greatwhite

Work is moving me from PA to NJ. I'm an avid gun collector.

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I was notified last week that I am being moved by my place of employment to NJ for at least the next 8 years or so. I have my choice of either buying a house there or free rental of a company owned house. I'll likely go with the latter but time will tell.

My question is what do I need to do about my guns? All are long arms, no pistols, no assault rifles, and nothing that I see on their 'banned list' Most of what I own are all wood stocked hunting rifles, shotguns, and a few old muskets. The total of firearms however is close to 700 or so if you count the antiques, (which from what I'm told are no longer antiques if I move to NJ). I also have a rather large stash of ammo, more than 10,000 rounds in each caliber I own.

A call to the NJ State Police told me that there may be an issue with several rifles, mainly my Marlin 62 rifles that are chambered in 30 carbine, and two 22 LR 30 Carbine tribute rifles. (Basically these are Ruger 10/22 works fitted into a 30 carbine looking stock. Functionally and mechanically its a 10/22.

I was told that I have to have something called an FPID, or Firearms Purchaser's Permit before I bring the guns in, and that I need to send each and every gun through a licensed gun dealer? The way I read the law online that shouldn't be required because I already own my guns, I'm not purchasing anything. In fact, most every rifle and shotgun was handed down to me by my father, grandfathers, and uncles over the years. Only one or two of them were bought new by me, and that was 30 years ago.

If I have to pay a dealer to ship these one at a time, I'll go broke. In fact, it would likely make me quit my job and not make the move, I'd rather work in Walmart and have my guns than lose them to what looks like a screwed up state. I'm 8 years from retirement though, I'd hate to lose that now. 

The way I read the law, I should be able to pack up my guns, and all my belongings and move to NJ, I don't see any reason why I need any purchaser permit of any sort since I don't intend to 'purchase' any guns while in NJ. I reload my own shot shells and brass so I likely won't be buying any ammo there either, which I'm told is a real headache. I did notice when I was there last month that most places don't sell ammo. Walmart had no guns or ammo, Dick's had big signs up about having proper 'credentials' to purchase ammo. I asked about buying shot shells and was told I need to fill out a form, sign my name, and provide my driver's license and FPID card for photo copy to buy a 5 pack of shot shells they had on sale. Here I just go down to Walmart, or the local gas station for that matter and buy what I need. They wouldn't even show me a shotgun without first seeing a firearms card and DL.

Is it law that I have to have a NJ FPID card just to move there with my guns?  (By the way, I've had a non-resident hunting license in NJ for 30 years, never once did I need any firearms permit or card to deer or duck hunt there.

 

 

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Been discussed before - note that NJ is going to a 10 round mag limit.  also there is a 6 round limit that applies to SEMI AUTO shotguns - not pumps

You are going to find NJ is a pain in the as...er neck..to deal with, but manageable.  You will find that many think they know what they are talking about...but have no clue about what the NJ law says...including the police!  Your gunz are yours - they do NOT need to go thru a dealer.  Also note there is NO "firearm registration" required in NJ - there is a NJSP 'form' floating around, but note the voluntary at the top.....dont fill it out!  The state pd does have a site that covers the basics - https://www.njsp.org/firearms/

There is no such thing as an antique/black powder exemption in nj - they are all treated the same.

While not a requirement, You are going to need a firearm id card to survive the NJ BS laws.  Its forms, fingerprints, and 30-90 days of waiting for the slower-n-molasses processing.  Then you can buy long guns and pistol ammo with minimal hassle.  pistol purchase requires a purchaser form...jokingly called a permission slip...its good for 90 days and is 1 pistol per permit per month.  this is in addition to the firearm card.

look at this site - it contains a pretty good synopsis of the nj rules.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Jersey

pay particular attention to the list of banned guns.  the questions you have on 30 cal carbine are related to this - all m1 carbines are banned; not all guns that can chamber a 30 cal carbine round.  I cant tell you about your 10/22 lookalikes.  someone else probably can.

Wiki has decent info - note that while NJ is considered a 'may issue' state with regards to a concealed-carry permit.....fuggetaboutit...you will never get one.

There is a lot more - but its 3 am.  i am sure you will receive a lot of commentary.

 

Also...700?  thats a huge collection by anybody's yardstick!

 

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No, fpid is not necessary but highly recommend you get it.. better safe than sorry..

Also pretty darn sure you dont have to transfer 700 pieces thru a dealer. Thatd cost tons of money and the permitting process alone for the handguns would be a huge pain in the ass. As long as they are legal im 99% sure you could just bring them when you move... that said i aint a lawyer so itd be best if you got professional advice. Just sayin whoever you spoke to isnt a good source.

No limit on ammo quantities either just on magazines and such. 

Most important thing is to make sure your firearms are all legal. Read into the "evil features" and all.

I could see the headlines.. "madman with arsenal and hundreds of thousands of ammunition bullets caught smuggling dangerous guns into state via gun show loophole" or some stupid crud like that lol.

Do your homework. And get an FID asap.

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Lovely that the NJSP is giving out bad information.  They say "maybe" on your .30 and that your guns "need" to go thru a FFL. That is hogwash. If the guns are NJ legal, you are good to go.

The Ruger 10-22 M1 is sold in NJ. That tells me it is legal. The Marlin 62 is a lever gun, so that is good to go as well. 

Your only real issue would be with bringing in any AR/AKs or the like. Then you get to play the "is it banned/evil feature" game.

Just keep the magazine capacities in mind. Semi auto shotgun is 6 (no pistol grips!), semi auto anything else was 15 rounds and is going to be 10 rounds shortly. The 10 round limit is being challenged in court. We should know more on that soon. FYI...Semi autos rifles with tube magazines are now exempt from the magazine limits, aka Marlin 60. I bought one with a 17 round magazine last month.

FPID lets you buy handgun ammo, buy long guns as often as you want and carry an unloaded long gun in your trunk anywhere you go (except federally banned locations....schools, government offices etc). FPID is not needed to buy shotgun or rifle ammo, but some FFLs (Dicks) require it. Some FFLs say you need a FPID to handle their guns in the showroom, but that is not the law. I avoid those shops.

I can't even imagine the logistics of moving 700 guns and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo.

Where are you moving to?

Best of luck.

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You have learned an important lesson, never ask the police a question on guns and expect to get a correct answer.  As others have said don't register your long guns, and no FFL is needed assuming you acquired all of them legally where you reside.  Your only real concern is that none are on the banned list and that they don't have too many of what NJ calls evil features.  Also pay attention to Mag capacities.  FID is good to have, but not needed to just have the guns in your home.

That said, if they will let you rent a house for free just keep your existing home in PA also and leave your stuff there - you really don't want to be a sole resident of the socialist people's republic of New Jermany.  Take from me, a recent escapee now a citizen of the free state of Florida.  Good luck.

 

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7 hours ago, greatwhite said:

I was notified last week that I am being moved by my place of employment to NJ for at least the next 8 years or so. I have my choice of either buying a house there or free rental of a company owned house. I'll likely go with the latter but time will tell.

My question is what do I need to do about my guns? All are long arms, no pistols, no assault rifles, and nothing that I see on their 'banned list' Most of what I own are all wood stocked hunting rifles, shotguns, and a few old muskets. The total of firearms however is close to 700 or so if you count the antiques, (which from what I'm told are no longer antiques if I move to NJ). I also have a rather large stash of ammo, more than 10,000 rounds in each caliber I own.

A call to the NJ State Police told me that there may be an issue with several rifles, mainly my Marlin 62 rifles that are chambered in 30 carbine, and two 22 LR 30 Carbine tribute rifles. (Basically these are Ruger 10/22 works fitted into a 30 carbine looking stock. Functionally and mechanically its a 10/22.

I was told that I have to have something called an FPID, or Firearms Purchaser's Permit before I bring the guns in, and that I need to send each and every gun through a licensed gun dealer? The way I read the law online that shouldn't be required because I already own my guns, I'm not purchasing anything. In fact, most every rifle and shotgun was handed down to me by my father, grandfathers, and uncles over the years. Only one or two of them were bought new by me, and that was 30 years ago.

If I have to pay a dealer to ship these one at a time, I'll go broke. In fact, it would likely make me quit my job and not make the move, I'd rather work in Walmart and have my guns than lose them to what looks like a screwed up state. I'm 8 years from retirement though, I'd hate to lose that now. 

The way I read the law, I should be able to pack up my guns, and all my belongings and move to NJ, I don't see any reason why I need any purchaser permit of any sort since I don't intend to 'purchase' any guns while in NJ. I reload my own shot shells and brass so I likely won't be buying any ammo there either, which I'm told is a real headache. I did notice when I was there last month that most places don't sell ammo. Walmart had no guns or ammo, Dick's had big signs up about having proper 'credentials' to purchase ammo. I asked about buying shot shells and was told I need to fill out a form, sign my name, and provide my driver's license and FPID card for photo copy to buy a 5 pack of shot shells they had on sale. Here I just go down to Walmart, or the local gas station for that matter and buy what I need. They wouldn't even show me a shotgun without first seeing a firearms card and DL.

Is it law that I have to have a NJ FPID card just to move there with my guns?  (By the way, I've had a non-resident hunting license in NJ for 30 years, never once did I need any firearms permit or card to deer or duck hunt there.

 

 

Quit your job and work at Walmart Teva is not worth it....just a guess on the company. 

 

NJ sucks... dont do it 

 

 

I seriously and with the strongest affirmation...do NOT DO IT FOR ANY REASON .....

 

AND STOP CALLING THE NJSP...THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND 

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55 minutes ago, USRifle30Cal said:

Quit your job and work at Walmart Teva is not worth it....just a guess on the company. 

 

NJ sucks... dont do it 

 

 

I seriously and with the strongest affirmation...do NOT DO IT FOR ANY REASON .....

 

AND STOP CALLING THE NJSP...THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND 

Take his advice!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not to be mr doom, but what about the ramifications of the new feel good law that was recently passed. If his new neighbors get wind of that many firearms, they will call the police on this “gun nut”, citing major insecurity. Your entire collection will be immediately confiscated under the new law. 

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1 hour ago, SW9racer said:

Not to be mr doom, but what about the ramifications of the new feel good law that was recently passed. If his new neighbors get wind of that many firearms, they will call the police on this “gun nut”, citing major insecurity. Your entire collection will be immediately confiscated under the new law. 

THIS!!!! Never tell a neighbor anything about your collection. 1 phone call could really jam you up.

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5 hours ago, Howard said:

As others have said don't register your long guns,

Don't register ANY firearms.  Don't register rifles, shotguns or handguns.  It's is not a requirement, it's not a law.

What about that place in PA where you can store firearms?

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The company I work for owns my current house, my current PA address is a PO box. Commuting is not an option, it would be nearly a 4 hour drive.

I don't have any handguns, all my guns are hunting rifles and shot guns. None are AK/AR types. I don't intend to purchase any new guns, I have everything I need or want and duplicates of many of them. I work in the restaurant/hotel business, the company I work for owns thousands of houses in NJ, PA, SC, CO, and FL.

I've always just lived in company supplied housing, it makes moving around a lot easier and I don't have a property tax bill to deal with. My job also supplies the vehicle that I drive, it was part of the deal when I first took the job in 1995. The vehicles are registered in various states, the one I've been driving lately is registered in NJ, the last one had Colorado tags. I've worked in PA, SC, and FL for this company. I'd be moving to the Atlantic City area. They own houses all over southern NJ. Where ever I go, I need to be sure there's room for my boats, fishing tackle, firearms, motorcycles, and dogs. The company pays for a facilitates the move, I just have to say where. The main hold up right now is that the house I want is currently occupied. They wont be able to free it up for another month.

It would be nice to find a place where I can set up my own firing range on the property but right now that's not an option. If the FPID card is a 'purchase ID or permit', I don't see what good it will do me?  Where I'm at now, I can shoot in my backyard, I took a bulldozer and made a huge U shaped burm and use that as a backstop. The neighbors don't care.

Nearly every firearm I own was inherited, where they were bought or where they originally came from is pretty much unknown as most are older than I am. When my grandfather passed away, more than 40 years ago his 320 hunting rifles and shotguns became mine by default. The same with most of the other guns I own. Most are too old to even have numbers on them. They are currently stored in crates in a spare room with a steel door, they would supply me with the same where ever I decide to move to.

What business if of my neighbors how many guns I own?

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2 minutes ago, greatwhite said:

What business if of my neighbors how many guns I own?

It's none of their business. But, folks are referring to one of the new  laws passed by NJ... sometimes called red flag laws, or gun violence restraining orders... just think of it as a "snitch law". Someone can express non-validated concerns about you: "He looked at me funny. He made a threat" etc. - and a temporary order to remove your guns will be drawn up and your firearms seized.

If they lied? No penalty to them. That's not part of the law. You, however, will now be responsible to hire a lawyer at your own expense to try to get your property back - a process that will be long, drawn out and extremely costly. NJ is just one of the latest states to pass these... they are an abomination in terms of "due process".  We don't call this state New Germany for nothing! You really need to mull your options. If your company has thousands of properties, can't they find one right over the border in PA - so you can still commute in?

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Youll have a tough time buying ammo, joining a range, etc. without an FID. Id get one to be safe, rather than risk being pulled over while transporting and having to explain why you dont have an fid. As you can now tell by your misinforming convo with the state police, most officers in this state are clueless about the actual laws.

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59 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

If they lied? No penalty to them. That's not part of the law.

That is not entirely true.  One could file a civil suit against their accuser.

I dunno much about south Jersey but many town down there are not as anti gun as say, Jersey City or Camden.  Wherever you move, check the NJ political map and stick with red districts.  They will be more 2A friendly than the shitholes the Dems control.

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1 minute ago, Scorpio64 said:

That is not entirely true.  One could file a civil suit against their accuser.

Forgive me, I wasn't clear. What I meant to say is that the particular law itself could provide for penalty for false accusation, but it doesn't. Thus, it leaves the accused not only saddled with legal fees to get their guns back... but also saddled with legal fees to pursue a civil suit. That's a lot of money to lay out that most people can't afford.

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"room for my 700 hundred rifles, boats, fishing tackle, firearms, motorcycles, and dogs"  I'm looking for new friends.  You're hired!

But seriously, review the laws and make sure nothing exempt by name.  Then nothing over 10 rounds thanks to our new commie governor.  Store what you can't bring with you! 

Welcome to The People's Republic Of New Jersey.  

 

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6 minutes ago, gleninjersey said:

"room for my 700 hundred rifles, boats, fishing tackle, firearms, motorcycles, and dogs"  I'm looking for new friends.  You're hired!

 

 

:mutley:I just want a job like he has!:)

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Being right over the line in PA isn't an option, it would put me too far from where I need to be. I'm not looking for a 2 hour commute across the state, and Philly isn't an option. The properties are all over the place but most are near water or on lakes. Neither of which are a priority to me. Secure with lots of space is the goal.

The place I'm in now is roughly 2400 sq ft. with a drive in basement and a four car garage behind the house. We converted one interior room to a steel door type vault for my guns and other expensive toys with no one but me having access. The one house I'm considering is in Cumberland Co. I'd be next to the daughter of the owner of the company on one side, and another employee on the other. They own 12 properties in that area and most of the surrounding property. There's a four car detached garage and a two car attached to the house. It was originally to be a development with a lake but they couldn't get the approval for the lake so it died after only a handful of houses were built. The field outback looks like prime deer hunting area to me.

I still don't see where the FPID card is needed? What will it do for me? Other than letting them know I have guns?

I'll be back and forth between PA, NJ, and other locations all the time, I can buy my ammo there, where its cheaper, but to be honest, I don't foresee ever buying any ammo in NJ at what they charge there. Its cheaper to order online or buy over here.
Besides, I reload all my own brass.

Most of the shooting I'll be doing will be on private land or at any of the public ranges. I was at one down south there last summer and we had the place pretty much to ourselves all day, just the two of us and a couple of off duty cops shooting with their kids.
We had PA tags on the trucks and they never said a word. I was helping a buddy sight in a new Savage 110 he bought for hunting. up north.

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You should have a FID of you plan on transporting your guns out of the house. It will cover you having long guns in your vehicle no matter where you go. If you don't, make sure you are going from or to a range with no deviations (as I understand it, and yes NJ laws are extremely vague on purpose).

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3 hours ago, greatwhite said:

The company I work for owns my current house, my current PA address is a PO box. Commuting is not an option, it would be nearly a 4 hour drive.

I don't have any handguns, all my guns are hunting rifles and shot guns. None are AK/AR types. I don't intend to purchase any new guns, I have everything I need or want and duplicates of many of them. I work in the restaurant/hotel business, the company I work for owns thousands of houses in NJ, PA, SC, CO, and FL.

I've always just lived in company supplied housing, it makes moving around a lot easier and I don't have a property tax bill to deal with. My job also supplies the vehicle that I drive, it was part of the deal when I first took the job in 1995. The vehicles are registered in various states, the one I've been driving lately is registered in NJ, the last one had Colorado tags. I've worked in PA, SC, and FL for this company. I'd be moving to the Atlantic City area. They own houses all over southern NJ. Where ever I go, I need to be sure there's room for my boats, fishing tackle, firearms, motorcycles, and dogs. The company pays for a facilitates the move, I just have to say where. The main hold up right now is that the house I want is currently occupied. They wont be able to free it up for another month.

It would be nice to find a place where I can set up my own firing range on the property but right now that's not an option. If the FPID card is a 'purchase ID or permit', I don't see what good it will do me?  Where I'm at now, I can shoot in my backyard, I took a bulldozer and made a huge U shaped burm and use that as a backstop. The neighbors don't care.the fpid card is only necessary to purchase firearms, pistol ammo, and to possess your firearms outside of the exemptions. you said you don't own pistols, so you don't have that worry. but you'd need it to have your rifles anywhere that's not exempted or excepted. many ranges also want to see it for you to join.

 many townships/boroughs in nj have anti-discharge laws. you'd have to look into it in whatever township you're moving to.

Nearly every firearm I own was inherited, where they were bought or where they originally came from is pretty much unknown as most are older than I am. When my grandfather passed away, more than 40 years ago his 320 hunting rifles and shotguns became mine by default. The same with most of the other guns I own. Most are too old to even have numbers on them. They are currently stored in crates in a spare room with a steel door, they would supply me with the same where ever I decide to move to.

What business if of my neighbors how many guns I own? it is none of their business. most of my neighbors know i own firearms. but....they're ok with that, even the liberal chick and her husband. no one knows exactly what i may or may not own though.

 

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