capt14k 2,051 Posted September 11, 2018 If I have a pmag that is already permanently modified to 15rounds. I'm sure I can figure out a way to permanently attach it as well.Yes I just edited that part. If your magazine is fixed then the assault weapon rules do not apply however it must be a 10 round magazine in which case there is no need for registration.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 11, 2018 I don't see anyway of permantly attaching a 15 round magazine to an AR and claiming it can't be modified to 10. Permantly attach a 10 and you are done you can have adjustable stock, flash hider, bayonet lug, and grenade launcher. No different than a Yugo SKS.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted September 11, 2018 So my current 15 round mags aren't permanently modified? Are the illegal now then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted September 11, 2018 caution to all: this is a template form put out by the State Police, which is clearly erroneous----it does not change or repeal the new gun statutes and/or whatever interpretation the court may give to the new gun laws. If you choose to use this form and add more evil features to your AR, it does not create immunity from prosecution. It is also unclear how law enforcement will process this form, will they demand that you produce the firearm for inspection before signing off on it or will they simply process the form? I think you would be iill advised to add more evil features--you might be a test case 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 11, 2018 So my current 15 round mags aren't permanently modified? Are the illegal now then? And that is the trouble with NJ law. Technically no modified 15 rounds magazines should be capable of being modified to 10 rounds since they were already permanently modified to 15 rounds to be legal under the law. Sort of a catch 22.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk caution to all: this is a template form put out by the State Police, which is clearly erroneous----it does not change or repeal the new gun statutes and/or whatever interpretation the court may give to the new gun laws. If you choose to use this form and add more evil features to your AR, it does not create immunity from prosecution. It is also unclear how law enforcement will process this form, will they demand that you produce the firearm for inspection before signing off on it or will they simply process the form? I think you would be iill advised to add more evil features--you might be a test caseI think anyone who registers is out of their mind. Registration leads to confiscation. Don't believe it see California. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted September 11, 2018 Interesting question: what qualifies as a fixed magazine to take it out of the assault weapon category? California has dealt with this issue, but their statute is different then NJ. Does fixed mean, it can never be removed? Does it mean it can only be removed if you open the action and insert a new mag? Does it mean you can't remove it if you open the action and have to top reload it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 11, 2018 Interesting question: what qualifies as a fixed magazine to take it out of the assault weapon category? California has dealt with this issue, but their statute is different then NJ. Does fixed mean, it can never be removed? Does it mean it can only be removed if you open the action and insert a new mag? Does it mean you can't remove it if you open the action and have to top reload it?My guess is it would have to be at least as fixed as a SKS or FN-49. Which would mean the magazine would have to be removed using a tool. A bullet button alone probably wouldn't qualify. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, SJG said: caution to all: this is a template form put out by the State Police, which is clearly erroneous----it does not change or repeal the new gun statutes and/or whatever interpretation the court may give to the new gun laws. Also, according to the new law, there was suppose to be a $50 fee to register each one. I don't see that mentioned on the form. Stay far away from this form, we still haven't heard the outcome of the mag injunction, which could make this form moot. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 3:56 PM, PK90 said: 1990 flashback. If you registered any firearm on the current banned list, you still would be able to possess it in NJ today. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk but your kids wouldn't be able to inherit it would they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted September 11, 2018 13 hours ago, myhatinthering said: how is this legal????? it's not. pretty much ALL of nj's firearms laws are illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 11, 2018 but your kids wouldn't be able to inherit it would they?Nope. Says right on the form heir or estate of an owner of a firearm which has been registered shall within 90 days of the owners death dispose of that firearm. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted September 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, capt14k said: Nope. Says right on the form heir or estate of an owner of a firearm which has been registered shall within 90 days of the owners death dispose of that firearm. Prelude to a New Jersey SAFE Act? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted September 11, 2018 44 minutes ago, SJG said: Interesting question: what qualifies as a fixed magazine to take it out of the assault weapon category? California has dealt with this issue, but their statute is different then NJ. Does fixed mean, it can never be removed? Does it mean it can only be removed if you open the action and insert a new mag? Does it mean you can't remove it if you open the action and have to top reload it? You really can't compare NJ law with CA. NY, etc. It all depends on how NJ writes their law. That said, NJ law will be confusing when it comes to firearms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 11, 2018 Prelude to a New Jersey SAFE Act? You can bet NJ will jam more Unconstitutional Laws through. Honestly I am surprised they haven't done so yet. I'm guessing they want to wait and see how quickly their subjects comply to these laws. The majority will do as told when they are told. Then they will pass and sign the next round of laws. The only hope for relief is the Federal Courts. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted September 11, 2018 but your kids wouldn't be able to inherit it would they?I'm not dead yet. LOLChances are, a good portion of NJGF Members will move out of NJ before they die.Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted September 12, 2018 3 hours ago, PK90 said: I'm not dead yet. LOL Chances are, a good portion of NJGF Members will move out of NJ before they die. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk A good portion already have moved. Soon enough the majority of NJGF members will living outside NJ. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Smokin .50 1,907 Posted September 12, 2018 More hair-splitting than a guy lookin' for a $10K hairpiece & only gots $5 in his pockets.... ACTIONS speak louder than OPINIONS, lol! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted September 12, 2018 23 hours ago, PK90 said: I'm not dead yet. LOL Chances are, a good portion of NJGF Members will move out of NJ before they die. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Or a whole lot sooner than that. After pitching our tent in PA in the near future.... we thought Sedona looks pretty nice..... But as far as any registration of any sort, I just think thats a very bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted September 12, 2018 Sedona is (was) beautiful back in the 70s and early 80s; before the "crystal crazies" (as my grandfather termed them) moved in. For me; if I was thinking Arizona, I would be thinking Flagstaff. Hope the crystal crazies haven't taken over there, too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magnawing 5 Posted September 12, 2018 A good portion already have moved. Soon enough the majority of NJGF members will living outside NJ. I've been in Texas almost four years now...Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted September 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, W2MC said: Sedona is (was) beautiful back in the 70s and early 80s; before the "crystal crazies" (as my grandfather termed them) moved in. For me; if I was thinking Arizona, I would be thinking Flagstaff. Hope the crystal crazies haven't taken over there, too! Meth Heads? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted September 13, 2018 I like Flagstaff a lot. Sedona is gorgeous, but as noted by others, it’s a magnet for exceedingly weird people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, 10X said: I like Flagstaff a lot. Sedona is gorgeous, but as noted by others, it’s a magnet for exceedingly weird people You like flagstaff cuz of Embry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted September 13, 2018 57 minutes ago, magnawing said: I've been in Texas almost four years now... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Damn it's been that long already? Hope all is well on the opposite side of the country! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted September 13, 2018 Embry is in Prescott, which my wife prefers to Flagstaff because they don’t get the 100” of snow that Flagstaff gets. But Flagstaff is prettier, and the area surrounding it reminds me of central Idaho plus, I don’t think I want to share airspace with that many student pilots :-) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magnawing 5 Posted September 13, 2018 Damn it's been that long already? Hope all is well on the opposite side of the country!January will be four years. We're doing well, both kids working full time, wife is working for the top pediatric ophthalmologist in Texas and I can own any gun with any size magazine I want...not to mention, I can CC at church. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted September 13, 2018 January will be four years. We're doing well, both kids working full time, wife is working for the top pediatric ophthalmologist in Texas and I can own any gun with any size magazine I want...not to mention, I can CC at church. Sent from my iPad using TapatalkGreat decision to get out. Now they need to build the wall, deport the illegals already there, and change local zoning throughout Texas to 10acres. This way you keep the Left Coast and NJ/NY Liberals out too, or at least diminish their numbers.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites