Bt Doctur 188 Posted January 21, 2019 Today in the bright sunshine , clear, dry roads of east brunswick around 2 pm the salt trucks were out in force putting down so much salt it looked like snow covered roads. Now how much of this salt is getting into the ground killing it. and why are we salting dry roads? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted January 21, 2019 Not sure how it was for the Brunswick’s but I am assuming it would be because during the day the snow and sleet were melting.... and would undoubtedly turn to black ice. North of 78 has tons of ice... but in either case, it was damned if you do damned if you don’t. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bt Doctur 188 Posted January 21, 2019 the line posted was pretty correct, central nj was all rain sat into this morning. All the nasty stuff was well north. Vt was like 3 feet in spots Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted January 21, 2019 Salting dry roads has a benefit not only for severe icing conditions but for plowing snow as well. The first I remember some doing this is about 45 years ago. The melt it creates enables a plow to clear the snow down to the pavement. PA has been using brine on the PA Turnpike for maybe 20 years. It has the same effect. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted January 21, 2019 8 hours ago, GRIZ said: Salting dry roads has a benefit not only for severe icing conditions but for plowing snow as well. The first I remember some doing this is about 45 years ago. The melt it creates enables a plow to clear the snow down to the pavement. PA has been using brine on the PA Turnpike for maybe 20 years. It has the same effect. The salt separates the lock between the ice and ground. When we get snow and rain and ice, i have to snow blow my driveway, drop salt, and wait about an hour... i can then get the thin layer of ice up with a snow shovel pretty easily... with out the salt, no way... and it would take way too much salt to just melt it all. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, JackDaWack said: The salt separates the lock between the ice and ground. When we get snow and rain and ice, i have to snow blow my driveway, drop salt, and wait about an hour... i can then get the thin layer of ice up with a snow shovel pretty easily... with out the salt, no way... and it would take way too much salt to just melt it all. Out of brine. @10X isn’t brine jus Sodium or magnesium , or calcium ; chloride in aqueous? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted January 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zeke said: Out of brine. @10X isn’t brine jus Sodium or magnesium , or calcium ; chloride in aqueous? 20%+ sodium chloride in aqueous. They basically just dissolve road rock salt so it spreads evenly on the roads and doesn't get kicked off. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, JackDaWack said: 20%+ sodium chloride in aqueous. They basically just dissolve road rock salt so it spreads evenly on the roads and doesn't get kicked off. Nacl only goes so far in temps. i think magnesium gets ya -25 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Zeke said: Nacl only goes so far in temps. i think magnesium gets ya -25 I know salt is ineffective at lower temperatures. I never want to be anywhere too cold for salt to work. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted January 22, 2019 We can't afford magnesium in this broke-ass state. Last week I saw highway workers stealing salt packets out of McDonalds and dumping them into their truck. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, GRIZ said: I know salt is ineffective at lower temperatures. I never want to be anywhere too cold for salt to work. I think.... table salt works to about 24 f. Still to cold for no pants uncle Just now, Handyman said: We can't afford magnesium in this broke-ass state. Last week I saw highway workers stealing salt packets out of McDonalds and dumping them into their truck. At the kiosk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Zeke said: Out of brine. @10X isn’t brine jus Sodium or magnesium , or calcium ; chloride in aqueous? Yep, as noted by others, in this context it means NaCl in water. It could also refer to other salts in water though, or mixtures of salts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, 10X said: Yep, as noted by others, in this context it means NaCl in water. It could also refer to other salts in water though, or mixtures of salts. Ppm soluble dependent on temperature.... of course Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted January 22, 2019 Since you're talking alternatives -- I know a guy who swears by Beet juice as an ice melt Use it straight or mix it with your salt pile to make the salt work in much lower temps expensive but much safer for the environment and our vehicles -- Go ahead, look it up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Heavyopp said: Since you're talking alternatives -- I know a guy who swears by Beet juice as an ice melt Use it straight or mix it with your salt pile to make the salt work in much lower temps expensive but much safer for the environment and our vehicles -- Go ahead, look it up I have heard of this before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 22, 2019 Salt is not for snow, but for ice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Ray Ray said: Salt is not for snow, but for ice. And French Fries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,708 Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Ray Ray said: Salt is not for snow, but for ice. And Pretzel's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted January 22, 2019 15 hours ago, Heavyopp said: Since you're talking alternatives -- I know a guy who swears by Beet juice as an ice melt Use it straight or mix it with your salt pile to make the salt work in much lower temps expensive but much safer for the environment and our vehicles -- Go ahead, look it up It’s a thing, pretty effective thanks to the sugar, and also the fact that it provides a way to dispose of waste beet juice left over from sugar beet processing Adding anything to water lowers its freezing point (and also raises its boiling point-that’s why antifreeze does both), so it’s just a matter of picking what is most effective (or least damaging) for the price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites