xXxplosive 823 Posted December 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, sota said: have your shit in a locked container, with an actual lock on it. No, you may not search my LOCKED container. Happened to me years back...was driving home from an early morning hunt in a snow squal and a woman skidded into my truck...LE arrived and we had the most respectful cop ever. Knew I obviously had a gun in the truck plus ammo even before I told him...they ended up towing my truck and he said to me, just get your gun, put it in my trunk and I'll give you a ride home....which he did.....nicest guy ever...heard later on he resigned due to politics in the Dept. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 679 Posted December 31, 2018 @Downtownv Saw similar article in the Blaze today: https://www.theblaze.com/news/report-new-jerseys-large-capacity-magazine-ban-isnt-going-well Sounds like LE have no idea on how to enforce other than as an add-on. I expect Murphy and Grewal will be presenting statistics over the next year or so to show how much gun crime and violence had been reduced as a direct result of the law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Downtownv said: With that in mind, there’s no reason to be surprised that New Jersey residents aren’t flocking to turn in their magazines. Being in prison beats in a coffin any day of the week. On one hand, I can see his point, on the other hand, not really sure if being in prison for years beats a coffin. Kinda in the same category in my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted December 31, 2018 Wow, not one reported turn in! NJ is badass, we got some street cred now yo! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,322 Posted December 31, 2018 Let's face the facts. If it were not for this forum, I for one would not even know about the new 10 round limit! I visit gun shops and my range and I don't see any signs anywhere about a ten round limit. I have not heard anything in the media about it except for links to such found here at NJGF. I would bet that about 10% of affected PRNJ gun owners, (Those who own 10+ round mags), know about the law. The other 90% are Felons and don't even know it! Of the people here, Some shipped them to a free state, some converted them, Some got a couple 10s for the range and sandbagged the 15s while others will rightfully not comply at all. Not one mention here of giving their mags to their local PD. If any PD did get any, they would take them home and not report or keep track of them, just like ammo that people find and turn in, LEOs keep it for burn ammo at the range. I seriously doubt anyone here will ever get burned by this stupid law. It will be one of the 90% who never knew about the limit that gets busted! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, JohnnyB said: Let's face the facts. If it were not for this forum, I for one would not even know about the new 10 round limit! I visit gun shops and my range and I don't see any signs anywhere about a ten round limit. I have not heard anything in the media about it except for links to such found here at NJGF. I would bet that about 10% of affected PRNJ gun owners, (Those who own 10+ round mags), know about the law. The other 90% are Felons and don't even know it! Of the people here, Some shipped them to a free state, some converted them, Some got a couple 10s for the range and sandbagged the 15s while others will rightfully not comply at all. Not one mention here of giving their mags to their local PD. If any PD did get any, they would take them home and not report or keep track of them, just like ammo that people find and turn in, LEOs keep it for burn ammo at the range. I seriously doubt anyone here will ever get burned by this stupid law. It will be one of the 90% who never knew about the limit that gets busted! Cheyenne has one in their air gap . I was at a class at TTC a week or so ago and one gentlemen spoke out he was not aware. ( everyone else was silent... good sign) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,322 Posted December 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, Zeke said: Cheyenne has one in their air gap . I was at a class at TTC a week or so ago and one gentlemen spoke out he was not aware. ( everyone else was silent... good sign) I will still bet the overwhelming majority do not know about the limit yet. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, JohnnyB said: I will still bet the overwhelming majority do not know about the limit yet. Not only that, I bet there are 15s going to the range everyday by people who don't know they're felons. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted January 1, 2019 18 hours ago, Sniper said: Not only that, I bet there are 15s going to the range everyday by people who don't know they're felons. I agree. I know a couple of older guys who go pistol shooting once or twice a year (they're mainly rifle and shotgun shooters) and they didn't believe me when I told them about the new law. One guy said, "I went shooting last week with my Glock (15 round magazines) and nobody stopped me". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,680 Posted January 21, 2019 The first rule of fight club, Is don't talk about fight club. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted January 21, 2019 Wonder how well 10 round mags would have worked in this situation ... https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/01/john-boch/houston-defender-in-home-invasion-shootout-kills-three-of-five-attackers/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 21, 2019 51 minutes ago, tomk62 said: Wonder how well 10 round mags would have worked in this situation ... https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/01/john-boch/houston-defender-in-home-invasion-shootout-kills-three-of-five-attackers/ Saw that this morning. More to that story for sure. But to answer your question, not well. Also brings the rifle vs pistol argument for hd into play. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 4:58 PM, Zeke said: Saw that this morning. More to that story for sure. But to answer your question, not well. Also brings the rifle vs pistol argument for hd into play. Part of NJ's arguement for lower capacity magazines was that self defense incidents usually consist of x amount of rounds fired. Someone on this forum basically agreed with the state and said to the effect, "you're not going to be fighting off the Taliban, it's going to be one crackhead." 5 guys with rifles trying to break into one's home looks like the work of the Taliban to me. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 823 Posted February 3, 2019 Didn't we have the James Bond gang working Somerset, Bergen, Morris counties just to mention a few and the home security vids shown on youtube show at least 4 making entry armed...and how many robbed Florio's parents in a home invasion......trouble doesn't make an appointment and to predict so is a fools game....OMO. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,680 Posted February 3, 2019 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bighungry618 450 Posted February 3, 2019 "I'm your huckleberry" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted February 4, 2019 Million plus my a$$. I am disgusted with 90% of those that exercise their Constitutional Rights in this state. if there is a lack of compliance it is because of being uninformed. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Underdog said: Million plus my a$$. I am disgusted with 90% of those that exercise their Constitutional Rights in this state. if there is a lack of compliance it is because of being uninformed. Keep in mind the media's role in this. Those on the left want to say we had major break through on gun control. (passing 10 round laws) Those on the right, won't pay attention to any logic and scream this out as "gun owners said FU to the state." The real answer as we know, and so would anyone who actually lives in NJ is that most gun owners simply were not aware of the law unless they were actively going to the range, shopping for a new gun, are a forum member here, or are on one of the groups' email lists. So that would be what, 100k? Tops? Out of the 1.2 million gun owners in NJ. Realistically, the way to be effective and inform people would be instructing towns to send out letters to registered FID holders and requiring FFLs to add a notice. Of course, the NJ and National 2A media whores will not be focusing on that. =) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danno 127 Posted February 4, 2019 Regardless of how many people knew or didn't know, NO ONE turned in a magazine. I think this says something. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Danno said: Regardless of how many people knew or didn't know, NO ONE turned in a magazine. I think this says something. Everyone I know knew. And they know others Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wreckless 34 Posted February 5, 2019 Yup, most know. All my friends know it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 823 Posted February 5, 2019 They know in other states too what happened at the time................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted February 6, 2019 You know it, they know it and grandma knows it, that the intent of these stupid laws is nothing but making "paper" criminals out of law abiding citizens. Next time someone gets arrested (and they will) for having banned magazines over 10 rounds, I wonder how many of us will say "too bad, like it or not, the guy did break the law". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, jackandjill said: You know it, they know it and grandma knows it, that the intent of these stupid laws is nothing but making "paper" criminals out of law abiding citizens. Next time someone gets arrested (and they will) for having banned magazines over 10 rounds, I wonder how many of us will say "too bad, like it or not, the guy did break the law". I think for the next few years... we will be 100% behind them... especially if they are otherwise law abiding... BUT... brand new gun owners, and those that have either gone to the range or FFL in the past, ought to know it. There is a difference between a 70 year old retiree who has not purchased a gun in 25 years versus a 30 year old with an FID and Permits on which the ink did not even dry. =) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danno 127 Posted February 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Maksim said: I think for the next few years... we will be 100% behind them... especially if they are otherwise law abiding... BUT... brand new gun owners, and those that have either gone to the range or FFL in the past, ought to know it. There is a difference between a 70 year old retiree who has not purchased a gun in 25 years versus a 30 year old with an FID and Permits on which the ink did not even dry. =) Not in the eyes of the law there isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted February 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Danno said: Not in the eyes of the law there isn't. Of course, you are quite right. You were just asking about us, as a gun community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimB1 554 Posted February 11, 2019 Well, I think there’s probably one more dynamic in play here, people that just didn’t have any +10 round magazines to get rid of. If you are a 1911 fan or use 45 acp as your main round, a lot (most) of those guns are less than 10 rounds anyway. A lot of 10mm guns are 10 round or less, If you have a small, bedside 9mm a lot of those smaller guns are 6 -10 rounds, if you shoot revolvers or lever action rifles there are no high cap mags to deal with, a lot of hunting rifles are 5 round mags, shotguns are generally not an issue, etc. I suspect a lot of the gun owners in NJ only have one or two guns maybe a shotgun or a bedside revolver, those people aren’t effected by this at all.. -Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted February 11, 2019 5 hours ago, JimB1 said: I suspect a lot of the gun owners in NJ only have one or two guns maybe a shotgun or a bedside revolver, those people aren’t effected by this at all.. You're completely forgetting about the volume of rifles that are owned. Even the basic Ruger 10/22, which many people own, originally came with a 25, then we got neutered to 15, now 10. Just about every semi-auto rifle sold takes a mag that's 10+. Plus, most mid size and larger semi-auto 22, 9mm, .40 handguns take double stack mags that are 10+ It's a lot wider of an issue than you think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites