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3 minutes ago, tomk62 said:

I think the problem is the criminals don't care about the consequences if they're caught.  They're not interested in following the law anyway.  So what if Tony Soprano can't legally own/carry a firearm.  He will anyway.

Us law abiding citizens do care, if we are legally prohibited, we won't, so we are concerned about having that right taken away.

Some would argue your only breaking the law when you get caught..

Some others would argue this isn’t constitutional and I’m allowed to break that law.

soo many choices 

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28 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Some would argue your only breaking the law when you get caught..

Some others would argue this isn’t constitutional and I’m allowed to break that law.

soo many choices 

So, there are federal laws about possession of marijuana, Gov. Murphy doesn’t like them so he chooses to ignor them...

....there are federal laws around illeagal immigration and sanctuary cities, Gov. Murphy doesn’t like those laws, so he chooses to ignor them...

...citizens have a right under the constitution of the United States to “keep and bear arms”..., Gov. Murphy doesn’t like that so he chooses to ignor that....

....I’m not a smart man, but.....

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Just now, Nucrunner said:

So, there are federal laws about possession of marijuana, Gov. Murphy doesn’t like them so he chooses to ignor them...

....there are federal laws around illeagal immigration and sanctuary cities, Gov. Murphy doesn’t like those laws, so he chooses to ignor them...

...citizens have a right under the constitution of the United States to “keep and bear arms”..., Gov. Murphy doesn’t like that so he chooses to ignor that....

....I’m not a smart man, but.....

I know... a total conundrum 

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1 hour ago, USRifle30Cal said:

just put em in the mail no need to label them at all - in a box with bubble wrap

Yep, throw a paperback book in too, so when they ask at the post office what's in the box, you can say "books and magazines". That's what ANJRPC recommended to do.

 

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4 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said:

just put em in the mail no need to label them at all - in a box with bubble wrap

Nappen was at the ANJRPC Ex. Board meeting last month.  I sat 3 feet from him when he gave his report to the body.  He said to put a couple paperbacks in the box so you could fill out a shipping label making computer as the box contains "books & magazines"!  Yes, it's also in the 4 page pdf! :) 

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2 minutes ago, Smokin .50 said:

Nappen was at the ANJRPC Ex. Board meeting last month.  I sat 3 feet from him when he gave his report to the body.  He said to put a couple paperbacks in the box so you could fill out a shipping label making computer as the box contains "books & magazines"!  Yes, it's also in the 4 page pdf! :) 

My po NEVER asks whats in the box....ever.  only asks if there is hazardous materials...injoking tell them that is a small thermonuclear device....no worries.

 

We over think things....way overthink them 

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26 minutes ago, reloaderguy said:

It gave states too much power to regulate and create their own laws.

Interesting, so you dont subscribe to states rights then?  

I am kind of an anti federalist....  

 

It is a dichotomy really, as i embrace the ideals of the usconn...

 

I guess lee felt the same way, concerned that states giving up way to many rights to the federal gov.

But injecting and formulating the first ten amendments of the bill of rights.

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Today's Update.... It's nice that Gunsitters is getting such great exposure and marketing!!

 

 anjrpc_header-2-revised-b.jpg
 

7 DAYS LEFT TO COMPLY WITH
DEC. 10 MAG BAN DEADLINE

 

Keep Your Mags Intact - Store With Gunsitters or Your FFL

December 3, 2018. The mag ban appeal is still pending before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, but because compliance time is quickly running out, last week ANJRPC released a 4-page guide for gun owners to comply with the ban by its mandated deadline of December 10, 2018. The mag ban lawsuit will continue after the deadline, and we believe it will eventually prevail, but gun owners face serious criminal penalties if they do not comply with the mag ban by December 10, 2018.
 
View or download copies of the guide here. Please spread the word to other gun owners!
 
The guide reveals (among other things) non-obvious, lawful methods to continue owning magazines that hold between 11 and 15 rounds without modifying them, in addition to covering the conventional compliance options under the mag ban.
For example, if you want to continue owning unmodified 11-15 round magazines, Gunsitters, LLC (www.gunsitters.com) has received pre-approval from the NJ State Police to lawfully store magazines through its affiliated licensed gun dealers at the rate of $1.25 per month per magazine, but the magazines must be properly transferred so they are received by December 10, 2018. Gunsitters will also donate 25 cents of each magazine's monthly storage fee toward ANJRPC's mag ban lawsuit. Gunsitters has specific requirements which can be viewed at www.njmagban.com, or by contacting Gunsitters directly at [email protected] or 973-610-8600. Please see pp 3-4 of ANJRPC's guide here for additional details.
 
Any licensed gun dealer can store your magazines for you -- they just need to be willing, organized, and have appropriate facilities to store magazines.
 
Please carefully review ANJRPC's guide here for a complete overview of all of your options under the mag ban law. And please spread the word to your fellow gun owners ASAP.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Ray Ray said:

I will not comply.

with all due respect.. I think that is a bad idea.. mistakes happen.. accidents happen.. police have to be in homes sometimes.. 

I understand the frustration.. and I think the law is ridiculous.. but failing to comply.. unless you have some high profile lawyer in your corner who is ready to fight the big fight on your behalf on his or her dime.. its a decision you could pay for the rest of your life.. 

not complying only works in mass when there are enough people not complying that the governing body can simply not deal with.. and I would not rest my freedom or the rest of my life on that.. 

you are all not alone... firearms in our entire country is an uncertain mess.. here we are.. nothing pro gun passed.. and the president poised to ban "bump stocks"... we are even losing ground under this administration.. so save your fight for the big nationwide fight that is inevitable.. 

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1 minute ago, Sniper22 said:

Are you referring to CWII?

 

I don't know that I would be all that dramatic.. but we definitely have a problem.. and I don't want to derail this threat into crazy hypotheticals.. 

but.. 

you have a large chunk of the nation.. that believes America is a great place.. a people proud of their traditions.. people that value what the country was founded on.. people who honor things like gun rights.. want secure borders.. expect people to work for a living.. 

you have an equally (if not larger) chunk of people that believe America CAN be a great place.. if we cast aside traditions.. open our borders.. embrace new socialist mindsets.. etc.. 

those two factions of people could not be any more different.. they are essentially opposites... so what now.. you can only pull something in two directions for so long before you have a problem.. I don't know what the ultimate outcome to all that is.. but to say it is concerning is an understatement.. 

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On 12/2/2018 at 8:10 PM, Combat Auto said:

I don't think this can be answered with 100% certainty. great-lawyer in his advisory, which you should read if you haven't, has approached this from the time the law was passed in the most cautious terms. Recall, his advise of not taking >10R mags to the range during the 6m grace period. Well, wth is the grace period for anyway, and how can I comply with the law if I don't take my mag-blockers/mag to the range to test them (before) I epoxy them. Many people have been using their >10 at the range in the grace period for this and other reason's...I haven't heard anyone getting arrested over it.

So now the end is near, and we have to get rid of the mags we don't convert. great-lawyer, again with his super cautious approach advises transporting them by carrier. He does concede we may have to put them in our cars to get to the drop-off place though, (I was surprised he didn't insist that we call for the carrier to pick them up at our home - LOL). So bottom line for you, to be the most cautious ship them to your buddy when he gets home. But on the other hand, as long as he is out of state before the 10th, I think he can make an argument that his action's are part of helping you comply with the law (in the rare case he gets pulled over and has his trunk searched).  In your shoes, I'd just ship them to him, what is it going to cost with insurance a few bucks. I can live with taking some risk due to inconsistent and unclear laws, I can't ask a friend to do that for me though, I wouldn't feel right...I was going to give mine to my neighbor who is a retired LE, but after reading the latest advisory from great-lawyer (with the darkest outlook, and ambiguous "rules"), I decides not to put him at risk and am now sending them to brother in a free state, a golden-land with absolutely no capacity-limitations :-).

So, it turn out I'm headed to his area this week. I'll drop them and it'll be before the 10th, so it should be okay.

Sucks for it to be this way, I just hope SCOTUS  gets a real chance to do us some good. 

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14 hours ago, Nucrunner said:

So, there are federal laws about possession of marijuana, Gov. Murphy doesn’t like them so he chooses to ignor them...

....there are federal laws around illeagal immigration and sanctuary cities, Gov. Murphy doesn’t like those laws, so he chooses to ignor them...

...citizens have a right under the constitution of the United States to “keep and bear arms”..., Gov. Murphy doesn’t like that so he chooses to ignor that....

....I’m not a smart man, but.....

Smart enough that you'd likely get MY VOTE! 

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On 12/2/2018 at 11:13 AM, mossburger said:

Is anyone surprised?

Once again, ANJRPC accomplishes nothing, and finds a new niche for FFLs and corporate friends to make money.

The legislature rules you, the FFLs profit off your suffering, and ANJRPC makes you feel better about it. Rule you, fool you, fleece you.

FYI the penalty for 11 is the same as 100 next week.

FFS once again is the FFL's fault...   For someone that has a disdain for local FFL's you seem to want them to do a lot of things for free.

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10 hours ago, Sniper22 said:

Today's Update.... It's nice that Gunsitters is getting such great exposure and marketing!!

 

 anjrpc_header-2-revised-b.jpg
 

7 DAYS LEFT TO COMPLY WITH
DEC. 10 MAG BAN DEADLINE

 

Keep Your Mags Intact - Store With Gunsitters or Your FFL

December 3, 2018. The mag ban appeal is still pending before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, but because compliance time is quickly running out, last week ANJRPC released a 4-page guide for gun owners to comply with the ban by its mandated deadline of December 10, 2018. The mag ban lawsuit will continue after the deadline, and we believe it will eventually prevail, but gun owners face serious criminal penalties if they do not comply with the mag ban by December 10, 2018.
 
View or download copies of the guide here. Please spread the word to other gun owners!
 
The guide reveals (among other things) non-obvious, lawful methods to continue owning magazines that hold between 11 and 15 rounds without modifying them, in addition to covering the conventional compliance options under the mag ban.
For example, if you want to continue owning unmodified 11-15 round magazines, Gunsitters, LLC (www.gunsitters.com) has received pre-approval from the NJ State Police to lawfully store magazines through its affiliated licensed gun dealers at the rate of $1.25 per month per magazine, but the magazines must be properly transferred so they are received by December 10, 2018. Gunsitters will also donate 25 cents of each magazine's monthly storage fee toward ANJRPC's mag ban lawsuit. Gunsitters has specific requirements which can be viewed at www.njmagban.com, or by contacting Gunsitters directly at [email protected] or 973-610-8600. Please see pp 3-4 of ANJRPC's guide here for additional details.
 
Any licensed gun dealer can store your magazines for you -- they just need to be willing, organized, and have appropriate facilities to store magazines.
 
Please carefully review ANJRPC's guide here for a complete overview of all of your options under the mag ban law. And please spread the word to your fellow gun owners ASAP.

 

 

I took issue with this as well.. they should have stated the facts that ANY FFL can store your mags, Your grandmother in PA can store them fuck dig a hole in the woods in a free state and its legal...... Rent a PO box in PA and leave them inside there...    then mention them as a sponsor... WTF is pre-approved to store magazines.. THIS IS BULLSHIT and does not exist.. ANY FFL can store mags if they choose to.... 

That being said... why cant you drive them over to gunsitters?

 

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3 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

so what're we all gonna do next year when they pass the bill to drop us to 5? and outlaw all semi-auto with detachable mags?

Thats gonna hurt... But i actually think that would cause a supreme court case since 5 rounds is not standard at all... no one makes a 5 round magazine for guns that are widely used.

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19 minutes ago, remixer said:

I took issue with this as well.. they should have stated the facts that ANY FFL can store your mags, Your grandmother in PA can store them fuck dig a hole in the woods in a free state and its legal...... Rent a PO box in PA and leave them inside there...    then mention them as a sponsor... WTF is pre-approved to store magazines.. THIS IS BULLSHIT and does not exist.. ANY FFL can store mags if they choose to.... 

That being said... why cant you drive them over to gunsitters?

 

They do .. if you actually read their full guide and not just the cliff notes on the announcement:

5. STORAGE OF NON-COMPLIANT MAGAZINES INSIDE NJ!!! This is one of the lesser-known, nonobvious options under the new law. Unmodified magazines that hold between 11 and 15 rounds can be stored intact for their owners by willing FFLs in New Jersey under the new law without modifying the magazines! For those wanting either to await the outcome of a potential U.S. Supreme Court challenge, or who just need more time to decide what to do with their magazines, this is an available option. It does require a willing, trustworthy, and organized FFL with appropriate storage facilities, and the magazines must be properly transferred (see item 7 below for details) so they are received by the dealer no later than December 10, 2018.

As far as the announcement shining more light on gunsitters... that whole deal also nets part of those proceeds to go towards the continued lawsuits on the issue .. so of course that's the one they will highlight. makes sense.

As far as the shipping .. its a suggestion and a warning.  The way this new law was written... even though we are within the "exemption time period" there was something about there being no technical exemption for possession while transporting them once the law was signed in June.  So I guess by letter of the law you have an exemption to posses in your house until Dec 10th (180 days) but if while you are transporting them out of state to comply .. or to a FFL to have them blocked.. your technicialy in violation.  Good ol BS NJ laws for ya.

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1 minute ago, Lakota said:

They do .. if you actually read their full guide and not just the cliff notes on the announcement:

5. STORAGE OF NON-COMPLIANT MAGAZINES INSIDE NJ!!! This is one of the lesser-known, nonobvious options under the new law. Unmodified magazines that hold between 11 and 15 rounds can be stored intact for their owners by willing FFLs in New Jersey under the new law without modifying the magazines! For those wanting either to await the outcome of a potential U.S. Supreme Court challenge, or who just need more time to decide what to do with their magazines, this is an available option. It does require a willing, trustworthy, and organized FFL with appropriate storage facilities, and the magazines must be properly transferred (see item 7 below for details) so they are received by the dealer no later than December 10, 2018.

As far as the announcement shining more light on gunsitters... that whole deal also nets part of those proceeds to go towards the continued lawsuits on the issue .. so of course that's the one they will highlight. makes sense.

As far as the shipping .. its a suggestion and a warning.  The way this new law was written... even though we are within the "exemption time period" there was something about there being no technical exemption for possession while transporting them once the law was signed in June.  So I guess by letter of the law you have an exemption to posses in your house until Dec 10th (180 days) but if while you are transporting them out of state to comply .. or to a FFL to have them blocked.. your technicialy in violation.  Good ol BS NJ laws for ya.

The vast majority would read the main page and move on... its deceiving. 

That being said whats pre-approved to store mags..  No FFL i spoke with ever heard of such a thing.

If driving them to gun sitters is illegal would it also be illegal to drive them to the post office or UPS or do you need them to pick up from your house.   that being said.. In America its illegal if a law says its illegal, Its not illegal because it did not say it was legal.

 

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7 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

so what're we all gonna do next year when they pass the bill to drop us to 5? and outlaw all semi-auto with detachable mags?

We'll find out if a meaningful number of gun owners in New Jersey actually have a red line they will enforce and demonstrate by publicly disobeying. This would be an appropriate stimulus for mass non-compliance as mentioned by myself, Vlad and others.

10,000+ gun owners marching the streets of Trenton waving non-compliant magazines would render the law unenforceable, as our drug laws are. Individual acts of non-compliance will be meaningless.

Cloward-Piven at work.

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Just now, 45Doll said:

We'll find out if a meaningful number of gun owners in New Jersey actually have a red line they will enforce and demonstrate by publicly disobeying. This would be an appropriate stimulus for mass non-compliance as mentioned by myself, Vlad and others.

10,000+ gun owners marching the streets of Trenton waving non-compliant magazines would render the law unenforceable, as our drug laws are. Individual acts of non-compliance will be meaningless.

Cloward-Piven at work.

Good luck with that... we can hardly get 10,000 gun owners to march to the voting booth.

 

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19 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

so what're we all gonna do next year when they pass the bill to drop us to 5? and outlaw all semi-auto with detachable mags?

Bend over and take it, just like all the other previous unconstitutional laws.

or, bitch about it here...

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