Pelosi makes veiled threat to gun rights

[124gr9mm 859]

In response to reports that Trump will declare a National Emergency to get wall funding, Pelosi implied that the move would pave the way for a Democrat President to go after guns by declaring a National Emergency.

Building a wall and a Constitutional Right are very different things, but she's an old, crazy lady so it's possible that she's tipping her hand at the agenda for the Democratic party going forward.

I think she'll definitely drive up gun sales, so retailers will be happy.

i hope she's just posturing...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-warns-republicans-trumps-national-emergency-sets-precedent-for-future-democratic-administrations

[Displaced Texan 11,742]

She’s just talking smack. 

[Zeke 5,504]

What ever occurs today will be challenged in court. Likewise with Pelosi’s hypothesis.

But I don’t think this is apples to apples comparison. Could a president declare an emergency and suspend voting? The only purpose of the government is protect the welfare and safety of its citizenry.

[Darrenf 422]

[1LtCAP 4,263]

while she's a nutbag, she's not stupid. she knows that she nor any president cannot do that. she's talking shit hoping that trump will back down.

 that said....i'm on the fence(pun intended) about the emergency thing. if he sets a precedent, it can/will be used for bad shit in the future.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said:

while she's a nutbag, she's not stupid. she knows that she nor any president cannot do that. she's talking shit hoping that trump will back down.

 that said....i'm on the fence(pun intended) about the emergency thing. if he sets a precedent, it can/will be used for bad shit in the future.

This would do nothing to stop the next president from declaration of any NE. There is no precedent to set. They are going to do what ever they can get away with anyway regradless of what Trump does, provided they win. 

Do not think for one second that what Trump does today will have any bearing on what they will do tomorrow.... They are already planning what they will do tomorrow regardless of what happens today.

 

This is a thin threat, they would pull a NE on guns if they wanted to or though it would stick, regardless of what Trump's does...

 

I say, let these idiots continue to dig their hole... The talking points for the next election are mounting in the most wonderful way.

[bennj 215]

There have been 58 national emergencies declared since 1976, 31 of which are still active. Obama declared 11 himself, some like DACA are clearly unconstitutional but never challenged,, how is Trump's declaration any different?

[voyager9 3,434]

1 hour ago, bennj said:

There have been 58 national emergencies declared since 1976, 31 of which are still active. Obama declared 11 himself, some like DACA are clearly unconstitutional but never challenged,, how is Trump's declaration any different?

Trump’s border wall NE re-appropriates funds. Something that is Congress’s job according to the Constitution. The other NE declarations did not do that. 

 

[Bully 749]

8 hours ago, bennj said:

There have been 58 national emergencies declared since 1976, 31 of which are still active. Obama declared 11 himself, some like DACA are clearly unconstitutional but never challenged,, how is Trump's declaration any different?

 

6 hours ago, voyager9 said:

Trump’s border wall NE re-appropriates funds. Something that is Congress’s job according to the Constitution. The other NE declarations did not do that. 

 

And...  It's Trump.  

I've had multiple Dems in conversation that think the wall is an ok idea but are opposed to it because Trump.  No other real reason.  Just him.  Sad.

When I opposed the things Big-Daddy "O" did it was because I didn't agree with the action.  My feelings toward him were/are inconsequential to my decision.  These folks are a different breed.  

[Screwball 483]

I actually do want to see where this leads in court...

Have to consider that under Obama, this was widely supported by those who are denying Trump now. Get the right judge, and you might see Congress obstructing a cause for the national emergency.

While I am not going to say whether or not it was the correct method, blatantly changing views because you want to go against an elected official is wrong. If the judicial system is going to be the check/balance, so be it. However, I feel the legislature is the underlying cause of this, just like the original shutdown. Persons like Pelosi and Schumer have got too comfortable in there positions... and this is the result.

[BobA 1,235]

I, for one, am tired of the piece meal horse playing. I’m ready for the whole ball of wax to go to the SCOTUS. I want a finial ruling on these rights and have it over with. Now granted my wish would be better served if Ginsberg would fall down a flight of stairs but I say let’s go. I’m not getting any younger. 

[father-of-three 243]

22 hours ago, 1LtCAP said:

while she's a nutbag, she's not stupid. she knows that she nor any president cannot do that. she's talking shit hoping that trump will back down.

 that said....i'm on the fence(pun intended) about the emergency thing. if he sets a precedent, it can/will be used for bad shit in the future.

I think the Dems will do whatever they want when they get the chance, but it will excite them to say they did it because Trump did it.

[BobA 1,235]

As important as it is to get Trump re-elected no one should lose focus that equally or even more important are the next rounds of house and senate seats. If the senate goes south Trump will be just another potted plant in the White House. 

[Underdog 1,593]

it will be hard for Trump to get elected when liberals and dead people seem to vote more than once on any given election.  Ballots are found in automobiles, etc. 

[bennj 215]

I'm far from being a constitutional scholar, but I think statues 33 code 2293 and 10 code 2808 allow the president to re-appropriate funds as necessary due to national emergency.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

I hope she does.

[Sniper 6,372]

8 hours ago, BobA said:

If the senate goes south Trump will be just another potted plant in the White House. 

In reality, he's a potted plant NOW for the next two years. He won't get anything meaningful done or passed through the House.

[BobA 1,235]

4 minutes ago, Sniper said:

In reality, he's a potted plant NOW for the next two years. He won't get anything meaningful done or passed through the House.

The senate is all he needs after Ginsberg’s demise. 

[Sniper 6,372]

42 minutes ago, BobA said:

The senate is all he needs after Ginsberg’s demise. 

There's more to what's going on in the country, economy, etc. than just the few cases the SC hears.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

12 hours ago, BobA said:

The senate is all he needs after Ginsberg’s demise. 

Ok so he slightly more useful than a potted plant. While justice picks are extremely important, this SCOTUS season will tell us if they actually plan on protecting the Constitution.

[Sniper 6,372]

4 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

Ok so he slightly more useful than a potted plant. While justice picks are extremely important, this SCOTUS season will tell us if they actually plan on protecting the Constitution.

True, while SC picks are important, they only hear/argue like 70 - 80 cases a year out of the 7000 - 8000 thrown to them. What they decide has very little affect on most peoples daily life. The Constitution has turned into a floor mat in this country.

On the other hand, trade deals, economic deals, healthcare rulings, etc. HAVE an affect on most people's daily lives, so getting meaningful legislation that helps the "little people" is more beneficial. This is where he's going to be a potted plant the next two years. Don't expect anything meaningful to be passed in the near future.

[BobA 1,235]

Gun freedom, late term abortion, boarder control, taxation without representation, a cow’s right to fart and probably the out come of the next presidential election. 

They could have some interesting things ahead still. 

[silverado427 10,717]

[Displaced Texan 11,742]

The one word I would use for Pelosi will get this thread moved to 1st A...

[Kevin125 4,772]

1 hour ago, silverado427 said:

Senile

[raz-0 1,259]

On 2/15/2019 at 10:29 AM, 1LtCAP said:

while she's a nutbag, she's not stupid. she knows that she nor any president cannot do that. she's talking shit hoping that trump will back down.

 that said....i'm on the fence(pun intended) about the emergency thing. if he sets a precedent, it can/will be used for bad shit in the future.

 

On 2/15/2019 at 9:56 PM, bennj said:

There have been 58 national emergencies declared since 1976, 31 of which are still active. Obama declared 11 himself, some like DACA are clearly unconstitutional but never challenged,, how is Trump's declaration any different?

 

This. Trump wouldn't be setting any kind of precedent. That has been long since done. This is just the point where you get to tell the Dems told ya so. 

The only thing new this term was the way bump stocks were made NFA items. The dems could abuse the shit out of that. With that precedent sitting around, Obama's attmpt to executive order his way to gun control would have gotten a lot more answers from the brass at BATFE other than.. well all shotguns are for sale under an DD exemption, so you could make all of them DDs easily.