Sniper 6,372 Posted March 29, 2019 Florida University students are asked if they would share their GPA with less fortunate students, since they feel that the rich should share their wealth with the less fortunate. Recent surveys have shown that the younger population support Socialism over Capitalism. Watch their faces when asked to clarify both: Would college students support a policy that would force those with high GPAs to donate part of their own GPA to help those with lower grades? With the recent rise of politicians like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, more people than ever support socialist policies. But would they support socialist policies when it came to their GPA? We went to Florida International University to find out. 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted March 29, 2019 That's not an example of socialism... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted March 29, 2019 Perhaps you could elaborate with something beyond your personal conjecture? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Greenday said: That's not an example of socialism... How is it not. Why shouldn't those students who only get good grades because of their privileged upbringing that gives them a more robust academic background than their less advantage peers pay some back to level the passing field. Doubly so for the fiscally privileged students that have more study time and less academic stress due to wealthy family or scholarships and grants? From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. Seriously. If you are in a scholarship that only needs a 3.0 average, everything else is gravy and should be given back to the community for the greater good. You don't need it, and to paraphrase Obama,you didn't get those grades yourself. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted March 30, 2019 We have a similar discussion with our kid’s friends but use tips as the example. Funny how none of them want to share their tips with coworkers that don’t work the same amount... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilbert1967 145 Posted March 30, 2019 20 hours ago, Greenday said: That's not an example of socialism... You're right, that's not an example of socialism. I may be incorrect but I think the person posting might have been pointing out that you can't "give" a portion of your GPA to another student....and his point was the students being interviewed never caught on to that fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, dilbert1967 said: You're right, that's not an example of socialism. I may be incorrect but I think the person posting might have been pointing out that you can't "give" a portion of your GPA to another student....and his point was the students being interviewed never caught on to that fact. You missed the point completely. The video wasn't about "giving" a portion of your GPA, he was using that as an example, as something some students work hard for and earn, while other students sit on the asses and don't work hard. The guy in the video couldn't use money that the kids had, as they are all broke, which is why they embrace Socialism, taking money other people who had worked hard for, and giving it to them, who don't want to put in the effort. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 30, 2019 Here is another example of what the guy in the video was trying to prove to the kids. Same point: Does socialism work? A classroom experiment http://www.thecommentator.com/article/646/does_socialism_work_a_classroom_experiment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted March 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Sniper said: Here is another example of what the guy in the video was trying to prove to the kids. Same point: Does socialism work? A classroom experiment http://www.thecommentator.com/article/646/does_socialism_work_a_classroom_experiment Still not socialism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted March 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, Greenday said: Still not socialism. I think it's been well documented on here that you don't know what socialism is, and its many faces. The theory is sound, and you cant argue it.... which is why you cant defend your statement.... Thats another well documented fact around here. If you have something of substance to argue.... well that would be a first... but let's hear it? 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted March 30, 2019 Quote Socialism is an economic theory of social organization that believes that the means of making, moving, and trading wealth should be owned or controlled by the community as a whole. So a grade is wealth in school. So certainly making the “trading” and “moving” of grades controlled by the student body would be more socialist than each students grade being calculated individually. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted March 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, voyager9 said: So a grade is wealth in school. So certainly making the “trading” and “moving” of grades controlled by the student body would be more socialist than each students grade being calculated individually. A grade is the first thing they had to work for. Mommy and Daddy worked for everything else. So that they'll defend. Everything else came free. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Greenday said: Still not socialism. Since you're a Bernie supporter, why am I not surprised you're clueless what Socialism truly is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Greenday said: Still not socialism. Allow me to devastatingly refute your argument using the same brand of "logic" that you do: Yes, it is. Q.E.D. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted March 30, 2019 Students are conditioned to accept Statism which is dressed like socialism and presented to them. The Smurf village does not exist. The guy starts out talking about Statism and then says that we are breaking from it.... To me we are moving toward it. Americans are becoming little more than domesticated dogs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted March 31, 2019 18 hours ago, Handyman said: Allow me to devastatingly refute your argument using the same brand of "logic" that you do: Yes, it is. Q.E.D. No, it's not. The examples in this thread are of communism, not socialism. Socialism would be you pay for the class and the teacher gives extra attention to those who are struggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted March 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Greenday said: No, it's not. The examples in this thread are of communism, not socialism. Socialism would be you pay for the class and the teacher gives extra attention to those who are struggling. Please show how this concept of yours applies to the actual definition of socialism that is posted above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilbert1967 145 Posted March 31, 2019 21 hours ago, Greenday said: Still not socialism. Yes, that IS socialism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Greenday said: The examples in this thread are of communism, not socialism. Socialism would be you pay for the class and the teacher gives extra attention to those who are struggling. Wrong again. You're a Socialist Bernie Sanders supporter, yet you're clueless to his platform. Have you read anything he's posted? ...." Bernie Sanders believes that all students deserve the opportunity to receive an affordable, quality education from the earliest stages of schooling to high-level degrees. He has sponsored bills to make public colleges and universities tuition-free, as well as to drastically reduce interest rates on student loan debt. " College Tuition: All public colleges and universities should be tuition free. https://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-education/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted March 31, 2019 All I know is that Mo Fo has been blowing up my spam file begging for money! I thought his ilk despised the capitalism and all it's dirty money! i like to reply to the with this: (Although iwas NEVER a Democrap) #WalkAway,,,, I am Now a Democrat for Trump! Keep following that donkey faced AOC! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted April 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Sniper said: Wrong again. You're a Socialist Bernie Sanders supporter, yet you're clueless to his platform. Have you read anything he's posted? ...." Bernie Sanders believes that all students deserve the opportunity to receive an affordable, quality education from the earliest stages of schooling to high-level degrees. He has sponsored bills to make public colleges and universities tuition-free, as well as to drastically reduce interest rates on student loan debt. " College Tuition: All public colleges and universities should be tuition free. https://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-education/ Which is nothing like the other "studies" or whatever is posted about kids sharing grades. Ensuring that our next Einstein can still get an education even if they can't afford it? How reasonable. I see nothing wrong with ensuring quality education for those who maintain the grades to continue on. That's how most of the first world does it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted April 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Greenday said: I see nothing Finally, some truth. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted April 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Greenday said: Ensuring that our next Einstein can still get an education even if they can't afford it? How reasonable. We probably already killed our next 10 Einsteins when hapless women go to planned parenthood and have an eggbeater jammed up their undercarriage. Probably knocked of a few Martin Luther Kings, too. 1 3 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted April 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Handyman said: We probably already killed our next 10 Einsteins when hapless women go to planned parenthood and have an eggbeater jammed up their undercarriage. Probably knocked of a few Martin Luther Kings, too. Post of the day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted April 1, 2019 14 hours ago, Greenday said: Which is nothing like the other "studies" or whatever is posted about kids sharing grades. Ensuring that our next Einstein can still get an education even if they can't afford it? How reasonable. I see nothing wrong with ensuring quality education for those who maintain the grades to continue on. That's how most of the first world does it. Brilliant people, many with less than Einstein ability, usually exhibit their talent well before they get to high school. Einstein taught himself algebra, geometry, and calculus by the time he was 14. He was proving mathematical theories at age 12. He published his first scientific paper at 15. People like this have no problem getting full ride scholarships to prestigious universities. High school educations have been free in the US for years. Brilliant people are identified well before they graduate high school. IMO colleges waste too many resources attracting people who are good at athletics. They let them stumble through college just to prep them for a multimillion dollar contract for the NFL or NBA. Are you proposing we pay for the higher education of anyone capable of maintaining a C average? If so why don't you start the Greenday Scholarship Program for Average Student? A scholarship program for people who exhibit no special talent. They could major in subjects such as Eskimo Studies and other "worthy" fields. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SW9racer 262 Posted April 1, 2019 Why are colleges so expensive now, they never used to be. They are run by liberals, so why are they are fleecing their own? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted April 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, SW9racer said: Why are colleges so expensive now, they never used to be. Blame SalieMae and the like. Government assistance destroys any cost controls on tuition. Colleges can raise rates because they know it will be offset by increased scholarships. This has proven to be somewhat false in that a lot gets funneled into student debt... either is fine with the school, however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted April 1, 2019 37 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Blame SalieMae and the like. Government assistance destroys any cost controls on tuition. Anything the government gets involved in becomes MORE expensive. But the Greendays of the country think we need government control of college, pre-school, healthcare, retirement, income, energy, food production, housing, etc. etc, etc... yep, it will be a utopian fantasyland. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted April 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Sniper said: Anything the government gets involved in becomes MORE expensive. But the Greendays of the country think we need government control of college, pre-school, healthcare, retirement, income, energy, food production, housing, etc. etc, etc... yep, it will be a utopian fantasyland. You need your Soma ration increased, citizen. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted April 1, 2019 One other point... In Socialism and Communism you lose something vital that is part of humanity. It is unnatural to do things without any reward or punishment. Do you think that those students that have to share their grades with others will think it is necessary to work hard and get ahead, Greenie? Incentive is lost in the mix. Take socialist medicine say in England... Doctors are only allowed to treat a certain number of patients in a given time period. They are also only allowed to work a certain number of hours per week. So, if there is a greater need and/or demand those other patients will not be seen, and that could be a life or death situation. And it doesn't matter if those doctors would have made money hand over fist working longer hours, etc., as those additional patients might get care. Next you look at who would want to become a doctor. If a doctor's income was say capped in some way, and or the State controlled the outcomes, perhaps brilliant people that could make a difference and could also develop new ways of treatment, etc. well, they might find another career. Certainly less would follow the medical career if it lost its rewards to them. And less people being doctors, and specifically specialists would mean more people suffering.. It is against human nature to take away the motivation. And, look at those receiving the extra grade points. If the outcome doesn't matter, dear Greenie, then why would they try? And, since there is a finite amount of wealth or money to be spent on say healthcare, then non-doctors and other government officials would need to figure out where and how to spend the limited funds since in a system of mediocre that didn't have as one of its goals wealth generation, it would become like the US Postal Service and become essentially supported by the State that would then insist on more cost savings. The elite government officials would be the only ones making wealth and the whole system would eventually collapse. Has Bernie told you any of this? Ask Bernie what the incentive to excel in his Utopia would be... I wonder how much wealth the Clintons and Obama and the Bushes, and all of the Hollywood elite are all giving back to the community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites