Sniper 6,372 Posted September 18, 2018 Alert from ANJRPC: Bill Now Targets “Covert” Guns, “Undetectable” Guns, And Other Imaginary Threats Whose Manufacture Is Already Illegal in NJ Without a Manufacturer’s License Bill Could Be Enacted Into Law as Soon as Next Week Please Contact Legislators On Monday, September 17th, the New Jersey Assembly Judiciary Committee was ready with last-minute, unpublished amendments to A3129 making sweeping additions to the legislation to ban possession of so-called “covert” guns, “undetectable” non-metal guns, 3D printed guns, and other imaginary threats whose manufacture is already illegal in New Jersey without a NJ firearms manufacturer’s license. The changes also ban first-amendment-protected distribution of certain electronic files for 3D printers without a manufacturer’s license. The amended version of the bill was still unavailable on the NJ legislature website at the time this alert was released. The bill’s original redundant provisions prohibiting the acquisition of parts to manufacture unserialized firearms without a manufacturer’s license remain intact. The amended legislation focuses on imaginary threats and ignores the fact that criminals pay no attention to firearms regulations and acquire their firearms illegally. By continually demonizing the “tool du jour,” instead of severely punishing the criminal misuse of guns, lawmakers reveal an obsession with restricting law-abiding citizens – who are not the problem to begin with. The legislation could be enacted into law as soon as next week. Full voting sessions are scheduled in both the Assembly and the Senate for Thursday, September 27. The Senate, which passed its own unamended version of this legislation in June (S2465), can adopt yesterday’s changes during the voting session. Please contact every state legislator and tell them to vote no on A3129 / S2465. The legislation focuses on imaginary threats instead of severely punishing criminal misuse of firearms. Criminals will ignore it and continue to get their firearms illegally. The only ones affected are law-abiding citizens, who are not the problem to begin with. https://www.anjrpc.org/page/RedundantBillExpanded 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
345Sire 158 Posted November 4, 2018 Is there any legislation that criminalizes throwing steak knives off an overpass at pedestrians walking below? That ought to be the next bill the Judiciary Committee send to the Senate and Assembly. (or is it the ASSembly?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,434 Posted November 4, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 11:50 AM, Sniper22 said: The changes also ban first-amendment-protected distribution of certain electronic files for 3D printers without a manufacturer’s license. Hopefully someone is writing the legal challenge to that now... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted November 9, 2018 Welcome to Nazi Jersey. Gov Gopher has signed S.2465 into law. It is effective immediately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted November 9, 2018 So "daggers" are now illegal to possess. What defines a "dagger"? Do I need to toss out all my kitchen knives? Also, handcuffs are now illegal to possess. My wife will be upset about that one. What is it that caused the libs to go lurching off the deep end? Fouride in the water? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted November 9, 2018 When can we recall this idiot?? Gov. Phil Murphy signed legislation Thursday making it illegal in New Jersey to purchase parts to manufacture "ghost guns." Gov. Phil Murphy signed legislation Thursday making it illegal in New Jersey to purchase parts to manufacture "ghost guns." The legislation also bans the distribution of information on assembling the guns, which are homemade or 3D printed firearms that are untraceable by law enforcement, officials say. Murphy noted that the signing comes just as authorities are dealing with a mass shooting in Thousand Oaks, Calif. that claimed 12 lives, including a police officer who reported to the scene. Ghost guns can be created by anyone with a computer and access to a 3D printer, giving the public the ability to build their own unregistered and untraceable firearm. Kits to assemble ghost guns will no longer be allowed in New Jersey, Murphy said. https://patch.com/new-jersey/lacey/s/gjtl1/gov-murphy-signs-bill-banning-ghost-guns-law Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EngineerJet 191 Posted November 9, 2018 These legislators are dillusional 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted November 9, 2018 And on the Eve of the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht, no less. Did anyone else notice the change in 2C:39-1gg and 2C:39-9f(1) that redefines "armor piercing ammunition"? Seems to me like M855 (with SS109 projectile) now meets the PRNJ definition of armor piercing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GramGun79 226 Posted November 9, 2018 Gov. Phil Murphy signed legislation Thursday making it illegal in New Jersey to purchase parts to manufacture "ghost guns." What exactly does this mean? What is considered illegal now?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SW9racer 262 Posted November 9, 2018 Homemade Ghost guns now illegal. Does it also include Lightsabers? As the TSA is still ok with those on a plane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, njJoniGuy said: Did anyone else notice the change in 2C:39-1gg and 2C:39-9f(1) that redefines "armor piercing ammunition"? Seems to me like M855 Green-tip .223/5.56 (with SS109 projectile) now meets the PRNJ definition of armor piercing. For those who don't like to dig through legislative double-speak, here are the 2 relevant portions of the new Ghost Gun law that deal with "Armor Piercing ammo": Note that the bolded bracketed words were removed from the statute by this new law. 2C:39-1gg. "Armor piercing ammunition" means: (1) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and is constructed entirely, excluding the presence of traces of other substances, from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (2) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. "Armor piercing ammunition" shall not include shotgun shot required by federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the United States Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the United States Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil gas well perforating device. 2C:39-9f(1) Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sell, or disposes of any [bullet, which is primarily designed for use in a handgun, and which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor and] armor piercing ammunition as defined in subsection gg. of N.J.S.2C:39-1 which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, SW9racer said: Homemade Ghost guns now illegal. Does it also include Lightsabers? As the TSA is still ok with those on a plane. Isn't that a proton pack? It's not a lightsaber. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,157 Posted February 15, 2019 The newest wrinkle in the dueling legal action between NJ's Attorney General and Defense Distributed (the website known for hosting 3D-printable gun files): Authorities are now investigating a mystery arising out of the lawsuit: Somebody, somewhere, impersonated them and issued a broad “takedown” notice to a company that provides technical support for the gun group’s website, state officials claim in court documents. The IP address of that somebody came from the Slovak Republic, though officials suspect that was a ruse to cover their tracks. I don't even know what to make of this... some rogue player hoping to get them to dump the site's contents? Prank? The whole story is just a bit odd. Now, go to your special hidden place, remove the carefully wrapped tin foil hat, place it on your head... and read more here: https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/02/gun-groups-sued-murphys-ag-over-njs-new-gun-law-then-things-got-a-little-weird.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,434 Posted February 15, 2019 56 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said: I don't even know what to make of this... some rogue player hoping to get them to dump the site's contents? Prank? The whole story is just a bit odd. There was a post on Reddit when this came to light where someone apparently posted that they did it and were trying to “trick” the service provider into suing N.J. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 473 Posted February 15, 2019 On 11/9/2018 at 5:21 PM, njJoniGuy said: For those who don't like to dig through legislative double-speak, here are the 2 relevant portions of the new Ghost Gun law that deal with "Armor Piercing ammo": Note that the bolded bracketed words were removed from the statute by this new law. 2C:39-1gg. "Armor piercing ammunition" means: (1) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and is constructed entirely, excluding the presence of traces of other substances, from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (2) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. "Armor piercing ammunition" shall not include shotgun shot required by federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the United States Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the United States Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil gas well perforating device. 2C:39-9f(1) Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sell, or disposes of any [bullet, which is primarily designed for use in a handgun, and which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor and] armor piercing ammunition as defined in subsection gg. of N.J.S.2C:39-1 which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. are there any law enforcement officers that even know what a rockwell hardness test is?, will there now be one installed at the PD's next to the breathalyzer? will samples be tested for their metallurgical properties, how will an officer measure the thickness to a thousand of an inch. what abumch of friggin a holes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, revenger said: are there any law enforcement officers that even know what a rockwell hardness test is?, will there now be one installed at the PD's next to the breathalyzer? will samples be tested for their metallurgical properties, how will an officer measure the thickness to a thousand of an inch. what abumch of friggin a holes. Njsp has the lab. Jus sayen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites