Jump to content
Sniper

China, Russia Building Super-EMP Bombs for ‘Blackout Warfare’

Recommended Posts

Got batteries, canned food, firewood and toilet paper? Could be a long quiet vacation from this forum (and from lights, heat, driving, TV and open stores).

Several nations, including China and Russia, are building powerful nuclear bombs designed to produce super-electromagnetic pulse (EMP) waves capable of devastating all electronics—from computers to electric grids—for hundreds of miles, according to a newly-released congressional study.

A report by the now-defunct Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from EMP Attack, for the first time reveals details on how nuclear EMP weapons are integrated into the military doctrines of China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran.

The report discloses how those states could use EMP attacks in theaters of battle in the Middle East, Far East, Europe, and North America.

"The United States is particularly vulnerable to this new type of warfare, because we have come to rely on information systems and computerized technologies," said Peter Pry, a former CIA officer, commission member, and author of the new report.

"Much of the administrative information in the armed forces goes through the civilian internet," he said. "Ours is the most technologically advanced society, and therefore the most susceptible to attack. What is surprising is that our enemies do not consider an EMP attack to be an act of nuclear war."

EMP-area-coverage.jpg

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-russia-building-super-emp-bombs-for-blackout-warfare/

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/30/2019 at 11:28 PM, Sniper said:

Got batteries, canned food, firewood and toilet paper? Could be a long quiet vacation from this forum (and from lights, heat, driving, TV and open stores).

Several nations, including China and Russia, are building powerful nuclear bombs designed to produce super-electromagnetic pulse (EMP) waves capable of devastating all electronics—from computers to electric grids—for hundreds of miles, according to a newly-released congressional study.

A report by the now-defunct Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from EMP Attack, for the first time reveals details on how nuclear EMP weapons are integrated into the military doctrines of China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran.

The report discloses how those states could use EMP attacks in theaters of battle in the Middle East, Far East, Europe, and North America.

"The United States is particularly vulnerable to this new type of warfare, because we have come to rely on information systems and computerized technologies," said Peter Pry, a former CIA officer, commission member, and author of the new report.

"Much of the administrative information in the armed forces goes through the civilian internet," he said. "Ours is the most technologically advanced society, and therefore the most susceptible to attack. What is surprising is that our enemies do not consider an EMP attack to be an act of nuclear war."

EMP-area-coverage.jpg

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-russia-building-super-emp-bombs-for-blackout-warfare/

 

Im sorry this is fake news......it is unproven tech and not achievable......  right @W2MC ???  :facepalm:

Let this sink in...90% die off year one....

 

14 minutes ago, myhatinthering said:

those little gennies from harbor frieght will be worth millions if that happens...lol

Diesel gennies not gas

6 minutes ago, remixer said:

This has been an issue for ages, its sad our government refuses to spend a few billion to fix it..

 

read the book One second after.

Frightning

 

 

^^^^^^^this

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We are on borrowed time, I bet a solar EMP hits earth before any of this nonsense takes place. 

 

And those diesel generators.... lol. If you think an EMP could be that powerful a generator will be the first to go with its copper windings, and most likely grounded to your homes electrical system. They are literally powered by creating magnetic fields.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
44 minutes ago, USRifle30Cal said:

Im sorry this is fake news......it is unproven tech and not achievable......  right @W2MC ???  :facepalm:

Let this sink in...90% die off year one....

 

Diesel gennies not gas

^^^^^^^this

gas will be fine and those gennies will work.  not to mention, easy to convert to nat gas or propane if needed

20 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

We are on borrowed time, I bet a solar EMP hits earth before any of this nonsense takes place. 

 

And those diesel generators.... lol. If you think an EMP could be that powerful a generator will be the first to go with its copper windings, and most likely grounded to your homes electrical system. They are literally powered by creating magnetic fields.

happened in the 1800s I believe and messed with the poles

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
57 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:

Also, this will not happen.  Take the tinfoil hat off.

 

11 minutes ago, siderman said:

dont throw out those foil hats, use them to cover your genny.

History is your friend, happy reading. Ever hear of the Carrington Event?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

 

1 hour ago, USRifle30Cal said:

Diesel gennies not gas

Propane generators, not diesel or gas.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, remixer said:

read the book One second after.

Frightning

Here's the link to the PDF, this should be read by EVERYONE!!!

https://epdf.tips/one-second-afterb57f885b34b4c266285e7e07d035da1197724.html

I read it on a plane trip a few years ago, very interesting, will hopefully make you think.... and PREP!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ha... that was going to be my next post. Grab a car alternator and a rototiller, and you'll be able to rig up a charging system that will charge batteries and run 12 volt lights.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, siderman said:

dont throw out those foil hats, use them to cover your genny.

what are you 5yrs old?

20 minutes ago, remixer said:

 

FWZFZZAGBVJBTAK.LARGE.jpg

lol...that's what kids are for!!!!!!!

12 minutes ago, Sniper said:

Ha... that was going to be my next post. Grab a car alternator and a rototiller, and you'll be able to rig up a charging system that will charge batteries and run 12 volt lights.

need instructions on this!  youtube anyone?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, siderman said:

Huh?

your post intimates tinfoil hats where no one is going anywhere near tinfoil conspiracy theory here.  It's antagonistic when no one is debating anything or taking sides. 

If I'm wrong I apologize but don't see it here

3 minutes ago, Sniper said:

awesome

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, Ray Ray said:

Generators will be useless, since all circuit boards will be cooked. 

Also, this will not happen.  Take the tinfoil hat off.

 

10 hours ago, myhatinthering said:

your post intimates tinfoil hats where no one is going anywhere near tinfoil conspiracy theory here.  It's antagonistic when no one is debating anything or taking sides. 

If I'm wrong I apologize but don't see it here

awesome

I was responding toRayRays post and was a lighthearted suggestion of putting those tinfoil hats to good use protecting the gennys from a emp.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said:

I'm sorry this is fake news......it is unproven tech and not achievable......  right @W2MC ???  :facepalm:

Let this sink in...90% die off year one....

I said it was unproven as a weapon (it still is) and few countries could achieve it.  Russia could do it; as could China.  Iran?  North Korea?  No.

I am also still looking for your "90% die off".

You need to turn-off your snark.

 

EDIT 

OK - I finally found your "90%" reference.  Its footnote/source is "Staff Paper, Congressional EMP Commission Examples From Testimony And Reports That Fatalities Could Be High Numbering Millions And 90 Percent Of Population, EMP Task Force On National And Homeland Security"

uh huh.......some un-named, un-vetted, un-available staff paper.  Not much of a reference.  I still question 90%.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, Sniper said:

 

History is your friend, happy reading. Ever hear of the Carrington Event?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

 

Propane generators, not diesel or gas.

You can't hand crank a propane generator, you need a battery powered starter. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, W2MC said:

I said it was unproven as a weapon (it still is) and few countries could achieve it.  Russia could do it; as could China.  Iran?  North Korea?  No.

I am also still looking for your "90% die off".

You need to turn-off your snark.

 

EDIT 

OK - I finally found your "90%" reference.  Its footnote/source is "Staff Paper, Congressional EMP Commission Examples From Testimony And Reports That Fatalities Could Be High Numbering Millions And 90 Percent Of Population, EMP Task Force On National And Homeland Security"

uh huh.......some un-named, un-vetted, un-available staff paper.  Not much of a reference.  I still question 90%.

Its Unproven but in theory it would work. I think there are many countries that would be able to produce such a weapon over the next 10 years. The transfer of tech from 1st to 3rd world countries happens quickly these days....

The 90% number is accurate when you account for all the issues that no power would cause.

Those in the hospital who are already critical
Those who require daily medication and refrigeration (insulin)
Food Preservation
Water Purification
Heating and Cooling
Basic Hygiene.

Think of how many would die from the common cold.... Flu season not to mention the other disease that would pop up known and unknown in most major cities. 

I think it would affect the US most then most countries as we are very reliant on power.  Other countries 3rd worlders would have issues as well but not nearly the levels the US would have.

Another issues is restoring power.... A good percentage of the parts required to bring the grid back online are not even made in the US and i would assume those countries who do make those parts will be  using them to restore there own power and those of neighboring countries to avoid invasion from those still in the dark.

There was a show or news story i forget that was explaining the issues with manufacturing the transformers and the time it takes to have them delivered.. A serious EMP or Grid Hack (which can be just as bad) would leave the majority with out power for more then a year.  On top of that the dog eat dog mentality that will take hold would make it impossible for most of the grid to be restored even with the parts and man power on hand.   Our interstates would become pirate playgrounds.

Only chance of survival would be prepare yourself... Have food. Water filters / Water, Firearms, Crank radio (protected prior to the attack) etc etc

Those who rely on the government are fucked...  I would guess those in rural areas are more fucked then most as the government would attempt to restore services to the cities on a priority level due to the number of people.

We would really be on our own with little to no chance for a quick government resolution.

 

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, W2MC said:

I said it was unproven as a weapon (it still is) and few countries could achieve it.  Russia could do it; as could China.  Iran?  North Korea?  No.

I am also still looking for your "90% die off".

You need to turn-off your snark.

 

EDIT 

OK - I finally found your "90%" reference.  Its footnote/source is "Staff Paper, Congressional EMP Commission Examples From Testimony And Reports That Fatalities Could Be High Numbering Millions And 90 Percent Of Population, EMP Task Force On National And Homeland Security"

uh huh.......some un-named, un-vetted, un-available staff paper.  Not much of a reference.  I still question 90%.

Food runs out for most people in 1 week. Can more than 10% of the population find their own food their after? 

Remember, there will be NO FEMA. They will be feeding the chumps in government hunkering down..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

BTW it wont be Russia or China. Those countries are very reliant on the US to maintain there own economies.

The response from such an attack by Russia or China would be devastating on those countries. We would without question light them up to the point where they would be inhabitable for 1000 years. I Have no doubts out strategic defense is 100% protected from EMP not to mention our sub fleet.

Its most likely will be a country run by mad men (Religion) who think more afterlife them here on earth.

2 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

Food runs out for most people in 1 week. Can more than 10% of the population find their own food their after? 

Remember, there will be NO FEMA. They will be feeding the chumps in government hunkering down..

I think about this on a regular basis... I already have a few neighbors picked out that i plan to eat...

 

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, W2MC said:

This does not worry me.... Its more of a Look where i have bombers...   Subs are the thing to worry about.....

One sub can wipe out multiple cities... and are not so easy to detect and can get close.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, JackDaWack said:

You can't hand crank a propane generator, you need a battery powered starter. 

Incorrect, you certainly can. They are no different then a gas generator. They have traditional pull cords, just like a lawnmower. Why do you say you can't hand crank them. The only difference is propane is a gas not a liquid in the carb.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • NJGF members in chat (2)



  • Supporting Vendors

  • Latest Topics

  • Posts

    • For the way it burst, it's not a real squib. It would have to be an underloaded cartridge that stopped basically right at the muzzle. This is unlikley but possible.  My guess is the following:  There's probably something wrong with the metal of the barrel. They got a bad batch of stainless with impurities or weird crystal structures or something. Much like SA did when they had the spate of stainless slides snapping off at the slide cut on their 1911s.  It is also not uncommon for the machining for a lever action with a tube magazine to negatively impact the boar as far as accuracy on a good sample, and this is often due to the machining changing the bore diameter or roundness.  Combine that with bum steel and the fact the angle on the dovetail is a stress riser, and one of two things happened.  1) It was a bad enough combination that it the bullets hammering into the bore constriction were able to basically split the end of the barrel open.  2) Lots of soft lead ammo was being shot, and the  bore restriction at the cut was effectively scraping off some lead and causing a build up until #1 happened.  #2 could in theory happen badly enough to kill a gun without bad steel being involved, but usually you stop shooting first and try to figure out why your gun is do horribly inaccurate.   
    • 12ga. Flash bangs .........don't know if they are Jersey Legal...used in Alaska quite a bit to move bears.
    • What article are you reading? At no point does he argue 300 million gun owners. He points out there are about 250 million adults in the us and the at least number for how many guns per capita are in circulation.  The biggest number he poses as actual resistance is the veteran population at about 20 million.  I'd argue that the scenario is very wrong as a whole, but more on that at the end.   The estimates are that the number of gun owners in the US are 100 million. The number that owns them is smaller than that.  The only ownership stat he gins up is that to get all the semi-autos, you would have to raid 9 million households. This is based on his estimate of number of semi-auto guns out there (which is probably conservative for the reason he states), and his math of netting 3 prohibited guns per raid. Which Is a number that may be high or low. I really can't say. LOTS of people tend to own way more than one semi auto rifle. On the other hand, how good would the data mining be to target things successfully? My guess is that the number of raids would have to be much higher because you would have WAY less than 100% accuracy on semi auto ownership.    This is where I think a whole bunch of people stop thinking rationally, and the author's nod to the IRA is apt, and it becomes important to keep in mind that the number of raids is seriously, seriously optimistic.  His math is a bit off. Doing some rounding to whole numbers, it's really 869 raids per team, and thus 869 raids per officer to hit that optimistic number. Assuming no attrition, casualties, etc.  There's ~100 million gun owners.  The question is how many of them do you get?  There's also another ~200 million non gun owners. the question is what will they put up with before they see the government as a problem?  Because the reality is you are likely going to have to kick down WAY more than 9 million doors to get them all. Even at 9 million, that's basically one in every 13 homes.  And that is if they ONLY ban semi auto rifles and things work out beyond optimistically. Realistically, even with high quality data mining, face to face sales, 80% receivers, etc will mean going to a number of households larger than that, AND so far the stupidity seems to want to include semi auto pistols. So... WAY. WAYYYYY more households than that.  But lets be kind and say double it.  That means kicking in the door of about 1 in 5 households. That will generate opinions amongst the populace.  And he already suggested how it would be organized. It'll be the guys you know and trust. You ahve a handful of buddies you have known forever? One of them jsut got capped by a SWAT team last weekend and you are getting together after the funeral for a drink and really pissed off? Maybe you get to talking about how some fuckers need to pay?  How many more people when they hear rumors of things that sound like they might be talking about you will give you a ring to let you know something might be happening but without putting any real skin in the game?  This is how it happens at the very least. More organized than that? Look at how many gangs we have in the US. They have their own governing documents and rules and such. They are arguably competing forms of government in some locations.  As a concept, the havock the IRA caused was with WAY less guns and with a peak of at best about 5000 active trouble makers. A lot more sympathetic ears and people willing to be low commitment on the fringe, but 5000 really problematic ones.    I do think he is optimistic about the retribution on the ruling class. I suspect it would look much more like enough cops get killed that the cops collect their pay checks while knowing the cops just don't go into that part of town for anything real.      I don't totally disagree with you. I have said before and I will say again that all politicians are scum. they don't care about anything but gathering power and influence and not wanting to work to retain it.  If a ban ever did come about, there would be NO intention of enforcing it thoroughly. Just like there has been zero attempt made to really enforce ANY gun control law to date thoroughly outside of already regulated entities.  Whenever something happens, nothing effective is suggested to prevent crime. What is suggested is  something that would make it harder to mint new gun owners and to stifle the existing social structures of gun owners.  Why? Because to the mind of a politician they see it as destroying a voting block that opposes them FOREVER. They will likely remain opposed, but opposed and unorganized and to diffuse into other voting blocks. They don't do anything about the crime because crime creates fear, and fear can be used to gather votes. Enforcement will be arbitrary and periodic so they can keep the former gon owning voting block afraid to stand up on the subject, and keep the anti-gun voting block intact and in fear of the evil criminal gun owners. Because if you actually solved the "problem" of gun owners, the anti-gunners could vote for whoever now. If you actually fixed the criminal problem, your voters who want law and order out of fear could go vote based on other priorities.  The only real point of conversations like this are to point out how people are being lied to, and how those who give a crap need to focus on the other strategies and put some effort into them.  IMO the real hazard for CW2.0 surrounding guns is that we DO get a half assed ban, and some politician thinks because they said it is so, it is truly so. And decides to do something else incredibly stupid that lets them find out how many guns they didn't actually confiscate. 
    • Remember, it only takes 3% to produce "change".. What could 3,000,000 "focused" individuals accomplish in the country? Averaged out, that would be 60,000 per state. Could 60,000 pissed off gun owners take over control of NJ? How about half that number?
    • Yes to be considered a farm and get the farmland accessment it must be 5 acres or more and you have to make over certian amount of money from the farm. But you dont need to own a farm to own livestock
×

Important Information