Mrs. Peel 7,148 Posted August 1, 2018 KEEPNG THIS IN A PUBLIC FORUM FOR WIDEST VIEW - so, pls... no vulgarities, personal attacks, unpleasant nicknames, etc! This is an alarming article.. to me anyway... about Florida's new risk protection order law (a law which allows temporary confiscation of guns/ammo). I only mention it in this section, because of NJ's similar new law prompted by the very same Parkland event... and I'm thinking Florida's law may give us some insights into what's coming with our own in terms of actual implementation). This law has already been used OVER 450 TIMES to confiscate guns and ammo from Floridians. First of all, my god... is it me, or does that number seem stunningly high considering the law is only coming up on 5 months old? It's mentioned that some of these cases were suicidal people. So, ummm… at best, I guess they ordered a 72-hour psych hold? If that? And then what? They sent them home... to a house full of: Knives? Razor blades? Rope? Pills? Mmm, yeah...that's "common sense". On camera, a Pinellas county officer (reassuringly?) states, "we're not out hunting people down..." and yet the accompanying article mentions that particular department already has a 5-man team solely dedicated to pursuing these orders...? Huh? Seriously? Soooo, based on one terrible shooting... by a kid that put out TONS of signals that every official ignored... now there's such a pressing problem that it requires a 5-man dedicated team in just one Florida county to run around filing these orders against people? (It mentions other Florida counties have dedicated teams, too). Wow, wow... and... just WOW! Talk about Monday Morning Quarterbacking! Based on crime statistics, wouldn't all these labor hours be better directed at following up on career criminals/gangbangers and the like? So, I suspect this new Florida law is already being abused. And that's in FLORIDA... what is still a largely gun-friendly state. Believe me, I don't wish to gin up a paranoid line of thinking (as these threads are sometimes known to travel)... but I can't help but wonder how our similar law will be implemented here, in what is arguably a gun- and 2A-"unfriendly" state..? I anticipate a very bumpy ride ahead. Link: https://www.guns.com/2018/07/31/over-450-floridians-have-been-hit-with-orders-to-give-up-guns-under-new-law-videos/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Mrs. Peel said: KEEPNG THIS IN A PUBLIC FORUM FOR WIDEST VIEW - so, pls... no vulgarities, personal attacks, unpleasant nicknames, etc! This is an alarming article.. to me anyway... about Florida's new risk protection order law (a law which allows temporary confiscation of guns/ammo). I only mention it in this section, because of NJ's similar new law prompted by the very same Parkland event... and I'm thinking Florida's law may give us some insights into what's coming with our own in terms of actual implementation). This law has already been used OVER 450 TIMES to confiscate guns and ammo from Floridians. First of all, my god... is it me, or does that number seem stunningly high considering the law is only coming up on 5 months old? It's mentioned that some of these cases were suicidal people. So, ummm… at best, I guess they ordered a 72-hour psych hold? If that? And then what? They sent them home... to a house full of: Knives? Razor blades? Rope? Pills? Mmm, yeah...that's "common sense". On camera, a Pinellas county officer (reassuringly?) states, "we're not out hunting people down..." and yet the accompanying article mentions that particular department already has a 5-man team solely dedicated to pursuing these orders...? Huh? Seriously? Soooo, based on one terrible shooting... by a kid that put out TONS of signals that every official ignored... now there's such a pressing problem that it requires a 5-man dedicated team in just one Florida county to run around filing these orders against people? (It mentions other Florida counties have dedicated teams, too). Wow, wow... and... just WOW! Talk about Monday Morning Quarterbacking! Based on crime statistics, wouldn't all these labor hours be better directed at following up on career criminals/gangbangers and the like? So, I suspect this new Florida law is already being abused. And that's in FLORIDA... what is still a largely gun-friendly state. Believe me, I don't wish to gin up a paranoid line of thinking (as these threads are sometimes known to travel)... but I can't help but wonder how our similar law will be implemented here, in what is arguably a gun- and 2A-"unfriendly" state..? I anticipate a very bumpy ride ahead. Link: https://www.guns.com/2018/07/31/over-450-floridians-have-been-hit-with-orders-to-give-up-guns-under-new-law-videos/ You jus need a dL and pass nics in fl to purchase. ill bet 90% of those 450 cases are overturned. Bad law Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted August 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said: KEEPNG THIS IN A PUBLIC FORUM FOR WIDEST VIEW - so, pls... no vulgarities, personal attacks, unpleasant nicknames, etc! This is an alarming article.. to me anyway... about Florida's new risk protection order law (a law which allows temporary confiscation of guns/ammo). I only mention it in this section, because of NJ's similar new law prompted by the very same Parkland event... and I'm thinking Florida's law may give us some insights into what's coming with our own in terms of actual implementation). This law has already been used OVER 450 TIMES to confiscate guns and ammo from Floridians. First of all, my god... is it me, or does that number seem stunningly high considering the law is only coming up on 5 months old? It's mentioned that some of these cases were suicidal people. So, ummm… at best, I guess they ordered a 72-hour psych hold? If that? And then what? They sent them home... to a house full of: Knives? Razor blades? Rope? Pills? Mmm, yeah...that's "common sense". On camera, a Pinellas county officer (reassuringly?) states, "we're not out hunting people down..." and yet the accompanying article mentions that particular department already has a 5-man team solely dedicated to pursuing these orders...? Huh? Seriously? Soooo, based on one terrible shooting... by a kid that put out TONS of signals that every official ignored... now there's such a pressing problem that it requires a 5-man dedicated team in just one Florida county to run around filing these orders against people? (It mentions other Florida counties have dedicated teams, too). Wow, wow... and... just WOW! Talk about Monday Morning Quarterbacking! Based on crime statistics, wouldn't all these labor hours be better directed at following up on career criminals/gangbangers and the like? So, I suspect this new Florida law is already being abused. And that's in FLORIDA... what is still a largely gun-friendly state. Believe me, I don't wish to gin up a paranoid line of thinking (as these threads are sometimes known to travel)... but I can't help but wonder how our similar law will be implemented here, in what is arguably a gun- and 2A-"unfriendly" state..? I anticipate a very bumpy ride ahead. Link: https://www.guns.com/2018/07/31/over-450-floridians-have-been-hit-with-orders-to-give-up-guns-under-new-law-videos/ It is nothing short of frigging frightening - What ever happened to due process and presumption of innocence - our society is collapsing around us to be - " SAFE " Want to be safe from all ill's stay in mommys womb.................... Insanity 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TokenEntry 293 Posted August 1, 2018 I was reading this on TGT forum on Monday. Within the thread there is a link to FOX News article. Link - Texas Gun Talk post Regards, TokenEntry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted August 1, 2018 Did you see the recent case in NJ where a middle school student was discussing how poor the schools active shooter response plan was? Another student overheard, who told his mother he heard a student talking about shooting and guns. His mother called the school. The school called the police. The police arrived at 9:30pm to confiscate the father's guns. It's hear in the fourms I believe. This law is rife for abuse. With no due process and little to no recourse if it is abused. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,148 Posted August 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, gleninjersey said: Did you see the recent case in NJ where a middle school student was discussing how poor the schools active shooter response plan was? Another student overheard, who told his mother he heard a student talking about shooting and guns. His mother called the school. The school called the police. The police arrived at 9:30pm to confiscate the father's guns. It's hear in the fourms I believe. This law is rife for abuse. With no due process and little to no recourse if it is abused. Yeah, I did see that. Based on Florida's numbers... I now expect to hear MANY MORE cases like that one. This is starting to look like the Salem witch trials, I swear! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted August 1, 2018 Just now, Mrs. Peel said: Yeah, I did see that. Based on Florida's number... I know expect to hear MANY MORE cases like that one. This is starting to look like the Salem witch trials, I swear! Well that was the ONE case that we know about. I imagine there are several more. Especially in this nanny state where teenagers who post to social media pictures of their fun day at the range with their parents and then are suspende from high school. I'm curious if there have been special teams organized here in NJ similiar to what you mentioned to what's occured in Florida. I would imagine there are. There would almost have to be as the law requires a very swift response. I'm curious as to how many man hours are being diverted from what those officers used to do to their new task force. The most disgusting aspect of this is the entire disregard of due process, the assumption of guilt and the near zero recourse if abused. It's not even boderline Gestapo actions. It is Gestapo actions. From the Fox News article linked a few posts above. "Every petition filed under the order in Pinellas County has so far been granted by the judge, according to the report." THAT is scary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,148 Posted August 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, gleninjersey said: From the Fox News article linked a few posts above. "Every petition filed under the order in Pinellas County has so far been granted by the judge, according to the report." THAT is scary. Agreed. These judges and LEOs are now so afraid of having a "parkland" on their hands - and blamed on them - that they'll just be rubberstamping these orders and pushing them through. It seems like that's happening already. There will need to be some aggressive lawsuits filed over these new "protection orders" IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted August 2, 2018 when does the SC hit this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jm1827 284 Posted August 2, 2018 11 hours ago, gleninjersey said: Did you see the recent case in NJ where a middle school student was discussing how poor the schools active shooter response plan was? Another student overheard, who told his mother he heard a student talking about shooting and guns. His mother called the school. The school called the police. The police arrived at 9:30pm to confiscate the father's guns. It's hear in the fourms I believe. This law is rife for abuse. With no due process and little to no recourse if it is abused. If this is the case I am thinking it is there is much more to it than was in the news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted August 2, 2018 Interesting, I have heard almost nothing on the news of this and I am in Florida now. While still a bad law, you have to temper the number based on the number of people with guns and the fact that the population in Florida is more than Double that of the socialist people's republic of New Jermany, aka NJ. That said all the positive things about Florida gun laws out weigh this screwed up law. While I lived in NJ for 32 years, owned property there, paid taxes there, and was known by many I could never get a carry permit there. Here in Florida I don't own property, don't pay taxes, am known by almost no one yet I got a carry permit in 10 days. It only took 10 days because there was a technical error and it got delayed by about five days. Also here in Florida you don't even need a permit to have a loaded gun in your glove compartment (must be in a holster or case) if you don't have a permit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted August 2, 2018 If this is the case I am thinking it is there is much more to it than was in the news.It was in Millstone. Please enlighten us. I remember someone warning about Florida and offering condolences. That's right it was me. I concede Florida is better than NJ but it isn't Tennessee or other Free States. Florida falls in line with VT. Both falling fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TokenEntry 293 Posted August 2, 2018 Going by the article, it seems to be isolated to these 2 counties in FL., Broward and Pinellas. Broward county should come as no surprise since it's part to Debbie Wasserman Schultz's district. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted August 2, 2018 Fyi, This topic of RPOs and Florida confiscation was discussed on the 7/31/2018 American Armed Radio podcast. Worth listening to. He also discusses the Defcad topic. Also agree with the above post that this IS Gestapo tactics. Refer to my recent repost of my review of the book “Gun Control in the Third Reich”. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted August 2, 2018 In my opinion, the changes that the legislature made to the state duty to warn law have far worse implications the a 10 round magazine limit. "Duty to warn" now exists for suicidality as well as homicidality, even if the person is voluntary for treatment. This includes police checking for and possibly revoking a firearms id card of anyone in the household as well as removing firearms from the house, even if they are not owned by the identified patient. This is what happened to that kid in the middle school in Monmouth county. And by the way..... it wasn't just democrats that voted for this one. My senator (Doherty) was one of only 5 senators who voted no on this one. Even my republican supposedly 2a assemblymen Peterson and Demaio didn't vote no and conveniently abstained from voting. What this means in real life terms is that any public comment or joke about firearms, violence, suicide, or depression, can result in you having guns confiscated, whether by honest statements or being taken out of context by someone like a school employee. The video made reference to things needing to be "black and white." This is a very gray area and institutions like schools are going to be more scared with reporting concerns that will now have more far reaching implications. I have always been against making jokes about guns and violence, and now the stakes are much higher. The sad irony is that this law equally applies to law enforcement. The legislature has basically amended a law that will encourage people NOT to talk about depression likely creating more bad situations that will be devoid of "warning signs." 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted August 2, 2018 Howard, I hate to break it to you but you do pay taxes in FL. There are included in your rent. Also, when you went to DMV to re-register your plates and get new DLs I'm sure.they didn't do it for free. FL also has a sales tax.of between 6 - 8%. I know it's much more "free" in FL, but it ain't FREE! LOL. And while 5 days is good, and light years beyond New Jermany, let's not forgot there really should be no need.to ask for permission to exercise a right. Maybe you were out in the amazing FL sun a little too long when you wrote that. Hope you and the family are loving FL! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted August 2, 2018 Well yes that is true Glen. I was talking mostly about income taxes. Rent well that is all based on supply and demand and what market rates are - sometimes they can probably pass the property tax in other times the landlord eats it, not like it is commercial with triple net leases. My rent here for a large four bedroom three bath home with a 3 car garage and inground pool is only $50 more a month than what my daughter pays in NYC for a very small studio apartment. Yes there is sales tax and the first year DMV charge is low. Oh and what I am not paying in NJ income and property taxes more than covers the rent for the entire year. The sun is in fact hot, and so is the humidity this time of year. But we picked St Johns county as they actually have fall and some semblance of winter - a few days when you might actually see frost. The one think that is freakishly expensive here are fresh veggies, and I don't get why. While in NJ I could buy a pound of green peppers for about 79 cents here it is 79 cent for one small green pepper. Other veggies are similarly priced. Thus, each time I go to the grocery store I say "nah, too expensive" and end up buying wine instead as it is much cheaper 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted August 3, 2018 But do you have pork roll? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted August 3, 2018 Don't eat that stuff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted August 3, 2018 On 8/2/2018 at 7:07 AM, jm1827 said: If this is the case I am thinking it is there is much more to it than was in the news. such as? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted August 3, 2018 19 hours ago, father-of-three said: In my opinion, the changes that the legislature made to the state duty to warn law have far worse implications the a 10 round magazine limit. "Duty to warn" now exists for suicidality as well as homicidality, even if the person is voluntary for treatment. This includes police checking for and possibly revoking a firearms id card of anyone in the household as well as removing firearms from the house, even if they are not owned by the identified patient. This is what happened to that kid in the middle school in Monmouth county. And by the way..... it wasn't just democrats that voted for this one. My senator (Doherty) was one of only 5 senators who voted no on this one. Even my republican supposedly 2a assemblymen Peterson and Demaio didn't vote no and conveniently abstained from voting. Let's start figuring out who voted yes or abstained from voting for this bullshit, and start calling in anonymous red flags on their body guards. See how they like having body guards that aren't armed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted August 3, 2018 It's very easy to figure out go to NJ Legislature site and look at roll call.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites