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Million Plus NJ Gun Owners Defy State Law, Refuse to Turn Over Banned Gun Mags

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This just warms my heart... not sure how accurate it is or who they actually talked to, but hopefully the gun owners in the state are showing some testosterone, after all!

New Jersey-(Ammoland.com)- New Jersey's standard capacity magazine ban is now in effect making New Jersey's one million gun owners criminals in the eyes of the state. But in an act of mass definace, New Jersey residents refuse to comply.

Residents of New Jersey on various message boards have called the magazine ban unenforceable. Some were going as far as laughing at Gov. Murphy and his attempt at regulating magazine size.

AmmoLand reached out to several local police departments in New Jersey to see how they plan on enforcing the ban and what the turn in numbers have been? Much like the New Jersey State Police, none of these departments have a concrete plan on how to proactively enforce the ban and none had a single report of magazines turned over.

Two sources from within the State Police, who spoke to AmmoLand on condition of anonymity, told AmmoLand News that they both do not know of any magazines turned over to their agency and doubted that any were turned in.

All the local police departments that AmmoLand contacted stated that they have not had any magazines turned into them.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/12/new-jersey-magazine-ban-goes-into-effect/#ixzz5ZlOqfatS

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Here's a great comment posted at that link that really sums it up:

...."Here is the exact example of government turning its citizens into criminals just by passing laws that on one day you are not a criminal and the next you are, and the only thing you did was get up take a shower, go to work to support you and your family, like you do every day, but now through one political parties goals of disarming its citizens today you get up take a shower, go to work to support you and your family but at the end of your work day through political legislation you are now a criminal, not just a criminal but a felon.

Please explain to me how is it we have a political system that can make criminals out of normal everyday citizens because they want to.

This should be illegal to be able to do altogether. "

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54 minutes ago, Sniper said:

Residents of New Jersey on various message boards have called the magazine ban unenforceable. Some were going as far as laughing at Gov. Murphy and his attempt at regulating magazine size.

Oh boy... 

=)

I do disagree with one main point in the article...

" But in an act of mass definace, New Jersey residents refuse to comply."

I rather think the more appropriate answer is....

"in an unplanned act of mass defiance due to the majority of gun owners unaware of the law."

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8 minutes ago, Maksim said:

Oh boy... 

=)

I do disagree with one main point in the article...

" But in an act of mass definace, New Jersey residents refuse to comply."

I rather think the more appropriate answer is....

"in an unplanned act of mass defiance due to the majority of gun owners unaware of the law."

True! The state did nothing to try to inform the residents of the new law. They could have easily sent out a notice to anyone with a NJFID! Sure, that would not help those who never purchased a gun here and just moved here with them, but relying on word of mouth or the MSM getting the word out is just irresponsible!

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1 hour ago, Maksim said:

I rather think the more appropriate answer is....

"in an unplanned act of mass defiance due to the majority of gun owners unaware of the law."

Agreed.  I think those of us on NJGF and similar sites are a distinct minority.  All of us are aware of the changes, and most have complied.  (Or at least those of us who did not have boating accidents).  But I'm pretty sure that's not true for those less plugged into 2A news.

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2 minutes ago, 70gto said:

At least our last governor pardoned several folks who broke the law unintentionally, I dont think this will be the case for the new one, i believe they are aching to make an example of some poor working guy who is not up to speed and gets jacked up 

Yep. And all while protecting thousands of violent illegal aliens. 

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8 minutes ago, 70gto said:

At least our last governor pardoned several folks who broke the law unintentionally, I dont think this will be the case for the new one, i believe they are aching to make an example of some poor working guy who is not up to speed and gets jacked up 

Even without prison time, the consequences of a felony conviction include loss of the right to vote, and loss of the right to own firearms in all 50 states, so still pretty bad. 

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2 hours ago, Maksim said:

"in an unplanned act of mass defiance due to the majority of gun owners unaware of the law."

True, every one of these type of article has some sensationalism in them. They could have stated that the majority was just unaware, but that doesn't sell 'clicks".

But the fact remains, they're all felons today. Ignorance of the law doesn't work  as a defense in the courtroom.

 

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Can't draw much of a conclusion with the information in the article. Not turning them in to PD doesn't at all = Not complying. Of course they could be mag blocked, sent out of state, etc, etc. And then as maksim posted just ignorance of the law which is likely the biggest bucket of them all. (Given them to cop's would be the worst choice, even worse then destroying them, IMO).

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24 minutes ago, Sniper said:

True, every one of these type of article has some sensationalism in them. They could have stated that the majority was just unaware, but that doesn't sell 'clicks".

But the fact remains, they're all felons today. Ignorance of the law doesn't work  as a defense in the courtroom.

 

except when you are LE or a township of course

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38 minutes ago, Combat Auto said:

Can't draw much of a conclusion with the information in the article. Not turning them in to PD doesn't at all = Not complying.

I think that's the whole point of the article. The state has no idea what the level of compliance is. They know hardly anyone turned in mags, but they have no idea if there are many still in their original form, or sent away, or modified.

That will keep them guessing until they start kicking in doors and checking. :o

 

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What a shocker. No one is turning in magazines because it's a dumb law that is practically impossible to enforce. There's no reimbursement in cash and no replacing with 10 round mags. No offers to modify the magazines for us to be compliant. Just hand it in and deal with the loss.

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22 hours ago, Old Glock guy said:

Even without prison time, the consequences of a felony conviction include loss of the right to vote, and loss of the right to own firearms in all 50 states, so still pretty bad. 

that hasn't stopped gangbangers in newark from having guns or illegals in california from voting. at all

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20 hours ago, Greenday said:

What a shocker. No one is turning in magazines because it's a dumb law that is practically impossible to enforce. There's no reimbursement in cash and no replacing with 10 round mags. No offers to modify the magazines for us to be compliant. Just hand it in and deal with the loss.

If they made you turn them in the 5A would require the state to compensate you.  If they did that, the state would have millions of "dangerous" over 10 Rd magazines they couldn't resell as that would be counter to their argument that they are "dangerous".  NJ can use that money for more important purposes as paying lawyers to represent illegal aliens.  NJ just says you can't own them in NJ.

Replacing them with 10rd magazines?  Modifying them for you?  Once again it would cost them money.  That's asking the state to take care of all your needs.  Very socialist.

I don't want the state involved in supplying my magazines as I don't want them involved with my guns.  If you left it up to Trenton they would provide you with a 1 Rd magazine in a bolt action, no evil feature AR that has 5 safeties you have to disengage before you could shoot it.  It would also include a timing mechanism so you could only shoot 1 Rd every 20 minutes. They'd still claim they are complying with the 2A.

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On December 15, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Combat Auto said:

Can't draw much of a conclusion with the information in the article. Not turning them in to PD doesn't at all = Not complying. Of course they could be mag blocked, sent out of state, etc, etc. And then as maksim posted just ignorance of the law which is likely the biggest bucket of them all. (Given them to cop's would be the worst choice, even worse then destroying them, IMO).

Of course not since there's no requirement to turn them in. 

The whole article is just back patting unadulterated  bull snout.

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If this is true that the majority of people did not comply, they may as well just go for broke at this point and get a bunch of 30+ rounders in PA/DE. Same penalty as 15 rounds if I am not mistaken. :ninja:

On a related note, most NJ gun owners are too busy with everything but firearms. Most probably don't even have a clue that they're breaking the law.

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1 hour ago, Persona non grata said:

f this is true that the majority of people did not comply, they may as well just go for broke at this point and get a bunch of 30+ rounders in PA/DE. Same penalty as 15 rounds if I am not mistaken. :ninja:

Ha Ha... yep.. It's not like they give you an extra year in jail for every round over 10. Hell, I'd go for 50 round drum mags, go big or go home.

1 hour ago, Persona non grata said:

On a related note, most NJ gun owners are too busy with everything but firearms. Most probably don't even have a clue that they're breaking the law.

I bet that's like 90% of them. Hardly anyone knows about the new law. Should be a field day for LEOs waiting outside all the ranges. They'll be able to fill bus loads full of felons.

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It'd be funny to have a "Million Mag March" on Trenton.  Bring your 30rd mag body mags.  I think most would bring 10/30's but there would be a few 15/30 and straight 30's that some will bring because molon labe and whatnot.  But, could you imagine Trenton and SP cops trying to detain everyone with a 30rd mag body.

 

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1 hour ago, Sniper said:

 

Should be a field day for LEOs waiting outside all the ranges. They'll be able to fill bus loads full of felons.

Exactly how many people do you know that have been busted for >15 Rd magazines, assault weapons, etc by cops waiting outside any range?

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10 minutes ago, GRIZ said:

Exactly how many people do you know that have been busted for >15 Rd magazines, assault weapons, etc by cops waiting outside any range?

Absolutely NONE... but everyone was hiding under their beds and not taking their 15 rounders to the range all Summer, because Nappen said they could get busted for transportation of "High Capacity Mags" after the mag law was signed in June.

So, you're saying there's zero chance anyone will get nailed leaving a range with a +10 rounder now?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Sniper said:

Absolutely NONE... but everyone was hiding under their beds and not taking their 15 rounders to the range all Summer, because Nappen said they could get busted for transportation of "High Capacity Mags" after the mag law was signed in June.

So, you're saying there's zero chance anyone will get nailed leaving a range with a +10 rounder now?

 

 

What about all those years before Nappen was giving his advice?  I'm talking back to 1990 not just the past few months.

A cop needs reason to stop you first of all.  Leaving a range is not probable cause to search your car for >10 Rd magazines.  Or anything else for that matter.  How many cops do you think NJSP, Prosecutors Office, and local departments do you think they have to assign to "magazine enforcement"?  I'm sure Drunk Driving Checkpoints and other operational considerations have a much higher priority.

Zero chance?  There is never a zero chance for anything.  The world is not absolutes.  Close to zero chance of getting stopped leaving a range with >10 Rd magazines unless you do something very stupid.

Give it time. We'll see who's correct.

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the biggest liability you're leaving yourself open to is say you're driving to/from the range and you get in an accident. The accident's bad enough where you can't drive your car, you're going to take your guns out as you wait for your ride home. Now they're out in the open of course they're gonna check them out. Otherwise if you get pulled over, what's in your trunk is your right to privacy. 

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On 12/15/2018 at 12:19 PM, Old Glock guy said:

Agreed.  I think those of us on NJGF and similar sites are a distinct minority.  All of us are aware of the changes, and most have complied.  (Or at least those of us who did not have boating accidents).  But I'm pretty sure that's not true for those less plugged into 2A news.

I don't know about that... Several people where I work know about this and they don't even own guns. I'm sure on the grand scale many do not know or even care but I am glad to see no one turned in any magazines. Even if only 10% are aware that's 100,000 gun owners in defiance. Good job guys and we stand with you!!! 

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