Malice4you 627 Posted October 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Sniper22 said: I was there the last 2 rallys. Took pictures and met a bunch of members from here. Im not planning on giving up, but this state is pretty damn hopeless when it comes to guns, especially when only 1-2000 show up for rallys...and nothing pro is even a blip on our radars. 4 hours ago, Sniper22 said: Tons... thousands... and they will all be going to the range with their 15 rounders next year, still clueless... So, what will the LEOs do, bring in a corrections office bus and take people out of the range by the busload because they're possessing 15 rounders come January and are felons? 5 hours ago, 1LtCAP said: i'd say the vast majority. 2 of my leo friends...one in lawnside, one's a camden county cop......neither one of em knew about this till i told em I am curious how aggressively the state will go after the clueless thousands who are unknowingly going to be felons in December. Meanwhile, thousands of us who do know are forced to spend significant money replacing or modifying our previously legal and already unusual and expensive magazines for a feel-good law that doesn't even grandfather anything, while waiting/hoping for a hail mary at the last second. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted October 16, 2018 46 minutes ago, Malice4you said: I am curious how aggressively the state will go after the clueless thousands who are unknowingly going to be felons in December. Me too, they didn't seem to go after people when the 15 round law was passed. I think it will be just like Colorado, where it won't be enforced except in special situations. https://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/colorado-gun-magazine-ban-goes-unenforced/ There will be THOUSANDS of people going to the range with 15s after December 10th, and won't know the law. 46 minutes ago, Malice4you said: Meanwhile, thousands DOZENS of us who do know are forced to spend significant money replacing or modifying our previously legal and already unusual and expensive magazines for a feel-good law that doesn't even grandfather anything, while waiting/hoping for a hail mary at the last second. Actually, that might be a little more accurate. I really believe very few people (besides the members here) even know of the law, including LEOs, as LtCap mentioned above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Sniper22 said: Me too, they didn't seem to go after people when the 15 round law was passed. I think it will be just like Colorado, where it won't be enforced except in special situations. https://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/colorado-gun-magazine-ban-goes-unenforced/ There will be THOUSANDS of people going to the range with 15s after December 10th, and won't know the law. Actually, that might be a little more accurate. I really believe very few people (besides the members here) even know of the law, including LEOs, as LtCap mentioned above. The majority don’t know. Even my “ gun people “ clients are 1 ill informed, and 2 pissed there is no compensation. ( hey, they’re fudds and don’t see the end game) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Malice4you said: I was there the last 2 rallys. Took pictures and met a bunch of members from here. Im not planning on giving up, but this state is pretty damn hopeless when it comes to guns, especially when only 1-2000 show up for rallys...and nothing pro is even a blip on our radars. I am curious how aggressively the state will go after the clueless thousands who are unknowingly going to be felons in December. Meanwhile, thousands of us who do know are forced to spend significant money replacing or modifying our previously legal and already unusual and expensive magazines for a feel-good law that doesn't even grandfather anything, while waiting/hoping for a hail mary at the last second. Whilst you are here, fight! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennj 215 Posted October 17, 2018 Whilst? I'm impressed Zeke. I have to admit, I picked up a few 10 rounders for my CZ Compact to take to the range, but for the life of me I can't seem to locate the 14 rounders I had. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,322 Posted October 17, 2018 I have the same problem. I segregated all of my soon to be illegal mags and put them in a big box. The damn box disappeared and my wife thinks she may have accidentally thrown them away! I looked everywhere and the trash was picked up last night! Oh well........What's gone is gone! 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Zeke said: The majority don’t know. Even my “ gun people “ clients are 1 ill informed, and 2 pissed there is no compensation. ( hey, they’re fudds and don’t see the end game) So, what will the guys here, who neutered or replaced their 15s with 10s say, when they go to the range a year or so from now and still see other people show up with 15s and never get questioned? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sniper22 said: So, what will the guys here, who neutered or replaced their 15s with 10s say, when they go to the range a year or so from now and still see other people show up with 15s and never get questioned? Are they, them, the guys here, looking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted October 17, 2018 From my limited time I've been paying attention, it almost seems that way. Have we ever won any fight? Along those lines, why hasn't ANJRPC planned a big rally to get all gun owners protesting and marching on Trenton right before these upcoming midterms. Wouldn't thousands of gun owners, holding 15 round magazines high in the air get some attention by the politicians up for re-election? Has anything like this been proposed by any of the 2A groups, or are they just going to roll over and take it up the ass without lube come December..... again...? Last ANJRPC rally was more like a 3 hour infomercial. While Moms Demand Action were lining up to pack the Statehouse all talk and no action on our side. We need a new grassroots group like Missouri and other states have. No lawsuits filed for 8 years to not upset Christie and we didn't need to worry this time because a deal was made with Sweeney. Time to wake up and realize we have been had. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mossburger 406 Posted October 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Zeke said: Are they, them, the guys here, looking? Yeah seriously. In my opinion, I treat my stall at the range like I treat the urinal in a public bathroom. Mind your own business and don't look at the guy next to you's hardware. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted October 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Zeke said: looking? you missed.... counting.... number of shots before reloading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted October 17, 2018 22 hours ago, 1LtCAP said: i think that exemption only covers their service weapon..... Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted October 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Sniper22 said: From my limited time I've been paying attention, it almost seems that way. Have we ever won any fight? Along those lines, why hasn't ANJRPC planned a big rally to get all gun owners protesting and marching on Trenton right before these upcoming midterms. Wouldn't thousands of gun owners, holding 15 round magazines high in the air get some attention by the politicians up for re-election? Has anything like this been proposed by any of the 2A groups, or are they just going to roll over and take it up the ass without lube come December..... again...? As has been said rallies in NJ dont work...you dont get the turnout 18 hours ago, Sniper22 said: Why would it be hard to pull off? The Antifa crew and Soros crew can rally their base and get them on buses to protest in a few hours notice through social media. Would we need to pay our protestors too? I was trying to find an accurate number of how many gun owners are in the state. It's a tough number to find. A few sources said 11%. So, if there's 8 million in the state, does that make 800,000 gun owners? It's also been said that 3% involvement can make a difference (remember the American Revolution). So 3% of 800,000 would be 24,000. If only 1% showed up and 99% stayed home and sat on their asses, that would be 8,000. 8,000 marching on Trenton, waving 15 rounds mags, would make a statement, wouldn't it? The 2A groups can't muster together 1% of gun owners in the state? That's really sad.... Responsible adults mainly....wont work 17 hours ago, Sniper22 said: Tons... thousands... and they will all be going to the range with their 15 rounders next year, still clueless... So, what will the LEOs do, bring in a corrections office bus and take people out of the range by the busload because they're possessing 15 rounders come January and are felons? Is that so hard to believe? All it takes is one collar and people will shit thenselves..... 9 hours ago, JohnnyB said: I have the same problem. I segregated all of my soon to be illegal mags and put them in a big box. The damn box disappeared and my wife thinks she may have accidentally thrown them away! I looked everywhere and the trash was picked up last night! Oh well........What's gone is gone! Now that's a damn shame !!!! Better than a boating accident Once garbage is commingled in the truck....who knows where it came from.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted October 17, 2018 for what it's worth.....the range i shoot at has sent out an email stating that we may not bring "illegal" mags to the range. their words.....we don't like it either, but for now it's the law. i dunno what they'll be doing at other indoor ranges. wonder if other outdoor ranges have sent similar emails to their members? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted October 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: for what it's worth.....the range i shoot at has sent out an email stating that we may not bring "illegal" mags to the range. their words.....we don't like it either, but for now it's the law. i dunno what they'll be doing at other indoor ranges. wonder if other outdoor ranges have sent similar emails to their members? That's a pretty lame ass cover their ass unspecified notification. It's always been illegal to bring anything illegal anywhere lol. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted October 17, 2018 19 hours ago, mossburger said: Yeah seriously. In my opinion, I treat my stall at the range like I treat the urinal in a public bathroom. Mind your own business and don't look at the guy next to you's hardware. Pfffttt... Im always checking out what people got.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted October 17, 2018 As a high power rifle competitor, I can't help but count shots when someone shoots rapid fire. During my RSO shift last weekend, I counted 15 from an AR shooter on the 50 yd range. When he was done the string, I approached him and asked if he knew about the change in the law back in June. HE HAD NO IDEA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted October 17, 2018 can still use 15 rounders until they are illegal 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted October 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, myhatinthering said: can still use 15 rounders until they are illegal But according to Nappen's interpretation of the new statute, you cannot TRANSPORT them anymore. So HOW DID THEY GET TO THE RANGE?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted October 18, 2018 he's wrong, they are not illegal until December so if they are not illegal, transport and use are still permitted. Nappen has been wrong before 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted October 18, 2018 And your law degree is from what school? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, njJoniGuy said: As a high power rifle competitor, I can't help but count shots when someone shoots rapid fire. During my RSO shift last weekend, I counted 15 from an AR shooter on the 50 yd range. @Zeke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted October 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said: But according to Nappen's interpretation What's the interpretation of all the other 2A lawyers? One lone opinion isn't enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted October 18, 2018 Guys, its not Nappens interpretation. The confusion is that there is already a existing law banning hi cap mags (formerly 16+) and a default of that law is no traveling with hi cap mags- which 11+ mags now are. But we are allowed to possess our 11+ until Dec 10....choose your option....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted October 18, 2018 Nappen sucks. NJ sucks. 10 round mags suck. Carry on. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, siderman said: The confusion is that there is already a existing law banning hi cap mags (formerly 16+) and a default of that law is no traveling with hi cap mags- You said EXISTING law for hi cap, that would be for 16+ mags, and no transportation for them, which is what it has been for years. 1 hour ago, siderman said: But we are allowed to possess our 11+ until Dec 10....choose your option....... and allowed transport them until Dec. 10 with the NEW law, because they are NOT hi cap mags at 16+ and grandfathered to the 10th. AFTER the 10th, then we lose the ability to legally transport the 11+. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted October 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Sniper22 said: You said EXISTING law for hi cap, that would be for 16+ mags, and no transportation for them, which is what it has been for years. and allowed transport them until Dec. 10 with the NEW law, because they are NOT hi cap mags at 16+ and grandfathered to the 10th. AFTER the 10th, then we lose the ability to legally transport the 11+. I'm not going to go back and forth on this but just that I see it as....11+ mags are NOW classified as hi cap under the NEW law and thus restricted from travel under the OLD law because they ARE hi caps. I wish the new law's grandfathering expanded the possession part but there's the confusion. At least how I see it. You see it different, ok do whatever. I don't think anyone's going to jail over this but I prefer to avoid the potential hassle over a fun trip to the range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redlines 202 Posted October 18, 2018 So if you can’t transport them how do you get rid of them. I guess you need to dial 911 for the police to come take them away . This state is loaded with retards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Contrvlr 17 Posted October 18, 2018 You can transport them , that's the purpose of the " grace period ". It allows for transport for disposal or modification until Dec.10 , after that ignorance of the law can likely get you 18 months in a lousy vacation home and a $10,000 fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites