PK90 3,570 Posted October 25, 2018 ... Since it was not addressed directly from what i can tell in the new laws i will revert to our original practice until otherwise advised by the NJSP ...Regarding the other post referencing a F2F handgun transfer, would not the seller on the form still be the Private Party as it was not directly addressed in the law? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 25, 2018 I do not think this is the case. I did not see any wording that addressed this specifically. Previously an air gun sent to a dealer required paperword , COE Or P2P but no Nics check. That being said one can interpret all to mean "All" or "ALL" LOL. Since it was not addressed directly from what i can tell in the new laws i will revert to our original practice until otherwise advised by the NJSP. My Opinion... Nics is the federal background check system and only items considered firearms federally are nics checked. Then why the hell did you have me fill out 4473 and run NICS for Antique Finnish Mosins that the Feds don't consider a firearm. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 25, 2018 Then why the hell did you have me fill out 4473 and run NICS for Antique Finnish Mosins that the Feds don't consider a firearm. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk1. Because the njsp addressed this with me and said something about modern Cartridge. 2. I hate you 3. After seeing your posts they wanted to require you to run nics for a butter knife but I taked them out of it. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 25, 2018 1. Because the njsp addressed this with me and said something about modern Cartridge. 2. I hate you 3. After seeing your posts they wanted to require you to run nics for a butter knife but I taked them out of it. I know just busting your balls. The correct answer is NJ NICS is different from Federal NICS. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 25, 2018 I know just busting your balls. The correct answer is NJ NICS is different from Federal NICS. Sent from my iPad using TapatalkActually #2 is the correct answer 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 3:57 PM, capt14k said: Rick Hogan has Cabin Firearms business at his house for years now. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk does he still have the vette? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 25, 2018 does he still have the vette?Last I knew but honestly I haven't seen him in 5 years. Even though Remixer hates me and runs NICS on Antiques I'm still loyal. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SW9racer 262 Posted October 25, 2018 What about bb-guns and sling shots? Are airsoft pistols still exempt? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 25, 2018 What about bb-guns and sling shots? Are airsoft pistols still exempt?Was air soft exempt before? If so yes. Every exemption is still in place. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 25, 2018 What about bb-guns and sling shots? Are airsoft pistols still exempt?Yes unless you are capt14 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted October 26, 2018 13 hours ago, remixer said: Actually #2 is the correct answer ah, but do you hate him worse than me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 26, 2018 9 hours ago, sota said: ah, but do you hate him worse than me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted October 26, 2018 good to know where we stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo2936 297 Posted October 27, 2018 So i put my rifles up on Armslist, and i've got people asking me why i want to go through an FFL and asking for FTF transactions. I'm not sure if they are unaware of the new laws or if they think i'm willing to break it for a stranger with a few hundred bucks, yet.. we'll see.. lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 27, 2018 So i put my rifles up on Armslist, and i've got people asking me why i want to go through an FFL and asking for FTF transactions. I'm not sure if they are unaware of the new laws or if they think i'm willing to break it for a stranger with a few hundred bucks, yet.. we'll see.. lolSome are cops or ATF. I see the items listed everywhere but you may want to take a second look at prices. Check GunBroker for the highest prices people are realizing.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Lambo2936 said: So i put my rifles up on Armslist, and i've got people asking me why i want to go through an FFL and asking for FTF transactions. I'm not sure if they are unaware of the new laws or if they think i'm willing to break it for a stranger with a few hundred bucks, yet.. we'll see.. lol Just about everyone not on this site doesn’t know. At least thats been my experience. With the mid terms coming up I’ve been trying to spread the word. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted October 27, 2018 These kind of threads remind me of @mipafox. He would always chime in with a ball breaking post. RIP 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: These kind of threads remind me of @mipafox. He would always chime in with a ball breaking post. RIP One guy I whish I coulda met. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 28, 2018 So i put my rifles up on Armslist, and i've got people asking me why i want to go through an FFL and asking for FTF transactions. I'm not sure if they are unaware of the new laws or if they think i'm willing to break it for a stranger with a few hundred bucks, yet.. we'll see.. lolI would guess the vast majority of them also stayed home Election Day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 28, 2018 I would guess the vast majority of them also stayed home Election Day. Or they could have a set and refuse to complySent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 28, 2018 Or they could have a set and refuse to complySent from my XT1585 using TapatalkIf they are asking why go to an FFL it’s most likely they don’t even know laws changed. We have customers who come in and are surprised when we tell them the new capacity limit 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted October 28, 2018 53 minutes ago, remixer said: If they are asking why go to an FFL it’s most likely they don’t even know laws changed. We have customers who come in and are surprised when we tell them the new capacity limit Which has me leaning toward they are non-voters. People with their heads in the sand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted October 28, 2018 Which has me leaning toward they are non-voters. People with their heads in the sand. 100% Some are ignorant to the importance of voting some just don’t care until it directly affects them. During the governors election I sent out an email to customers urging them to vote for Kim. I had one guy tell me to remove him as he will never shop at my store because I got political.Plenty of gun owners are ignorant bastards when it comes to politics 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 28, 2018 100% Some are ignorant to the importance of voting some just don’t care until it directly affects them. During the governors election I sent out an email to customers urging them to vote for Kim. I had one guy tell me to remove him as he will never shop at my store because I got political. Plenty of gun owners are ignorant bastards when it comes to politics That they are. I can't stand the no political talk rules some firearms groups have. If you aren't politically involved as a firearms owner and Anti Democrat then you are a moron. The Democrats won't be happy til the laws are like England. .22 and birdshot only. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted November 9, 2018 Here's an update as promised: just sold a handgun in a "private" sale at an FFL (Bergen Sporting Goods). It took about 45 min (as opposed to just 5 min it used to take...) Thankfully, NICS was instant. The store input the handgun to their books and then did a normal transfer to the buyer. Buyer paid the transfer and NICS fee. They gave me a store receipt with the gun info and serial number (as opposed to the blue copy of the P2P I used to get as seller.) This serves as my proof that I sold it. Definitely a much more inconvenient process than before. We had to meet far from both of our homes, while the store was still open. This went relatively smoothly, but obviously that's because NICS wasn't backlogged. I guess I fared about as well as I could've. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted November 9, 2018 Here's an update as promised: just sold a handgun in a "private" sale at an FFL (Bergen Sporting Goods). It took about 45 min (as opposed to just 5 min it used to take...) Thankfully, NICS was instant. The store input the handgun to their books and then did a normal transfer to the buyer. Buyer paid the transfer and NICS fee. They gave me a store receipt with the gun info and serial number (as opposed to the blue copy of the P2P I used to get as seller.) This serves as my proof that I sold it. Definitely a much more inconvenient process than before. We had to meet far from both of our homes, while the store was still open. This went relatively smoothly, but obviously that's because NICS wasn't backlogged. I guess I fared about as well as I could've. When did the buyer hand you the money for the purchase, and why did you stay 45 minutes? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, PK90 said: When did the buyer hand you the money for the purchase, and why did you stay 45 minutes? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Just waiting for them to finish up with other customers, filling out all the paperwork, ringing us up for the transfer, entering NICS info, waiting on NICS to get back... all in all took like 40-45 min. We left as soon as they were done. What else can I say.... Buyer paid transfer fee to gun shop when they asked, then paid me once he got his pink copy of the completed P2P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted November 9, 2018 Hmmm. As a seller, if the buyer was satisfied with the firearm, I would insist on the payment first, then turn the firearm over to the dealer. No need for me to hang out.Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuckinNJ 81 Posted November 9, 2018 1 minute ago, PK90 said: Hmmm. As a seller, if the buyer was satisfied with the firearm, I would insist on the payment first, then turn the firearm over to the dealer. No need for me to hang out. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Ya I agree in theory, but I'd kinda feel weird just bouncing. I guess technically I could've left if I was in a mad rush, but I just felt that I should stick around until everything was sorted out. I don't disagree with you. I just wanted to be as courteous as possible. This is a new process so it's not really clear what the etiquette is... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted November 9, 2018 We've done some already... Took no longer then any other transfer. Seller and buyer show up Seller drops off gun Gets receipt and he's gone (can stay if they want, most do not as no reason to) Buyer continues as any other transfer... So far been smooth as i expected. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites