Zeke 5,504 Posted April 14, 2019 What do you guys think? Ruger precision in 6.5 or rem 700 in 6.5 a quick search I can get a 700 tactical magpul for $300 less than a gen 3 rpr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,153 Posted April 14, 2019 Both excellent rifles, would not say no to either one, but I am partial to Ruger. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,325 Posted April 14, 2019 Get the Remmy and use the savings to put towards some good glass or extra boolets! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted April 14, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnnyB said: Get the Remmy and use the savings to put towards some good glass or extra boolets! This! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bully 749 Posted April 14, 2019 700. Both are nice. A few more options with the 700. The RPR is a chassis gun that can't go into a stock. The 700 is a stocked gun that can go into a chassis. Chassis are awesome until you need to hold it in the winter. They get less awesome after that. Some of the chassis are nice as they are polymer over aluminum. The KRG Bravo comes to mind. Text me for upgrades when you're ready. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 14, 2019 22” barrel long enough? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted April 14, 2019 I’m a fan of the Ruger but either will do. With the money you save on the Remington, take the action to Tier 1 and have it trued up. For a 6.5cm, I would lean towards a 24” barrel but a 22” will do. What do you plan on using this for? That might help the selection process Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, shooter28 said: I’m a fan of the Ruger but either will do. With the money you save on the Remington, take the action to Tier 1 and have it trued up. For a 6.5cm, I would lean towards a 24” barrel but a 22” will do. What do you plan on using this for? That might help the selection process I’d like to hit 12” steel at 1000 if I do my part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bully 749 Posted April 14, 2019 Longer is faster is flatter. 24-26" if you can stand it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted April 14, 2019 I have a 24” match barrel on my gun and hitting at a 1000 yards isn’t a problem in terms of speed. At that distance it’s me making sure I do my part in terms of trigger and recoil control 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted April 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Bully said: 700. Both are nice. A few more options with the 700. The RPR is a chassis gun that can't go into a stock. The 700 is a stocked gun that can go into a chassis. Chassis are awesome until you need to hold it in the winter. They get less awesome after that. Some of the chassis are nice as they are polymer over aluminum. The KRG Bravo comes to mind. Text me for upgrades when you're ready. Correction, RPR is NOT a chassis gun. It was designed that way from start. It was not an existing action that was dropped into a chassis. It was a gun designed from the start. It looks like a chassis, but it is a complete gun. I was corrected for that by Ruger engineers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Zeke said: I’d like to hit 12” steel at 1000 if I do my part. Any of them should have no issues. Are you going to reload or want to hunt? If so look at 6.5 PRC. About 250 FPS more than Creedmoor Also look at the Howa 1500 either as action or in MDT chassis. 12” at 1000 will not be a problem assuming you are not using garbage Ammo. Once it goes back subsonic you will have issues... but otherwise 12” not an issue. I would even say if you are going to want to do different stock or chasssis, get a Ruger American. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Maksim said: Any of them should have no issues. Are you going to reload or want to hunt? If so look at 6.5 PRC. About 250 FPS more than Creedmoor Also look at the Howa 1500 either as action or in MDT chassis. 12” at 1000 will not be a problem assuming you are not using garbage Ammo. Once it goes back subsonic you will have issues... but otherwise 12” not an issue. I would even say if you are going to want to do different stock or chasssis, get a Ruger American. Ruger American has also caught my eye. I will be reloading. I’m looking to start down the rabbit hole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 14, 2019 308, you'll thank me later. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted April 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: 308, you'll thank me later. Agreed. Simple, well known, plentiful, reliable, and affordable. Great place to start to learn. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted April 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, High Exposure said: Agreed. Simple, well known, plentiful, reliable, and affordable. Great place to start to learn. I do agree, 308 is a great place to start and learn with, especially since it will make your mistakes much bigger. The inherement ballistics of modern cartridges are much more forgiving to misreading wind, etc. of course if you do reload, you can overcome those issues by loading long. If someone is limited to factory Ammo, for target shooting, the new wonder cartridges such as 224 valk, 6mm and 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 Norma, 300 PRC are far easier to shoot well, especially at distance. 308 great to learn on. Have a video coming in a bit with an interview with Hornady engineers talking about this. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Zeke said: I’d like to hit 12” steel at 1000 if I do my part. @Zeke you can do that with your 7mm Mag. You need to roll your own to afford the ammo though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, GRIZ said: @Zeke you can do that with your 7mm Mag. You need to roll your own to afford the ammo though. Ya I know. That is happening eventually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted April 15, 2019 I have the following long range guns we can shoot if you want to play... Howa Oryx 308.... this is a Howa 1500 action and barrel in an MDT chassis. Stock from factory. Ruger Hawkeye Long Range Target in 6.5 PRC. Have coming this week Thompson Center LRR in 308... and have another undisclosed rifle in 300 PRC. Unfortunately waiting on Ammo for the 6.5 and 300. Have less than a box for 6.5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GramGun79 226 Posted April 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Ray Ray said: 308, you'll thank me later. @Zeke listen to Ray Ray on this one. 308 is a great place to start. I would get a 700 in 22-24" barrel. Like the others said you have many more options as far as stocks, chassis, ammo etc. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted April 15, 2019 At this stage of the game I see no point in starting with a 308. Especially if you intend to shoot to 1k. The price difference between match 308 and 6.5 is negligible. Why handicap yourself? I no longer even have a 308 in a bolt action precision rifle. I love the 308, I really do! But its time has passed. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medved11 71 Posted April 15, 2019 +1 for Rem 700 in .308 I've had a Ruger Precision and I've had a Tikka TAC-A1. They're both great guns but I'm glad that I switched over to the Rem 700 (.308) in the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bully 749 Posted April 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Maksim said: Correction, RPR is NOT a chassis gun. It was designed that way from start. It was not an existing action that was dropped into a chassis. It was a gun designed from the start. It looks like a chassis, but it is a complete gun. I was corrected for that by Ruger engineers. I personally don't care what the Ruger engineers say. It's a chassis gun that cannot be put into a stock. The rest is marketing and semantics. And I agree with Shane. I've shot them both and will take the 6.5 over a 308 all day. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Shane45 said: At this stage of the game I see no point in starting with a 308. Especially if you intend to shoot to 1k. The price difference between match 308 and 6.5 is negligible. Why handicap yourself? I no longer even have a 308 in a bolt action precision rifle. I love the 308, I really do! But its time has passed. Thank you! I would like to point out how much you just sounded like @Ray Ray as @GRIZ mentioned, I have a 7mm rem mag that is more than capable. I’m jus looking for better, and a little less fatiguing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted April 15, 2019 That is not possible. I was coherent and non contrarian! ! Adder, if you ARE going to reload, then the .260 has a tiny advantage. But if your going to live in the factory ammo world for the vast majority of your shooting, then go 6 or 6.5cm. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted April 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, Shane45 said: At this stage of the game I see no point in starting with a 308. Especially if you intend to shoot to 1k. The price difference between match 308 and 6.5 is negligible. Why handicap yourself? I no longer even have a 308 in a bolt action precision rifle. I love the 308, I really do! But its time has passed. I agree with this. 6.5cm ammo is everywhere now. Price is almost the same between the two rounds as well (for match ammo). The creedmore will do everything the 308 can do plus more. No need to limit yourself 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted April 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Bully said: I personally don't care what the Ruger engineers say. It's a chassis gun that cannot be put into a stock. The rest is marketing and semantics. And I agree with Shane. I've shot them both and will take the 6.5 over a 308 all day. I do agree it is semantics... but Chassis gun is precisely what you are describing, you can take the barreled action and stuff it back into a stock... You cannot do that with an RPR as it was built around its chassis looking chassis? lol. This is also one of the main differences, and again, I cannot speak with too much confidence on it beyond me shooting their "chassis" guns at a mile and beyond. By Chassis, we are talking MDT, AI, etc. That don't require bedding and typically offer more adjust-ability stock out of the box. The Chassis itself can be mated to a variety of barreled actions but generally still holds the action by a couple of screws. In the case of RPR, and again, not an expert on them by any means, my understanding from chats with designers/engineers is that it is more like barreled action is part of the stock/chassis... hence why accuracy at longer ranges out of stock gun without any hand fittings, etc. Further going off of. https://rifleshooter.com/2015/11/precision-rifle-stock-or-chassis-system/ http://www.snipercentral.com/ruger-precision-rifle-full-review-2/ I guess bottom line, it offers "chassis features" but it is not built as a chassis gun. And here is the more definitive answer... it is a "Precision MSR Stock" http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2015/07/24/ruger-precision-rifle-review/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Shane45 said: At this stage of the game I see no point in starting with a 308. Especially if you intend to shoot to 1k. The price difference between match 308 and 6.5 is negligible. Why handicap yourself? I no longer even have a 308 in a bolt action precision rifle. I love the 308, I really do! But its time has passed. Let's be realistic here, it's all the same. Gun companies want you to buy the new hotness. 556? Played out 308? Too old 45acp? Too big 10mm! Wow! 6.5 Creedmore! Amazing 300BLK! A game changer! No, they are not. Buy a 308 @Zeke, it is proven and reliable and plentiful. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 15, 2019 a caliber war devolution. @Bully and @Shane45 are my spirit animal @Ray Ray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted April 15, 2019 Forget what I said about .308 Zeke. I defer to @Shane45 and @Bully If they say there is no value in learning in .308, then follow their advice. They are the SME on this stuff. I guess that’s like me telling people to not worry about mastering Iron Sights before going to a RDS.... it may slay a sacred cow, but the BBQ is going to be amazing! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites