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ANJRPC RELEASES GUIDE TO COMPLY WITH MAGAZINE BAN

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On 12/4/2018 at 1:17 PM, dilbert1967 said:

I don't know anyone outside this state that can store my magazines.  I only have four magazines.  At $1.25 a piece for storage, in eighteen months, I will have paid for the total worth of the magazines.....when they were new.  So those mags are getting crushed in a vise and when I retire in a few years to a less tax, non-sanctuary state, I'll replace them.  It wasn't my favorite pistol anyway.

Again, If you need a place to store mags.  I will store them for free in a storage unit (outside of NJ).  You can get them whenever you want (you pay for shipping). PM me for details.

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52 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

Background checks on ammo sales being the big one there, right?  I presume that will also involve some sort of ban of online  sales. 

Is there precedent in other states for this?

The former seems like a major hassle that out of state vendors would ignore. The later seems like an interstate commerce issue. 

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1 hour ago, voyager9 said:

Background checks on ammo sales being the big one there, right?  I presume that will also involve some sort of ban of online  sales. 

They'll be going after semi-auto with ONE evil feature too.

 

17 minutes ago, JHZR2 said:

Is there precedent in other states for this?

Since when has this state been concerned with other states? The lawmakers in this state don't care.

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Just now, Sniper22 said:

They'll be going after semi-auto with ONE evil feature too.

 

Yep, that one's next on the Hit Parade.

If they can redefine 'Large Capacity Magazine' as they just did, what's to stop them from redefining 'Assault Weapon'?

See here or here.

You might want a trash can nearby as it might make you vomit.

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Yes, as much as I absolutely hate the 10R limit, personally, banning internet ammo sales (for me) would be a lot worse. California passed a similar law, NRA filed suite, I think the NRA had some intermediate wins, and some loses, don't know the status of the suit  now...Of course it violates federal interstate commerce laws, but if it gets litigated by mostly lefty judges in district and appellate courts that will matter little, no matter what Chief-Justice Robert's says about "no Obama-judges, no Trump judges" - lol...Our 10R suits is a perfect example of this. ANJRPC presented a fine case, and after listening to the audio of the Appellate hearing yesterday, I'd say, our lawyer did a fine job, so the few who want to bitch about the failure rate of law suits (because of "our" lawyers) are bitching up the wrong tree (there isn't a lawyer on the planet that will change the mind's of ideologues)....Hope? We got a glimmer of it with Judge Bibas dissent and as P-Trump keeps appointing federal judges over the next 2 years, and if re-elected next 6 years, this should make a difference. We can thank Obama for his intrinsic-laziness leaving so many open federal slots to be filled.

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1 minute ago, Combat Auto said:

ANJRPC presented a fine case, and after listening to the audio of the Appellate hearing yesterday, I'd say, our lawyer did a fine job, so the few who want to bitch about the failure rate of law suits (because of "our" lawyers) are bitching up the wrong tree.

I agree.  They weren't facing right, wrong or common sense.  They were facing emotions and politics. I don't believe the law had anything to do with their decision except to give the biased judges something to hide behind. 

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Ive been seeing a lot of negativity on here lately and a lot of doom and gloom. I get it, the losses we endure are tough. Maybe you just need a place to vent, I'll even grant you that. But all it is really doing is lowering morale. All it does is foster an attitude that any hope is futile. This is not how we get things done. I see people taking action to fight the good fight, and then I see armchair warriors criticize the way someone else fought their battles. Imagine if the people who argued Heller never brought the suit because they were constantly told its pointless. Its not gonna be easy. Hell, itll be damn near excruciating difficult. But imagine if just a fraction of all the gun onwers in this state started doing their part, no matter how small. Taking new friends to the range. Donating to organizations that actually fight for our rights. There is a lot of ignorance and education is the best cure. I'll tell you what wont work. Throwing up our hands in defeat.

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2 minutes ago, EngineerJet said:

Ive been seeing a lot of negativity on here lately and a lot of doom and gloom. I get it, the losses we endure are tough. Maybe you just need a place to vent, I'll even grant you that. But all it is really doing is lowering morale. All it does is foster an attitude that any hope is futile. This is not how we get things done. I see people taking action to fight the good fight, and then I see armchair warriors criticize the way someone else fought their battles. Imagine if the people who argued Heller never brought the suit because they were constantly told its pointless. Its not gonna be easy. Hell, itll be damn near excruciating difficult. But imagine if just a fraction of all the gun onwers in this state started doing their part, no matter how small. Taking new friends to the range. Donating to organizations that actually fight for our rights. There is a lot of ignorance and education is the best cure. I'll tell you what wont work. Throwing up our hands in defeat.

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On 12/4/2018 at 0:35 PM, remixer said:

Lots... But i get it... if you own a single gun for home defense and dont goto the range its easy not to know without reading the paper or news on a website.

Maybe the NJSP should have had to mail out notices to all FID card holders to the address on file... That would have cost a few bucks.

 

Gov. Murphy doesn't seem to want to spend that "few bucks" on this particular expenditure.

Hearkens back to the point that "ignorance of the law is not a defense".  Murphy et al aren't concerned with informing us, only with making the liberals applaud his wonderful crime reduction policies. If someone gets caught in the middle of this absurd web, so be it, more for he and his cohorts.

He seems to be of the opinion that it's better to spend our money on sections of our society that are less "patriotic" and more "socialistic" even to the point of spending money we don't have on programs that are contrary to conservative thinking. Sanctuary state policies, motor vehicle operator licensing for "undocumented" residents of the state, etc.

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3 hours ago, BobA said:

I agree.  They weren't facing right, wrong or common sense.  They were facing emotions and politics.

Which is why this battle of ours will NEVER be won at the voting booth and the ballot box.

But, everyone, keep showing up every two years, dreaming, and pull the lever for the "R" guy, because maybe NEXT time it will be different...

 

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7 hours ago, BobA said:

Boy, if that one doesn’t light up the Fudds nothing would. 

Not necessarily.  Fudd’s tend to use very little ammo, compared to competitive shooters or enthusiasts.  It could take years for some of them to use up the last box of ammo they bought and only then realize the laws changed. 

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1 hour ago, reloaderguy said:

Just bought 1 mag for my CZ Czechmate 10 round and it cost me $50.

CZ mags are apparently made of gold. Very expensive and never on sale. I got a few 10s a few yrs back and was "happy"at $36 each haven't seen them them cheaper anywhere ever. On the other hand I found a cache of 10 rd Beretta 92 and cougar mags for $7 each from a mom& pop outfit that didn't know what they were.

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8 minutes ago, siderman said:

CZ mags are apparently made of gold. Very expensive and never on sale. I got a few 10s a few yrs back and was "happy"at $36 each haven't seen them them cheaper anywhere ever. On the other hand I found a cache of 10 rd Beretta 92 and cougar mags for $7 each from a mom& pop outfit that didn't know what they were.

I bought the MecGar 10 round for the CZ 75 a few weeks ago on ebay for $21 each. But the Czechmate takes the Tactical Sport mags and the CZ75 mags don't work.

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Well, I would rather render them inoperable than forfeit them. Guess I will wait to see what tomorrow brings.

Anyone have any idea what to do with them after they are inoperable (piece them up and toss, keep pieces in a box, etc.)

Personally, I like the idea of a paperweight in the shop!

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15 minutes ago, El_Mal90 said:

Well, I would rather render them inoperable than forfeit them. Guess I will wait to see what tomorrow brings.

Anyone have any idea what to do with them after they are inoperable (piece them up and toss, keep pieces in a box, etc.)

Personally, I like the idea of a paperweight in the shop!

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I see that there are 3 choices here.
1. Put your mags in a box in your attic, if you think the ban will be overturned.
2. If not, smash them, then buy 10 rounders.
3. Do not comply.


There is another very good option. In a day or two mail some of these to leading Democrats. Then on the 11th drop a dime and report them as being in possession of hicap mags. Remember they are instant felons for having them even if they don’t have guns.
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38 minutes ago, Howard said:

 


There is another very good option. In a day or two mail some of these to leading Democrats. Then on the 11th drop a dime and report them as being in possession of hicap mags. Remember they are instant felons for having them even if they don’t have guns.

 

Maybe thrown in one heroin to give it thst festive pop. 

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Honestly, I hope the first person to get busted is a retired veteran. I hope the judge throws the book at him and locks him up for the full term.

I hope the second person arrested is some Fudd coming back from the range with his son and a 15rd Ruger 10/22 mag. I hope they lock him up too, full term. No PTI.

Do I hate vets and families? No. But I see a lot of undue sympathy on here, people just randomly mentioning feeling bad for some old vet. You know what? NJ gun owners have been licking boots, kissing ass, giving discounts to LEO, etc. And what has it gotten anyone in return? At best, a second class of citizens that got to keep their mags and F2F transfers. 

So you know what? I'm done with it. 

The right to keep and bear arms has NOTHING to do with being a veteran, a cop, knowing a cop, knowing a veteran, nothing. They hate you and want you dead, and the first people to come put YOUR ass in prison, or take your guns, would walk into your home with the same boots you're licking today 

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The sympathy for vets getting caught up in this isn't because they are more important, but due to the unfortunate irony that they at one point swore to  uphold the constitution and defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic. Only to come home and be stripped of the rights they fought to protect. Most veterans are on our side but youre more than welcome to generalise all of us as a single entity that wants you dead. That is your right to say. I just think you're an asshole.

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33 minutes ago, EngineerJet said:

but due to the unfortunate irony that they at one point swore to  uphold the constitution and defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Isn't that what all the lawmakers in Trenton and D.C. swore to do too?

How's that working out for gun owners?  YOU'RE the enemy to them.

 

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26 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

Isn't that what all the lawmakers in Trenton and D.C. swore to do too?

How's that working out for gun owners?  YOU'RE the enemy to them.

 

I'm no psychologist, but my own opinion on why it is that these two groups of people who both swore the same oath, would go to two different extremes when it comes to cherishing our rights, is that one group acknowledged theyd be willing to put their lives on the lines to defend it, while the other group just looks at it as a game.

So yes, it does piss me off that we take the same oath.

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2 hours ago, EngineerJet said:

The sympathy for vets getting caught up in this isn't because they are more important, but due to the unfortunate irony that they at one point swore to  uphold the constitution and defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic. Only to come home and be stripped of the rights they fought to protect. Most veterans are on our side but youre more than welcome to generalise all of us as a single entity that wants you dead. That is your right to say. I just think you're an asshole.

The comment I saw above, unless I misread, was really more oriented towards LEO, and their potential willingness to strip and arrest in light of blatant disregard for constitutional rights as has been recently legislated  

The fact that vets and hunters were listed, wasn’t an attack on those groups, but rather because those groups tend to be more cherished than others, vets because of their sacrifices, and hunters, because they’re supposed to be benign and the embodiment of what the left things 2A is for (well, that plus muskets).  

I think the point was to arrest a tacticool desk jockey commando, or an actual criminal, would shake the public at large up less than if it were one of these more cherished groups. 

Just my interpretation.... not a dig against vets. 

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