stuckinNJ 81 Posted October 9, 2018 I think the ban went into effect this month per this FB post. Looks like NJSP has updated the COE Form to include a NICS number: https://www.njsp.org/firearms/pdf/sp-634_20180914.pdf What are people doing now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 9, 2018 TagSent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted October 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, PK90 said: Tag Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk What? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted October 9, 2018 You're it! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted October 9, 2018 FTF sales now require a Background Check.... So yes, you need to go to the FFL of your choice and ask what he charges.... As far as charges ...... thats between you and buyer/seller how you want to handle the cost... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, 67gtonut said: FTF sales now require a Background Check.... So yes, you need to go to the FFL of your choice and ask what he charges.... As far as charges ...... thats between you and buyer/seller how you want to handle the cost... Thanks. I searched around and didn't see anything here, and the marketplace postings didn't seem to mention anything either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RecessedFilter 222 Posted October 9, 2018 I don't see transfer costs changing. It's still time and paperwork to be filled out so I'm not sure why people expect it to be less. Who pays the fees will probably depend on each individual transaction and how both seller and buyer work it out. I think splitting it 50/50 is fair but I think a lot of people will expect the buyer to eat the costs. I think it'll also depend on how the item is priced and if it's a good deal. There's no doubt this law will be doing exactly what its intention is - decreasing ftf sales. Variables such as transfer fees, NICS checks and the slow system we have will cause tons of problems, as well as having to plan what FFL and where to meet up will all have a major effect on gun sales. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 9, 2018 What?So the thread shows a star in my unread posts. Are you a newbie? LOLSent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, PK90 said: So the thread shows a star in my unread posts. Are you a newbie? LOL Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Ohhh lol not I'm not new, but I've become so paranoid about sarcastic remarks that I thought it was some way of saying this was a stupid question/covered already or something. Or I thought you were asking me to add tags to the post... IDK total brain fart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted October 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, RecessedFilter said: I don't see transfer costs changing. It's still time and paperwork to be filled out so I'm not sure why people expect it to be less. Who pays the fees will probably depend on each individual transaction and how both seller and buyer work it out. I think splitting it 50/50 is fair but I think a lot of people will expect the buyer to eat the costs. I think it'll also depend on how the item is priced and if it's a good deal. There's no doubt this law will be doing exactly what its intention is - decreasing ftf sales. Variables such as transfer fees, NICS checks and the slow system we have will cause tons of problems, as well as having to plan what FFL and where to meet up will all have a major effect on gun sales. Totally agree. It was difficult enough to find a time when 2 parties could meet for a ftf. Now its gonna need to be at an FFL, during opening hours, when both ppl can meet and after a NICS check is done bc we all know how often it gets backlogged. And then what happens if the buyer sees the gun in hand then decides he's not interested? Who pays the NICS then? And then maybe that will deter buyers from doing a NICS in advance leading back to the orig problem of a NICS backlog!!!! Then what happens if a NICS is done on the spot and its backed up for days?!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted October 9, 2018 @PK90 is that NJ specific, or general guidance for private sales requiring NICS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 9, 2018 [mention=1314]PK90[/mention] is that NJ specific, or general guidance for private sales requiring NICS?Suggestion by the Feds, but I see NJ following it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RecessedFilter 222 Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, stuckinNJ said: Totally agree. It was difficult enough to find a time when 2 parties could meet for a ftf. Now its gonna need to be at an FFL, during opening hours, when both ppl can meet and after a NICS check is done bc we all know how often it gets backlogged. And then what happens if the buyer sees the gun in hand then decides he's not interested? Who pays the NICS then? And then maybe that will deter buyers from doing a NICS in advance leading back to the orig problem of a NICS backlog!!!! Then what happens if a NICS is done on the spot and its backed up for days?!!! I'd think if the buyer sees the gun and backs out, it should be when they first meet at the FFL and before a NICS check is ran. If NICS is ran and the buyer pulls out after, I'm not sure what happens then but I'm confident the buyer will have to pay for any fees. The bigger issue I see with all of this and you touched a little on it is NICS is not an instant check like other states. So what happens if buyer and seller meet at an FFL at 3pm, NICS ran, and the FFL closes at 4pm with no update on the check? Does that mean both buyer and seller need to come back a separate day once NICS is passed? I mean how else would that work? Possibly the FFL could hold the gun I guess in which case only thr buyer would have to return to pick it up. Technically, NICS cannot be ran in advance by the way. It must be entered once paperwork is filled out at the FFL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dajonga 396 Posted October 9, 2018 When I worked at a FFL I was told an "approved" NICS check was good for 30 days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted October 9, 2018 When I worked at a FFL I was told an "approved" NICS check was good for 30 days.It is. Also approved for a transaction which could be multiple firearms, but you can't complete one and use same NICS a week later for another one. This whole change in the FTF thing is stupid and is about people control. I will not sell anything in NJ. I would rather drive to PA for FTF where transfers are half the price and PICS is $2 or better yet ship to buyers in free states.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted October 9, 2018 7 hours ago, RecessedFilter said: I don't see transfer costs changing. It's still time and paperwork to be filled out so I'm not sure why people expect it to be less. Who pays the fees will probably depend on each individual transaction and how both seller and buyer work it out. I think splitting it 50/50 is fair but I think a lot of people will expect the buyer to eat the costs. I think it'll also depend on how the item is priced and if it's a good deal. Therre's no doubt this law will be doing exactly what its intention is - decreasing ftf sales. Variables such as transfer fees, NICS checks and the slow system we have will cause tons of problems, as well as having to plan what FFL and where to meet up will all have a major effect on gun sales. Great post and I have to agree for the most part. For me however I refuse to pay the transfer fees if I see somebody posting to sell something and then I decide to buy it. My reasoning is that they are looking to sell it I didn't ask them specifically for it, I didn't put a wanted to buy add up. If you are looking to sell you better factor in those transfer cost in your price. Then again, I find I buy very little in New Jersey because people seem to have an inflated value of what they have and always include the nics in the price. Kind of an interesting studying seller Behavior to be honest I also guarantee that quite a few people are not going to use or abide by the new law. Imagine having done business with somebody for years upon years or family or close friends and now all of a sudden the two of you are expected to go through an FFL? unless you are buying anything serialized after the date it is virtually impossible for anyone to determine when you sold it to them because you could say I sold it prior to that date. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,258 Posted October 9, 2018 so now, depending on compliance level, we'll have even privately sold firearms being registered through the back door? also.........how is this extra load gonna effect the ffl's, and the nj nics system itself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted October 9, 2018 I wonder how long a wait one might have at an FFL that is in the business of selling guns on their own? I would imagine when busy they would prioritize doing the paperwork for guns they are selling where they are making a margin on the gun as well. Thus, you might have to both wait for nics to run after you wait who knows how long for the FFL to even take your paperwork. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,258 Posted October 9, 2018 that's what i mean. i see this bogging down the system something fierce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted October 9, 2018 i just had to do a private sale transfer thru the FFL for my recent sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted October 9, 2018 so now, depending on compliance level, we'll have even privately sold firearms being registered through the back door? also.........how is this extra load gonna effect the ffl's, and the nj nics system itself?That's exactly why they did it. More people control.It is going to bog down the system something fierce.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 9, 2018 The Fudds ain't gonna like it. I foresee a lot more denials for Joe Bob want'n to buy Billy Joe's rusty double barrel cause his cousin reported to the Law what he did behind the barn 30 years past.Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted October 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, PK90 said: The Fudds ain't gonna like it. I foresee a lot more denials for Joe Bob want'n to buy Billy Joe's rusty double barrel cause his cousin reported to the Law what he did behind the barn 30 years past. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk I have news for you, go on some of these hunters forums, as I do, and you’ll find more than half of them aren’t even aware of this. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,552 Posted October 9, 2018 27 minutes ago, CageFighter said: i just had to do a private sale transfer thru the FFL for my recent sale. So how did it work out. Time wise , and $ cost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said: so now, depending on compliance level, we'll have even privately sold firearms being registered through the back door? also.........how is this extra load gonna effect the ffl's, and the nj nics system itself? Follow the money.... Why does NJ use a third party to source a NICS background check. Who owns the company and who makes money? Now the amount of NICS checks will increase dramatically. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1563621 388 Posted October 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Old School said: Follow the money.... Why does NJ use a third party to source a NICS background check. Who owns the company and who makes money? Now the amount of NICS checks will increase dramatically. That was really the reason for ending FTF selling! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M4BGRINGO 139 Posted October 9, 2018 Well, I can see a lot of long guns sold last month, or a few months ago, in the future........... Fuck them! Can't do that with handguns though. Again, fuck them! 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted October 9, 2018 Does anyone know who the company is that does the NJ NICS? I'd like to research the ownership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Old School said: Does anyone know who the company is that does the NJ NICS? I'd like to research the ownership. It used to be the following back in 2013. I don't know if it was changed. Champion Communications 1001 Yamato Road Suite #406 Boca Raton, FL 33431 (561) 272-5667 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites