one plenty of times, in NJ too, when I used to have a carry permit here. If could carry today in an ideal world, it would probably be a mix of open and concealed, mostly dependent on what I'm wearing that day. That said, I stand by my comments that open carry is most certainly not for everyone to do. However, it is up to the individual to come to that conclusion, not the nanny state. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JC_68Westy 1,024 Posted July 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Mrs. Peel said: I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I've never really understand the inherent advantage of "open carry" anyway. Why on earth would you want everyone around you to know that you're armed? Don't you make yourself one of the "first targets" if some bad guy wants to hold up the bank or store (where you have the bad luck of being at the same time)? Isn't an element of surprise (concealed carry) infinitely better? I dunno, does the fact that I'm a woman perhaps impact my opinion?... I feel I could be surprised and swiftly overpowered by someone... and now THEY have MY gun. Ugh. So, I really can't see advertising that you're carrying, and that's what "open carry" does IMO. Anyway, I don't pretend to know a lot about this topic... just giving my gut reaction! And, yes, I agree... the 9th will overturn this en banc... and we're right back to where we were... though, NOT EXACTLY! We'll be a little bit better off. Because we'll have Thomas and Gorsuch who are already chomping at the bit to take on a 2A case AND we'll probably have Kavanaugh in the mix, who seems more reliably conservative than Kennedy. Fingers crossed!! Of course, I'd love to see NJ's case be the one to be heard by SCOTUS! It means when a case is heard by ALL the judges of a court, not a small panel of its members. And the 9th is a VERY liberal court - so that would swing the decision left. Where I am in VA now people open carry everywhere. You see people at the supermarket, main street, Wal-Mart, the park, etc. It is a way of life here. I personally CCW everywhere except when hiking. I do believe that it is a deterrent. Most people here carry a gun either concealed or open and everyone knows it. We don't have shootings and people are very polite. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,148 Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, JC_68Westy said: We don't have shootings and people are very polite. So, it's true...? An armed society is a polite society. 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said: So, it's true...? An armed society is a polite society. You meet the nicest people at the range. The meanest on da internet 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted July 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said: So, it's true...? An armed society is a polite society. I would agree, most people I've meet have been very sociable and willing to help with any questions or problems. A number of them also offered the opportunity to try something I didn't have or couldn't afford. Just happened last week when I went. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bklynracer said: I would agree, most people I've meet have been very sociable and willing to help with any questions or problems. A number of them also offered the opportunity to try something I didn't have or couldn't afford. Just happened last week when I went. That’s because we are us. But if the carry thing happens then they will be them and not us. Got it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, BobA said: That’s because we are us. But if the carry thing happens then they will be them and not us. Got it? Huh? we are all we Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted July 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, BobA said: That’s because we are us. But if the carry thing happens then they will be them and not us. Got it? Kind of. But I think the good us will always be good. If I read it right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zeke said: Huh? we are all we We are in it for the love of sport. We respect our guns. If the door opens as wide as it may they’ll be people in for different reasons with different attitudes toward it. It’ll be interesting to say the least. Just now, Bklynracer said: Kind of. But I think the good us will always be good. If I read it right. You do. And we will. But there’ll be others that could change the face of things. I still want it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted July 26, 2018 5 hours ago, siderman said: A quick look up of the Chief Justice, Sydney Thomas. Nominated by Clinton and was also interviewed by Obama for the Supreme position Kagen now has. Hope he's not a tie breaker. Here's the thing with the 9th, even dead judges can cast deciding votes 4 months after they died. Cripto voting is not just for elections. http://yalejreg.com/nc/nearly-four-months-after-his-death-judge-reinhardt-casts-the-deciding-vote-in-an-important-tax-exceptionalism-case-altera-v-commissioner-of-internal-revenue/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mossburger 406 Posted July 26, 2018 56 minutes ago, BobA said: We are in it for the love of sport. We respect our guns. If the door opens as wide as it may they’ll be people in for different reasons with different attitudes toward it. It’ll be interesting to say the least. You do. And we will. But there’ll be others that could change the face of things. I still want it though. Just to point out to everyone, BobA has a good point. In NJ you think you know "gun owners" but you don't. You just know a small group of enthusiasts, because that's pretty much the only people you'll encounter at a gun range here, even double so at a private club. In other places, anyone can own a gun pretty much, except the usual prohibitions. So you get "all sorts". Still, doesn't mean we shouldn't hope for it to be like that here. I'd rather have "all sorts" than only the chosen few as it is now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,148 Posted July 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, mossburger said: Just to point out to everyone, BobA has a good point. In NJ you think you know "gun owners" but you don't. You just know a small group of enthusiasts, because that's pretty much the only people you'll encounter at a gun range here, even double so at a private club. In other places, anyone can own a gun pretty much, except the usual prohibitions. So you get "all sorts". Still, doesn't mean we shouldn't hope for it to be like that here. I'd rather have "all sorts" than only the chosen few as it is now. Well, as many have pointed out, "all sorts" hurtle down our highways and byways in potentially bone-crushing vehicles... and yet people purposefully running down other drivers or pedestrians is a statistical rarity. Likewise, national studies on gun crime show that legal gun owners commit gun crimes at incredibly low rates, whereas ex-cons are responsible for the lion's share of gun crime. So, I go where the facts lead me... and I'm still not the least bit worried about the law-abiding types who willingly submit to the legal process of getting a background check, getting a permit, etc. The overwhelming evidence reveals those folks are NOT the problem. So, I say: bring on the freedom... I'm confident our fellow citizens can handle it. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, mossburger said: Still, doesn't mean we shouldn't hope for it to be like that here. I'd rather have "all sorts" than only the chosen few as it is now. Yes of course we move forward. But it’ll be a game changer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted July 26, 2018 Agree with the comments, but time will tell. It seems to be working in the free states otherwise they wouldn't be free for this long. We will have to learn to make it work as they did or we could lose freedom if we ever get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bklynracer said: Agree with the comments, but time will tell. It seems to be working in the free states otherwise they wouldn't be free for this long. We will have to learn to make it work as they did or we could lose freedom if we ever get it. Agreed. Absolutely. I’m just pointing out that in the other 40 odd states there’s an inherent gun culture. They were raised with them from the cradle as tools. I suspect should this come true for us there will definitely be growing pains. An adjustment period if you will. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galapoola 102 Posted July 26, 2018 16 hours ago, myhatinthering said: what is this 'en banc' some are discussing? means all the justices will review the case, it goes before every sitting judge in the 9th circuit court of appeals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted July 26, 2018 20 hours ago, GunsnFreedom said: Unrelated, and previously discussed, there is no law in NJ against open carry of a rifle or shotgun. Although I wouldn't do it personally. Law says they can't be loaded (hunting excluded). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunsnFreedom 245 Posted July 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Silence Dogood said: Law says they can't be loaded (hunting excluded). I know about the transportation law regarding loaded weapons, but carry =/= transportation. Someone else pointed out something similar above, but that law also relates to the transportation section. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have not found a single law in reference to open carry of a rifle/shotgun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted July 26, 2018 You are right.Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 26, 2018 21 hours ago, BobA said: We are in it for the love of sport. We respect our guns. If the door opens as wide as it may they’ll be people in for different reasons with different attitudes toward it. It’ll be interesting to say the least. You do. And we will. But there’ll be others that could change the face of things. I still want it though. Good for me, not for thee is what has got us where we are. Think about it 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zeke said: Good for me, not for thee is what has got us where we are. Think about it Not saying "not for thee" at all. It needs to happen. It's very past due, but it's going to be an interesting ride none the less. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 26, 2018 38 minutes ago, BobA said: Not saying "not for thee" at all. It needs to happen. It's very past due, but it's going to be an interesting ride none the less. Concur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tunaman 538 Posted July 27, 2018 10 hours ago, GunsnFreedom said: I know about the transportation law regarding loaded weapons, but carry =/= transportation. Someone else pointed out something similar above, but that law also relates to the transportation section. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have not found a single law in reference to open carry of a rifle/shotgun. They want to keep concealed the fact that it is legal. It wont be for long at this rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted July 27, 2018 When I open carry in our kitchen I never have to do the dishes. Unless Mrs. 45Doll is also strapped. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, 45Doll said: When I open carry in our kitchen I never have to do the dishes. Unless Mrs. 45Doll is also strapped. Oh my... I see what you did there. im extremely uncomfortably intrigued 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted July 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, 45Doll said: When I open carry in our kitchen I never have to do the dishes. Unless Mrs. 45Doll is also strapped. Who's bigger? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites