capt14k 2,052 Posted October 21, 2018 So I think that it has been established anyone that wants to not pay transfers and own machine guns legally and cheap get a FFL01 and SOT. Then they can do FTF transfers for the rest for only the cost of the NICS. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: If you have the appropriate FFL, and build or mod FA weapons, I'd guess you need to put at least 10K rounds down range before you can make the claim your gear can hold up to 10K rounds. I mean, if you are writing up some marketing material, you have to be able to walk the walk before you put it in print. Blow me. Yikes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,147 Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, blksheep said: Yikes Don't pull my chain when I'm chilling with my buddy Jim Beam. He's an instigator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted October 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, remixer said: He’ll, I know some guys that shot full autos at the local pd range in monmouth county . Does not at all mean any ffl with an sot can just shoot there. Ah yes. Lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted October 22, 2018 Staying with the topic of this thread, a thought crossed my mind. An 18 year old can no longer acquire a receiver or pistol grip firearm F2F in NJ as they did legally prior to the law. The dealer can not run a NICS check on them. Oops. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 22, 2018 Staying with the topic of this thread, a thought crossed my mind. An 18 year old can no longer acquire a receiver or pistol grip firearm F2F in NJ as they did legally prior to the law. The dealer can not run a NICS check on them. Oops. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk I'm not following? Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted October 22, 2018 I'm not following? Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk18yoa Johnny could buy a Tac-14 from 35yoa Jimmy. He can't acquire one now because an FFL can't run NICS for "other" on an 18yoa person.Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 22, 2018 18yoa Johnny could buy a Tac-14 from 35yoa Jimmy. He can't acquire one now because an FFL can't run NICS for "other" on an 18yoa person.Sent from an undisclosed location via TapatalkYou might be the first person to actually think of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, remixer said: You might be the first person to actually think of that. He wasn't. I stumbled upon that tidbit when examining the 4473 "Pot issue". Just another example of how the old COE's are worth their weight in GOLD What if 19 & 20 year olds already bought an "Other", like prior to the new law package OR when they resided in another state? Johnny wants to take his into the woods to blow shit up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Smokin .50 said: What if 19 & 20 year olds already bought an "Other", like prior to the new law package OR when they resided in another state? Johnny wants to take his into the woods to blow shit up Dont think thats an issue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted October 22, 2018 17 hours ago, capt14k said: It can be done. Many towns still allow home based FFL. I know Manalapan does since the code official is a Home Based FFL01. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk FFL01 with SOT doesn't need judge. Collector does. Any collector that can afford multiple transferable MG will get approval, and probably has CCW. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Already tried that, about 6 years ago. Manalapan will not allow a storefront business on residential property. Doesn't matter if your an ffl or a florist, if you have customer traffic, even without signage, it's not allowed in Manalapan. If that has changed recently, I would love to know so I can apply for an ffl01. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, MartyZ said: Already tried that, about 6 years ago. Manalapan will not allow a storefront business on residential property. Doesn't matter if your an ffl or a florist, if you have customer traffic, even without signage, it's not allowed in Manalapan. If that has changed recently, I would love to know so I can apply for an ffl01. That's the rule in Marlboro as well.. Only exemptions are i think lawyers and medical Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, remixer said: That's the rule in Marlboro as well.. Only exemptions are i think lawyers and medical And “cottage industries”. And even those are limited to employee numbers due to parking. A small stock trader or online companies for instance but no retail traffic. Zoning laws are tough to fight. Battling them could easily break the bank. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 22, 2018 And “cottage industries”. And even those are limited to employee numbers due to parking. A small stock trader or online companies for instance but no retail traffic. Zoning laws are tough to fight. Battling them could easily break the bank. 100%! Lawyers for example or accountants might have 1 client at a time etc 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted October 22, 2018 going to get my ffl, it's cheaper in the long run I believe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 22, 2018 Already tried that, about 6 years ago. Manalapan will not allow a storefront business on residential property. Doesn't matter if your an ffl or a florist, if you have customer traffic, even without signage, it's not allowed in Manalapan. If that has changed recently, I would love to know so I can apply for an ffl01.Rick Hogan has Cabin Firearms business at his house for years now. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 22, 2018 going to get my ffl, it's cheaper in the long run I believeI agree. I have building in Jamesburg I just built another room for storage. I can simply turn it into store. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Screwball 483 Posted October 22, 2018 I agree. I have building in Jamesburg I just built another room for storage. I can simply turn it into store. Sent from my XT1585 using TapatalkThat’s what Paul from NJ Arms did...Did DNA testing, and had a room for guns in the same suite. Started moving from one to the other, and a few years before he passed... he closed the DNA stuff and focused on guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 22, 2018 That’s what Paul from NJ Arms did...Did DNA testing, and had a room for guns in the same suite. Started moving from one to the other, and a few years before he passed... he closed the DNA stuff and focused on guns.So I can close the plumbing and play with guns all day? I'm in.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Screwball 483 Posted October 22, 2018 So I can close the plumbing and play with guns all day? I'm in.Sent from my XT1585 using TapatalkOr both... the guy that owns the company that we lease our copiers from also runs a porn website.Paul’s DNA focus was paternity testing. Would joke that depending on the results, he would raise/lower the price to buy a gun. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted October 23, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 9:51 PM, PK90 said: Staying with the topic of this thread, a thought crossed my mind. An 18 year old can no longer acquire a receiver or pistol grip firearm F2F in NJ as they did legally prior to the law. The dealer can not run a NICS check on them. Oops. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk One of the numerous side effects of this BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 24, 2018 One of the numerous side effects of this BS.Exactly, but everyone is so concerned about complying. I was simply stating that a FFL that offers free services for transfer for FTF between NJ residents would see an increase in overall business because so many in NJ will comply. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted October 24, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 11:34 AM, Zeke said: If I buy From Bob’s gun shop I can expect a transfer fee. If I buy from Bob in Pa I can expect a transfer fee. But if I buy From @BobA I shouldn’t expect a transfer fee? Doesn’t make sense. No one is happy about it. Focus your energy on calling your legislators... there is no longer a justification for FPID and P2P since face 2 face has theoretically been eliminated. Jeebus you guys are blaming and attacking everyone. Who’s next? The crossing guards? The only problem is that they will say face to face is not eliminated. Private sales between family members, and two active LEO’s is still OK. If they banned all face to face entirely then there might be a chance of of the FPID and P2P going away. But we still have to try and call our legislators. Stupid laws and most people here are just biding their time. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 25, 2018 11 hours ago, 9X19 said: The only problem is that they will say face to face is not eliminated. Private sales between family members, and two active LEO’s is still OK. If they banned all face to face entirely then there might be a chance of of the FPID and P2P going away. But we still have to try and call our legislators. Stupid laws and most people here are just biding their time. Let them say it,.. and ask them how it prevents crime. And quote the new Murphy NJSP crime gun data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 9:51 PM, PK90 said: Staying with the topic of this thread, a thought crossed my mind. An 18 year old can no longer acquire a receiver or pistol grip firearm F2F in NJ as they did legally prior to the law. The dealer can not run a NICS check on them. Oops. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Not only that...............NICS checks are now required on all air gun, muzzleloader and antique gun transfers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted October 25, 2018 Not only that...............NICS checks are now required on all air gun, muzzleloader and antique gun transfers.Really? Why?Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 25, 2018 Not only that...............NICS checks are now required on all air gun, muzzleloader and antique gun transfers.Why would you have a NICS check on an Antique Longgun? Why would you transfer an Antique Longgun through a dealer? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, PK90 said: Really? Why? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Because the new law specifically states that all firearm transfers must be done by an FFL and the FFL must do a NICS check. Since NJ considers them all "firearms" they would also be covered by this requirement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 25, 2018 Because the new law specifically states that all firearm transfers must be done by an FFL and the FFL must do a NICS check. Since NJ considers them all "firearms" they would also be covered by this requirement. But NJ does not consider a Longgun made before 1898 for which commercial ammo is not available a firearm. It is an Antique Firearm and is exempt. That exemption is still there in the new law. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Oakridgefirearms said: Not only that...............NICS checks are now required on all air gun, muzzleloader and antique gun transfers. I do not think this is the case. I did not see any wording that addressed this specifically. Previously an air gun sent to a dealer required paperword , COE Or P2P but no Nics check. That being said one can interpret all to mean "All" or "ALL" LOL. Since it was not addressed directly from what i can tell in the new laws i will revert to our original practice until otherwise advised by the NJSP. My Opinion... Nics is the federal background check system and only items considered firearms federally are nics checked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites