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New Zealand to ban all assault arms, ‘military-style semi-automatic weapons’ IMMEDIATELY

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11 minutes ago, EX Carnival man said:

If we didn't have a 2nd Amendment ours would  be gone by now too.  Thank God for the founders 

Sadly, that doesn't mean anything. It hasn't stopped a certain political party from passing unconstitutional laws. Have you been paying attention lately?

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On 3/21/2019 at 12:57 PM, PeteF said:

Shes gonna find out she has less power than she thinks.   After the Australia gun turn in fiasco, I anticipate compliance to be nil.

People don’t empty stores to turn in their wares

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They do take and take.  Sooner or later typical slob politicians that they are they go too far. Like Washington DC. and Chicago  I believe its only a matter of time until SCOTUS steps in and sets NJ straight. Look how many states have gone Constitutional Carry.   Its not all bad news Sniper

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20 minutes ago, 45Doll said:

Well it's two and a half months later, and so far 525 guns have been turned in.

I saw that today, apparently Reuters has been listening (incorrectly) to that Swalwell dude....

...."Two months ago, Reuters breathlessly reported, “New Zealand police expect tens of thousands of firearms to be surrendered by a guns buy-back scheme.” Law enforcement authorities averred that “it could be more.” Pregnant with the expectation that gun owners would trade their firearms for cash, the political class is nonplussed by the results. In reality, New Zealand is quite heavily armed per capita, with an estimated 1.2-1.5 million guns in a country of approximately 4.7 million people.

Only 530 guns have thus far been turned in to the authorities."

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I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

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1 hour ago, Morton said:

I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

You start out your post with “I’m not anti-gun, but...” then give a lot of anti-gun talking points. That’s probably going to get you some flack. 

Now.. if you look at purely “gun deaths”, the majority are suicides. Upwards of around 60%. Another 30% or so is gang-related homicide and centered on a few urban cities in the country.  So “gun deaths” is a combination of multiple problems, mainly mental health and urban blight. 

But “gun death” isn’t really the useful number anyway. Does it matter if someone was shot, stabbed, beaten, or poisoned?  Homicide/murder is the problem, though it’s the lowest it’s been in decades.   If you look at those numbers by state/country then the US is pretty average  against comparable countries. 

Id post references but I’m on Mobil at the moment. 

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1 hour ago, Morton said:

I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

Well you clearly understand what the 2A is all about- fun at the range....care to expand on your "extremely simple" remark?

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2 hours ago, Morton said:

 Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window?

Maybe he would have driven a truck through the crowd?  Maybe he would have crashed a plane into the crowd?

Maybe you just dont understand where there is crazy there is a way.

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2 hours ago, Morton said:

I am anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

i fixed it for ya. there is no struggle to find arguments for us.

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Check out this video's message last week about history from John Lovell at his brilliant site Warrior Poet Society:

 

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15 hours ago, Morton said:

I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

Welcome to the most successful country in the world despite its dumb-ass progressive minority.

Nothing like  European busybodies or conniving US Democrat Socialist statists pretending to be European citizens giving up their freedoms and forcing their illogic and tyrranical policies on others. 

Please provide data that criminals have NOT used guns in crimes in Great Britain since those unjust laws were passed?  Have other weapons been used?  Didn't they pass laws against carrying pocket knives too, those enlighten Brits.  and yet there are knife crimes.  How did it work out at the children's camp in one of your gun-free zones?

 Just because you collectivists are too irresponsible and too emotional to own a firearm doesn't mean that others aren't.   When humans are dumbed down, indoctrinated, and taught not to be responsible for their actions they excel in stupidity.  Study history and then shoot your mouth off Moron.  How many people were killed during this last century from Europeans that decided to start a couple of World Wars, establish concentration camps, ship people to Siberian graves, and influence other bastions of freedom such as Red China and North Korea, etc.... Mass murder by governments would seem to be a bigger threat to human life than all of the mass shootings.  AND, how many people are saved every day by firearms, or the possibility that they could be used.    Why not provide all coverage of gun interactions, instead of just a one-sided version?   It is too bad you are "pussled".

 

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from my personal experience anytime someone attempts to make a reassuring statement before saying something is attmepting to justify their own cognitive dissonance. 

Example “I'm not an anti gun man, 

Than proceeds to make anti gun statements. 

 

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4 hours ago, Morton said:

I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

So.. just so you know. The crazy dude who shot up vegas? He had a pilots license. How many people would he have killed ahd he decided to kamikaze a plane into the crowd instead of jsut shoot at them from a distance. 

 

Also go fuck yourself.  

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To Sniper, I am tired of the LEFT controlling the discourse, troll or not!  

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6 hours ago, Morton said:

I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

Who joins a gun forum at 5 in the morning and posts this garbage? Resurrecting a thread from a month ago nonetheless. 

 

By all means, provide us with an argument so I can be entertained. 

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5 hours ago, voyager9 said:

You start out your post with “I’m not anti-gun, but...” then give a lot of anti-gun talking points. That’s probably going to get you some flack. 

Now.. if you look at purely “gun deaths”, the majority are suicides. Upwards of around 60%. Another 30% or so is gang-related homicide and centered on a few urban cities in the country.  So “gun deaths” is a combination of multiple problems, mainly mental health and urban blight. 

But “gun death” isn’t really the useful number anyway. Does it matter if someone was shot, stabbed, beaten, or poisoned?  Homicide/murder is the problem, though it’s the lowest it’s been in decades.   If you look at those numbers by state/country then the US is pretty average  against comparable countries. 

Id post references but I’m on Mobil at the moment. 

Gun deaths and Gun violence are intentionally misleading phrases used by leftists to make their fraudulent argument look legitimate.  You correctly point out the facts that these government loving sloths choose to hide.

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2 hours ago, Underdog said:

To Sniper, I am tired of the LEFT controlling the discourse.  

He's a single "hit and run" poster... You guys need to dial it back with your knee jerk reactions to these trolls. You're giving them exactly what they want, emotional responses... you have no idea who these trolls are. Give them a chance to "out" themselves with a few more posts.

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10 hours ago, Morton said:

I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

Go the eff back to Norway - there it is said.................  we do not need the likes of you in our ranks.....

 

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” 
― Samuel Adams

And that there in an of itself is the issue - you are a pussified European........

Above all else the freedom to keep and bear arms, to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, the right to free speech the right to seek life liberty and the pursuit of happiness without the interference of government...are PARAMOUNT above all else.

"Bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Morton said:

I'm not an anti gun man, have great pleasures shooting on the range. But as an european (Norwegian) it pussles me how the US pro gun communities always struggle to find all kinds of unlogical and strange arguments for liberal or no gun controls in the name of freedom. Like Trump's argument that Britains strict gun laws results in an epidemic knife crime rate. Well.. how many would the Las Vegas shooter hit with knives from the hotel window? The whole thing is extremely simple. Texas alone had more than 3500 deaths by guns in 2017, New Jersey! 478 and Great Britain 98. Contrary to many US states, some are learning something from their mistakes and takes action.

Go back to Norway.

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