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59 minutes ago, BobA said:

These suits going one at a time to the SCOTUS either would drive everyone broke or just not get heard.  All this needs to go as "not to be infringed".  All this is an infringement without a doubt.  

I agree with that. The piecemeal one at a time case won't produce the overall effect. It has to be a "All or Nothing" brute force by some powerful people and big legal minds to stop the total infringement as one complete package. These politicians need to be put on notice that we're done being their doormats.

But, is there such a force that can be assembled to make that happen?

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2 minutes ago, Sniper said:

But, is there such a force that can be assembled to make that happen?

I believe there could be.  I believe there's enough money and brains in all the organizations nation wide to accomplish this. But can they be organized?  Can they stay honest with that kind if money and power?  Who knows? But I believe the resources are there.

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2 hours ago, Sniper said:

I agree with that. The piecemeal one at a time case won't produce the overall effect. It has to be a "All or Nothing" brute force by some powerful people and big legal minds to stop the total infringement as one complete package. These politicians need to be put on notice that we're done being their doormats.

But, is there such a force that can be assembled to make that happen?

Is that even legally possible?  Usually cases have to be against specific laws/statutes/etc and you need a plantif with standing.  Even specific cases tend to stay specific for fear of being to general and shot down.  

That being said, small cases can have huge ramifications. 

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1 minute ago, voyager9 said:

Is that even legally possible?  Usually cases have to be against specific laws/statutes/etc and you need a plantif with standing.  Even specific cases tend to stay specific for fear of being to general and shot down.  

That being said, small cases can have huge ramifications. 

Ok. Roe vs Wade covered total abortion rights nation wide. A gray couple wanted a wedding cake and it led to national gay rights. Cheeseman, the mag law, bump stocks, anything could lead to an argument of infringement. 

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2 hours ago, Maksim said:

That was addressed.  And it presents the fact that quite frankly most people don't know the updated laws.... no one got a memo in the mail and I will be getting more involved in spreading that message and the stupidity of some of these actions.

All well and good. But you shouldn’t have to. These infringements shouldn’t  be here and the “states rights” to impose them is what should be challenged instead of nickel and dime suits. 

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9 hours ago, Bully said:

From NJ2AS: 

 

A source close to the Murphy administration has confirmed with NJ2AS that he will be advocating to raise the cost of a firearm identification card to $300 and also raise the cost of a retired law enforcement conceal carry permit to $150. We expect this announcement to occur during his budget address Tuesday afternoon.

Governor Murphy has expressed support to raise the fees in the past. ”It's hard to believe it's actually cheaper to get a permit to purchase a handgun, which is $2, than it is to get a dog license in practically any town in our state," Murphy said at a June 13, 2018, bill signing.

We reached out to Senate Democratic leadership and they decline to comment on speculation.

Historically fees and taxes have been used against minority communities of color to suppress their constitutional rights, such as voting and firearm ownership. Poll taxes were used to prevent minorities and people of color from voting, and laws banning certain types of firearms were enacted to prevent the poor and freed slaves from owning guns.

After the Civil War an influx of inexpensive firearms began to flood the market due to years of overmanufacturing and modernization of manufacturing processes. These factors significantly lowered the cost of firearms and it opened a new marketshare for minorities and low-income customers. In response to this, white supremacists in Tennessee helped enact the “Army and Navy Law” which banned the sale of all handguns except for the most expensive model available at the time, the Army Navy model. In essence it completely ended the ability for poor blacks in the south to be able to purchase firearms.

A more modern and commonly known example of this form of discrimination, that was heavily supported by the KKK, is known as “Saturday Night Special” laws enacted from the 1960’s to 1980’s. These laws specifically banned inexpensive and “junk guns” because they were being used in crimes in low-income neighborhoods, but also purchased by blacks and minorities for self defense. A study by Kleck and Patterson titled ‘The Impact of Gun Control and Gun Ownership Levels on Violence Rates’ found no reduction in crime rates.

In June of 2018, Bryan Miller from an organization called ‘Heading God’s Call to End Gun Violence’ stated to NJ.com: "The state has not raised these fees for 52 years while every other cost in the world has gone up significantly," said Bryan Miller, executive director of the group Heeding God's Call to End Gun Violence. "The governor's budget has these fees in it. The legislative leadership budget does not. Somehow, I don't think that's an accident."

Our NJ Firearms ID card came into being two years before the Gun Control Act of 1968.  The Sill Act of 1966 (named after Arthur Sill, Richard Hughes's Attorney General) resulted in the ID card, the Permit to Purchase system, and the "justifiable need" provision.  I am told that the Sill Act is modeled after the Gun Control Act of 1938............. implemented in Nazi Germany.  Hughes and Sill allegedly managed to get a translated coy of the 1938 Act from Richard Blumenthal,  US Senator from Connecticut to use as a blueprint.  And now we have federal buildings honoring Hughes with his name on them.

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25 minutes ago, BobA said:

I guess I’m saying instead of going to the scotus and fighting because Murphy outlawed plastic revolver grips. Go under the complaint of rights infringement under the 2A. 

They (NJ or current congress) will just legislate the meaning of infringement. They like to re-write the natural laws of biology and physics so I won't put it past the Dems.

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12 minutes ago, dilbert1967 said:

Our NJ Firearms ID card came into being two years before the Gun Control Act of 1968.  The Sill Act of 1966 (named after Arthur Sill, Richard Hughes's Attorney General) resulted in the ID card, the Permit to Purchase system, and the "justifiable need" provision.  I am told that the Sill Act is modeled after the Gun Control Act of 1938............. implemented in Nazi Germany.  Hughes and Sill allegedly managed to get a translated coy of the 1938 Act from Richard Blumenthal,  US Senator from Connecticut to use as a blueprint.  And now we have federal buildings honoring Hughes with his name on them.

And the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 was taken DIRECTLY from a translated copy of the Nazi gun laws by then-CT Senator Thomas Dodd

 

For much more info on the subject, please visit the website of Jews For The Preservation of Gun Ownership  http://www.jpfo.org

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29 minutes ago, siderman said:

They (NJ or current congress) will just legislate the meaning of infringement. They like to re-write the natural laws of biology and physics so I won't put it past the Dems.

That’s what’s happening now. That’s exactly why the SCOTUS decides these things. And changing that process is a monumental task even for congress. We need them, this Court, to make a decision. 

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1 minute ago, Ray Ray said:

What does Anthony Simon always say during his speeches?

"Gun control is a 300 year old racist strategy."

Or something to that affect. 

There’s a lot to be said about that. And that may have been. But could be now it sometimes feels it’s a strategy to suppress more than one race but the whole populous. 

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6 minutes ago, BobA said:

There’s a lot to be said about that. And that may have been. But could be now it sometimes feels it’s a strategy to suppress more than one race but the whole populous. 

Races integrate, now its caste oppression.

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2 hours ago, voyager9 said:

Is that even legally possible?   Usually cases have to be against specific laws/statutes/etc and you need a plantif with standing.  

They have to be addressed/attacked BEFORE they get to that point.

2 hours ago, BobA said:

I guess I’m saying instead of going to the scotus and fighting because Murphy outlawed plastic revolver grips. Go under the complaint of rights infringement under the 2A. 

Yeah, something along those lines. Make it clear to the politicians that any attempt to subvert the 2A unconstitutionally with BS Bills will bury them is such piles of legal issues, they won't see the light of day.

Right now, they have nothing to lose to throw out any BS 2A bill that they want. A major lobbying effort at the time the bill is introduced could be one answer.

Basically, we need to intimidate and harass these politicians with ALL possibilities of legal retribution. It's the same thing the Democrats have been doing to Trump, his associates, Kavanaugh, Trump's family, etc. Maybe the fear of being economically buried in legal challenges might make them think twice.

It's time to take a few pages out of the Dem/Socialist/Soros playbook.

We have to stop playing nice and being the nice guys here. Remember, nice guys finish last. (Are you enjoying your 10 rounds mags and LACK of CCW?).

 

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51 minutes ago, BobA said:

I wonder how all those other groups like the farmers and truckers and mad moms got nationwide organization to march on Washington?

They had balls and determination, they believed in what they were fighting for, had effective leadership that was able to rally support and mobilize.

Their farmers and truck drivers issues were simple and singular, where as  the 2A issue has been split off into tiny chunks that the state was able to take from us incrementally.  The plan is to take so much from us, that by the time the straw that breaks the camel's back does it's job, NJ gun owners will be too politically impotent to do anything about it.

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5 hours ago, BobA said:

All well and good. But you shouldn’t have to. These infringements shouldn’t  be here and the “states rights” to impose them is what should be challenged instead of nickel and dime suits. 

You are preaching to the choir!  

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1 hour ago, Scorpio64 said:

They had balls and determination, they believed in what they were fighting for, had effective leadership that was able to rally support and mobilize.

Their farmers and truck drivers issues were simple and singular, where as  the 2A issue has been split off into tiny chunks that the state was able to take from us incrementally.  The plan is to take so much from us, that by the time the straw that breaks the camel's back does it's job, NJ gun owners will be too politically impotent to do anything about it.

But once again though we are forgetting that the vast majority of people in NJ believe guns should be far more regulated.

Look, Slavery was once legal too.... Liberals view guns much like a few wanted to outlaw slavery, give women the right to vote, etc.

Without looking at the facts... that guns are constitutional right and outlawing them is completely stupid... the vast majority of the world controls guns... and THAT is how guns are framed in people's minds... (until they shoot a gun and realize it is no different than a kitchen knife.)

We simply need more people to be "okay" with guns and not make it the large and "safe" political issue for the majority to go after.

I.e. more NJ residents believe in banning or control guns than kicking out illegals,  or other political issues.  

And focusing on pandering to other gun owners does not expand the base of gun owners....

We should all be focused on getting more liberals and more importantly on the fence moderates, like my close friend... who generally did not see the need for guns... to trying them to now buying them up. lol. 

Instead what do we as a community do?  Run off anyone who does not subscribe to the entire agenda.  

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45 minutes ago, Maksim said:

But once again though we are forgetting that the vast majority of people in NJ believe guns should be far more regulated.

Look, Slavery was once legal too.... Liberals view guns much like a few wanted to outlaw slavery, give women the right to vote, etc.

Without looking at the facts... that guns are constitutional right and outlawing them is completely stupid... the vast majority of the world controls guns... and THAT is how guns are framed in people's minds... (until they shoot a gun and realize it is no different than a kitchen knife.)

We simply need more people to be "okay" with guns and not make it the large and "safe" political issue for the majority to go after.

I.e. more NJ residents believe in banning or control guns than kicking out illegals,  or other political issues.  

And focusing on pandering to other gun owners does not expand the base of gun owners....

We should all be focused on getting more liberals and more importantly on the fence moderates, like my close friend... who generally did not see the need for guns... to trying them to now buying them up. lol. 

Instead what do we as a community do?  Run off anyone who does not subscribe to the entire agenda.  

It still is except in NJ they're called taxpayers.

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7 hours ago, Maksim said:

But once again though we are forgetting that the vast majority of people in NJ believe guns should be far more regulated.

Look, Slavery was once legal too.... Liberals view guns much like a few wanted to outlaw slavery, give women the right to vote, etc.

Without looking at the facts... that guns are constitutional right and outlawing them is completely stupid... the vast majority of the world controls guns... and THAT is how guns are framed in people's minds... (until they shoot a gun and realize it is no different than a kitchen knife.)

We simply need more people to be "okay" with guns and not make it the large and "safe" political issue for the majority to go after.

I.e. more NJ residents believe in banning or control guns than kicking out illegals,  or other political issues.  

And focusing on pandering to other gun owners does not expand the base of gun owners....

We should all be focused on getting more liberals and more importantly on the fence moderates, like my close friend... who generally did not see the need for guns... to trying them to now buying them up. lol. 

Instead what do we as a community do?  Run off anyone who does not subscribe to the entire agenda.   

Well, we cannot point out that much of the rest of the world, and in particular where pocket knives and guns are not legal, the people suffer at unjust governments, as facts do not matter.   It doesn't matter when this puts a burden on the poor people that politicians pretend to protect.  Laws are not meant to fix the problems, but only to regulate them.  Tax-break for training to buy a safe, NO.  ONLY zero tolerance and insane and unjust laws and penalties for breaking those laws.  

It is excessively difficult when the 'State doesn't allow any discussion of firearms, firearms safety, school safety, and on and on in its institutions and is and has been relying on brainwashing and conditioning.  I don't believe that there are very few moderates. It is already polarized.  The only group that matters is the naive and uneducated and the corrupt and disingenuous media has taken care of that with its operant conditioning and desensitization to liberty.  When you go through life believing that you are not responsible for your own actions and when you have no control over your emotions, you see others as the same light as having little moral or sane compasses.  Statists prey on that fact that all liberals hear voices in their throbbing heads!

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17 hours ago, Scorpio64 said:

If noting else it will wake the Fudds up.  They sat around on their lame asses for decades saying "gee, I only hunt wabbits with my shotgun, none of this concerns me"   Well, guess what, now it concerns everyone!

Hopefully, the 55,000 hunters in New Jersey (last year's rough total) will wake up. Hunter numbers have dropped in the state each year for the last eight years. Soon, these Fudd's won't be an entity to blame. The group that's silent and are suspiciously absent from the polls on election days are the "1 million gun owners" in New Jersey who purportedly has amassed a registration count of 8 million handguns. And if they all did show up at the polls for the Kim/Phil race, less than the million cast their vote for Kim, while Phil garnered significantly more,  winning less towns overall but getting significantly more votes.  

BTW - 12 million+ hunters on a national level, yet there are supposedly 90 million gun owners in America. A small percentage hunt in this nation. Out of that 90 million, how many are NRA members? I see apathy and ambivalence, and it's everywhere. 

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9 hours ago, Scorpio64 said:

They had balls and determination, they believed in what they were fighting for, had effective leadership that was able to rally support and mobilize.

 

9 hours ago, Sniper said:

Even the MDA moms have bigger balls than most NJ gun owners.

I don't think it's ball size.  I think it's leadership and organizational skills.  Or the lack there of.

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16 minutes ago, BobA said:

 

I don't think it's ball size.  I think it's leadership and organizational skills.  Or the lack there of.

The word you're looking for is MONEY....  The Mom's astroturf movement was funded by Soros and co.

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7 hours ago, Maksim said:

Liberals view guns much like a few wanted to outlaw slavery, give women the right to vote, etc.

Which liberals are we talking about?  The ones in politics, Hollywood, education and the media that are part of a decades long social engineering project to disarm Americans Nazi style?  Or. are we talking about the liberal voters that have been brainwashed and turned into dependents who are loathe to bite the hand that feeds them?

Are you suggesting the way to win this issue is to subvert a massive political machine, backed by money from the likes of Soros, that we must infiltrate the ranks of their loyal foot soldiers, and win them over (house by house) in a massive CIA style psy-ops campaign?

If the issue was solely firearms, there might be a chance at effecting a marginal amount of influence with a charm campaign.  But, it's not just firearms, is it?  It's a massive anti tradition, anti straight white male, anti christian, anti pro life, anti bunch of stuff assault on traditional American values. 

The various liberal factions started out wanting some power and equality, they got that.  Now they want total dominance, they want to take over and change the entire culture of America.  Just look at how the Democrats are trying to push the Republican party off of the political map by awarding electoral votes to whomever has the popular vote.  They are going against the very essence of the electoral college system to create a one party socialist state.

Convincing the liberal hive to go against their queen, by letting  a handful of drones pop off a few rounds, just ain't gonna happen.  The scale of the fight we are facing is too massive.  I don't mean to say that we gun owners should not educate liberals when we have an opportunity to do so.    I am saying, to rely solely on that strategy is foolhardy.  We are fighting for more than just 2A rights.  2A is just one front of a culture war with huge implications for America's political future.

2A is just one of many dominoes the socialists want to tip over.  In fact, it's the one they want to topple the most because it stands in the way of them taking over America the way Hugo Chavez took over Venezuela. 

There is only one way we keep our 2A rights, and that is to stand up and fight.   We can do other things to influence opinions, and it may be somewhat helpful, but that alone will not be effective enough to win.

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4 hours ago, Cemeterys Gun Blob said:

I have always asked this.

Where is the activism from our gun owning compadres on the Left side of the aisle in NJ?

 

No doubt there are many lefty Socialists that do in fact own guns......But they dare not advertise that fact publicly . They would be shunned by their fellow libtards in a heartbeat!  Especially if they admitted to owning more than just a rifle or shotgun that belonged to their Grandfather. God forbid they admitted to owning a "Fully Semiautomatic Black Rifle" or two!

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