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23 hours ago, Zeke said:

@remixer the only thing we have to compare is sandy. And that didn’t bring the nation to a halt. As far as “ dirty bombs” their is an advisory to not eat seafood caught in the pacific nw( at least what my aunt conveyed to me , and she lives there) cuz... phook u shima 

what woulda happened if there were say.....a dozen sandys in key places all at once?

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22 hours ago, Sniper said:

Sandy was a localized event that only lasted a  week for most people. Plus, we had days advanced notice to be prepared.

An EMP, even if localized, would catch people off guard and unprepared, and would last longer than a week to get fixed, even if there were any immediate repairs that could be done. In many places, electronics would be fried, to NEVER restart.

You think a multi-state EMP would have no effect on the nation?

plenty of people were still unprepared for sandy. i recall seeing all the wailing from people 'cause they couldn't get gas, they couldn't charge their phones, etc......most were totally unprepared for that from my viewpoint.

 then there was the looting.

 

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9 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

what woulda happened if there were say.....a dozen sandys in key places all at once?

See that’s not my argument responding to @voyager9 and @remixer. Localized events are not nation stoppers regardless of how dramatic.

Small scale vs coordinated large scale? Small players do small scale, big players do large scale. Is an emp bad? Yes

Do we have real world knowledge how to emp proof our stuff? Not so much, a lot of theory from disconnecting batteries to faraday cages 

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16 minutes ago, Zeke said:

See that’s not my argument responding to @voyager9 and @remixer. Localized events are not nation stoppers regardless of how dramatic.

Small scale vs coordinated large scale? Small players do small scale, big players do large scale. Is an emp bad? Yes

Do we have real world knowledge how to emp proof our stuff? Not so much, a lot of theory from disconnecting batteries to faraday cages  

ok Local... Event... Combine Sandy with 911.  

Attack on our country and on top of that power outage for 2 weeks.

 

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42 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Localized events are not nation stoppers regardless of how dramatic.

Localized events without a fixable endpoint are. We know after a storm, within a few days, everything starts to return to normal. Fried electronic on cars, businesses, powerplants, computers, phones, telecom, and everything else attached, even in a small region is definitely a nation stopper, just by the economic disruption alone.

42 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Small scale vs coordinated large scale? Small players do small scale, big players do large scale.

9/11 was done by a small group of players. What affect did that have on the region and economics?

25 minutes ago, remixer said:

Attack on our country and on top of that power outage for 2 weeks.

From a EMP would have HUGE affect on the country. We know what a hurricane does, who causes it and what it takes to rebuild. A EMP from an unknown player would have  a BIG affect on the psychology in the country, plus it would be a NEW event, so most people would be clueless on how to deal with it, not to mention their phones would be paperweights, so they couldn't "Google" any information.

All local businesses, banks, ATMs. gas stations, etc. would be shut down, due to non-function cash registers, inventory control, and the ability to process credit cards. Since 80% - 90% of people swipe for EVERYTHING, these people will get hungry really quickly.

To underestimate what affect a local EMP would have on the area and country is ignorance.

 

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5 hours ago, 1LtCAP said:

plenty of people were still unprepared for sandy. i recall seeing all the wailing from people 'cause they couldn't get gas, they couldn't charge their phones, etc......most were totally unprepared for that from my viewpoint.

 then there was the looting.

 

That was a minor event and only what ten to 12 days for some - imagine that for 1 month - 2 months - 6 months......

 

They say there is no such thing as zombies.......but take people that cant get what they want when they want it they become animals ready to pounce and feed - maybe more like locusts.......

5 hours ago, Zeke said:

See that’s not my argument responding to @voyager9 and @remixer. Localized events are not nation stoppers regardless of how dramatic.

Small scale vs coordinated large scale? Small players do small scale, big players do large scale. Is an emp bad? Yes

Do we have real world knowledge how to emp proof our stuff? Not so much, a lot of theory from disconnecting batteries to faraday cages 

Really?  Why then is Verizon hoarding all old switch gear and telephone systems and sending them to the USMIL to be placed in Cheyenne MTN?

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5 hours ago, Sniper said:

 

To underestimate what affect a local EMP would have on the area and country is ignorance.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  THIS

 

.22 Rifles, .22 Ammo, Silver will be gold in such an event........................

 

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Just remember, Sandy was a localized hurricane event that many people had pre-planned for. It's also an event that happens regularly, so people normally handle these type of events.  Look what it cost, in money, deaths and housing:

Cost: Superstorm Sandy caused $65 billion in damage in the U.S., making it the second-costliest weather disaster in American history behind only Hurricane Katrina, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Deaths: Sandy, the largest Atlantic system on record, killed 159 people, according to NOAA.

Homes destroyed: Sandy damaged or destroyed at least 650,000 homes and 250,500 insured vehicles. More than 300,000 business properties were also affected, according to a report from global reinsurance firm Aon Benfield.

Power: During Sandy's immediate aftermath, more than 8.5 million customers lost power, according to FEMA.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/29/sandy-anniversary-facts-devastation/3305985/

How would an EMP, hitting that same area, with no idea of when power restoration would take, affect it?

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1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said:

what effect did that shooter(s) have on commifornia? the whole states le was nearly paralyzed for what? 2 weeks? how about the search for frein? same thing I think. 

Exactly.

I touched on that a few weeks ago here. The guy's name was Chris Dorner, a cop from LA. He tied up thousands of county wide and state wide LEOs for like two weeks searching for him. You can search for the thread.

One guy....

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15 hours ago, Sniper said:

Exactly.

I touched on that a few weeks ago here. The guy's name was Chris Dorner, a cop from LA. He tied up thousands of county wide and state wide LEOs for like two weeks searching for him. You can search for the thread.

One guy....

yep. now imagine a dozen of him. then add in the normal criminal activity which will pick up as resources to deal with it are hampered......things can go sideways real fast.

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Here's a thought.

 

So there's an EMP event which is expected to knock out the power grid, cars, phones, etc.

What makes anybody think getting their generator started is going to help? The regulator on the output of the genset would be similarly fried, would it not?

Water, food, shelter and warmth are all you need to survive. Electricity is not required for any of those.

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4 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

What makes anybody think getting their generator started is going to help? The regulator on the output of the genset would be similarly fried, would it not?

Don't you have your generator wrapped in tin foil?

5 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

Water, food, shelter and warmth are all you need to survive. Electricity is not required for any of those.

Without electricity, how will people be able to log into NJGF?

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21 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  THIS

 

.22 Rifles, .22 Ammo, Silver will be gold in such an event........................

 

absolutely.....

1 hour ago, Mr.Stu said:

Here's a thought.

 

So there's an EMP event which is expected to knock out the power grid, cars, phones, etc.

What makes anybody think getting their generator started is going to help? The regulator on the output of the genset would be similarly fried, would it not?

Water, food, shelter and warmth are all you need to survive. Electricity is not required for any of those.

pull start generators will not be affected.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Sniper said:

Exactly.

I touched on that a few weeks ago here. The guy's name was Chris Dorner, a cop from LA. He tied up thousands of county wide and state wide LEOs for like two weeks searching for him. You can search for the thread.

One guy....

just look at the 2 from mass and how much resources were devoted to finding them.

In a national emergency, it's fend for yourself because police have their own families to worry about.  You want to survive, prepare, plan, have a group you can trust that are like minded and with you, pool resources

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3 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

How do you figure? The starting mechanism has nothing to do with the power coming out of the generator once it is running. 

 there was an Army report that was posted on ar15.com and there was an Army report that was posted on ar15.com and one of the survival board areas on small pull start motors and how they will not be affected by an EMP. Many of the smaller motors do not have energy Regulators on them so the output is just free flow oh, there's a lack of circuitry to be affected

 plus, one can build a plus, one can build a hit and miss motor by going to Home Depot in about an hour and a half Max.

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On 2/8/2019 at 9:20 AM, remixer said:

I would guess those in rural areas are more fucked then most as the government would attempt to restore services to the cities on a priority level due to the number of people.

I think those in rural areas would come through in MUCH better shape than those in cities.    Better prepared, less dependent on the grid and government services in the first place, lower population density competing for resources.   And they grow the food.

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1 hour ago, Mr.Stu said:

Here's a thought.

 

So there's an EMP event which is expected to knock out the power grid, cars, phones, etc.

What makes anybody think getting their generator started is going to help? The regulator on the output of the genset would be similarly fried, would it not?

Water, food, shelter and warmth are all you need to survive. Electricity is not required for any of those.

More importantly if you’re close enough to the EMP to fry the generator circuits than anything you had plugged in at the time will also be fried. 

That said, these types of events will target central sources of generation or cities. Effects will drop off (inverse square) with distance.  Devices in most residences wouldn’t be impacted. 

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36 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

How do you figure? The starting mechanism has nothing to do with the power coming out of the generator once it is running. 

That's a good point. You'll be able to pull start the motor, and get it running, but will any voltage regulation circuits be affected? Generators have some sort of voltage regulation to stabilize the output or inverter circuitry.

Time for some research...

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7 minutes ago, Sniper said:

That's a good point. You'll be able to pull start the motor, and get it running, but will any voltage regulation circuits be affected? Generators have some sort of voltage regulation to stabilize the output or inverter circuitry.

Time for some research...

Not all do, tjos hgarborvfreight 1k watt ones do not.  there is no assurance that circuitry would be effected as well.  it is a crap shoot of sorts

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2 hours ago, myhatinthering said:

Not all do, tjos hgarborvfreight 1k watt ones do not.  there is no assurance that circuitry would be effected as well.  it is a crap shoot of sorts

I was thinking more about that earlier. Actually, it is a crap shoot, as a big issue is, how close you are to the detonation. The effects are reduced, based on distance, so some electrical items might not be affected. I would think the generator would be lower on the list of items harmed.

Where I think the issue lies is how damaged the main transmission system gets. That could be knocked out for quite a while. So, items in your house or generator could be OK, but you have no power transmission to the house for an extended period. That's where the genny would be a plus.

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24 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

Them again, it's probably the only things that would work in ur house. 

Actually no, it's not. Many small appliances would still work, electric heaters, or small electronic items like radios that weren't plugged into the wall, and didn't get a spike from the EMP. Even older washers and dryers (with mechanical timers), well pumps or water heaters would probably work.

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17 hours ago, Sniper said:

Actually no, it's not. Many small appliances would still work, electric heaters, or small electronic items like radios that weren't plugged into the wall, and didn't get a spike from the EMP. Even older washers and dryers (with mechanical timers), well pumps or water heaters would probably work.

What makes you think any of this stuff would work? The High energy of an E3 H-EMP would knock out anything with a motor or that which even relies on even the smallest amount of circuitry. If The car in ur driveway is getting the spike, every thing in your house is... and anything that is plugged in is guaranteed to be fried. A radio runs on the same exact freqiences as EMPs and is probably the most sensitive... even unplugged or with batteries removed... 

Any electronic, plugging in or not, that is sensitive to current(amperage) would be garbage.

If the event is any smaller than a E3 H-EMP,  Then your probably just looking at anything plugged into the grid not working, so even ur car should still fire up. I think even a Well pump might still work since they are very beefy and deep in the ground.

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