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Short and sweet.  I did it.  Got them for my shoulders.  Regenerative medicine.  Within two hours.  I can finally sleep more than two hours at a time without waking up    Any questions please ask.   Im looking into if the va covers the cost.  It was out of pocket cost.  Incredibly highly recommend it. 

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They better make a 55 gallon drum of the stuff doe me. What it run ya...? I need my whole skeletal system injected from all the injuries.

Platelet rich plasma and stem cell therapy are continuously studied for their regenerative benefit in sports medicine and chronic pain treatment. Insurance companies do not currently reimburse these non-surgical treatments because the long-term effects of them need to be studied longer. However, many physicians offer these life-changing treatments to patients in need of restored function, pain relief, and care for knee, ankle, foot, and shoulder injuries for example.

Southwest Spine and Pain Center is proud to announce that we now offer platelet rich plasma (PRP) injection therapy. Patients are encouraged to talk to their Southwest Spine and Pain physician about this treatment option and how it could benefit their chronic condition. With four locations across Utah, Southwest Spine and Pain Center is better able to provide the best pain treatment to suffering patients.

We often hear PRP injections and stem cell treatment grouped together. For PRP injections, a physician uses the patient’s own blood to separate platelets in a centrifuge. The platelets are then re-injected into the injured area, releasing growth factors that promote natural tissue healing.

Stem cell therapy is a completely different process of extracting rejuvenating cells. For the procedure, stem cells from either bone marrow or fat tissue used in conjunction with platelets. Stem cells from bone marrow, called autologous mesenchymal, produce cartilage and typically used in treating arthritic conditions and sports injuries. Stem cells from fat tissue are utilized with platelets to heal an osteoarthritic joint, for example, to regrow cartilage.

Remarkable results have come from PRP injections as well as stem cell therapy. Common injuries or conditions that are often improved with these treatments include:

  • Tendonitis
  • Rotator cuff tears
  • Osteoarthritis
  • Spine conditions
  • Arthritic joints
  • Overuse injuries
  • Inflammation from herniated disc

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18 hours ago, Golf battery said:

Short and sweet.  I did it.  Got them for my shoulders.  Regenerative medicine.  Within two hours.  I can finally sleep more than two hours at a time without waking up    Any questions please ask.   Im looking into if the va covers the cost.  It was out of pocket cost.  Incredibly highly recommend it. 

Stop shooting cannons and you'll be healed!  Lol. ;)

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I know a foot surgeon who was recommending stem cells for torn Achilles. In a lot of instances it was cheaper paying out of pocket than surgery was under insurance. Although the doc said outcomes were generally the same, the heal time was significantly faster with stem cells since there wasn't invasive cutting. I know there is a lot more positive data for torn Achilles in particular, but definitely worth a try for comparable connective tissue type injuries if you have the cash. Outcomes have largely been positive, the data just doesn't have a large enough sample size as of now.

19 hours ago, Golf battery said:

Short and sweet.  I did it.  Got them for my shoulders.  Regenerative medicine.  Within two hours.  I can finally sleep more than two hours at a time without waking up    Any questions please ask.   Im looking into if the va covers the cost.  It was out of pocket cost.  Incredibly highly recommend it. 

Can I ask where you got it done and with which doc?

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3 hours ago, SJG said:

Unfortunately, the relief only lasts from this procedure for a few months. But it may be worth it to the patient.

Obviously, no procedures is 100% effective. Just understanding the mechanism, If someone only gets a few months of relief then the treatment has likely failed in that patient.

Last I checked, the (limited data since this is all still new) showed that specifically knee replacements can be put off by at least 4 years in successful treatments. This is likely a low estimate since we don't have decades worth of data and because the majority of the subjects have yet to do a total knee; it's hard to say how long stem cell treatments for these specific patients last until thousands of stem cell injected knee patients actually need to get their knee replaced. Also, the methods or application may have improved so that data from even 5 years ago means nothing today.

and the data will be different depending on what is being treated too. Total knee and total hip don't have the same incidence of bleed events or length of hospital stays, for example, even though the procedure might seem similar.

anyway, thanks for sharing the experience and the info via pm. Keep us updated with any info you are comfortable sharing over the next several months.

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I go into OR's with doctors training the use and applications of Amniox regenerative tissues and joint injections.

Fact:

prp is only 25% effective.

costly

Lyophilized umbilical cord is 80% effective.

costly

There are only 2 doctors I would recommend. Period. Dot Period! 

Brian Sokalsky Somers Pt , nj

Scott Greenberg Cherry Hil, nj

 

They do both and would need to evaluate you for what may work best fo you!

 

4 years????  Who's giving you this bullshit?

 

BTW Amniox  Medical was the pioneer in research (30 Years of NIH grants) if you want to consider that relatively new...

Insurance companies don't want to spend the money so they list it as "Experimental"

All these full page ads you see in the newspapers are 90% bullsh!t, misleading and run by people with little experience in Regenerative tissue.

you want more info contact me

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Having PRP and Stem cell performed on my right hip starting next week.  Supposed to get a hip replacement, after consulting with a hip preservation specialist at H.S.S and a sports med dr at Penn, decided this makes more sense at my age.  They are confident that I'll have vast improvement in cartilage repair and pain management.  PRP first then stem cell from cord/placenta stem cells we banked with both kids.  Sounds a hell of a lot better than hip replacement and limited activity protocol.  If anyone wants a recommendation in NYC or Philly area, let me know.  

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3 hours ago, Downtownv said:

Insurance companies don't want to spend the money so they list it as "Experimental"

Insurance companies don't want to spend the money, and somehow they ended up in the driver's seat for how medicine is performed in this country...

...but the procedure is 'Experimental' because the FDA hasn't approved it.  Approved/not approved isn't a decision the insurance companies can make.

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2 hours ago, Heronimo42 said:

Having PRP and Stem cell performed on my right hip starting next week.  Supposed to get a hip replacement, after consulting with a hip preservation specialist at H.S.S and a sports med dr at Penn, decided this makes more sense at my age.  They are confident that I'll have vast improvement in cartilage repair and pain management.  PRP first then stem cell from cord/placenta stem cells we banked with both kids.  Sounds a hell of a lot better than hip replacement and limited activity protocol.  If anyone wants a recommendation in NYC or Philly area, let me know.  

Let us know how it goes.  Hopefully as well as mine.   Within hours of just the prp injection there was a great difference.   

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16 minutes ago, 10X said:

Insurance companies don't want to spend the money, and somehow they ended up in the driver's seat for how medicine is performed in this country...

...but the procedure is 'Experimental' because the FDA hasn't approved it.  Approved/not approved isn't a decision the insurance companies can make.

Please let me clarify this does not fall under the jurisdiction of the FDA, it is under separate category of human tissue like kidneys lungs and other transplant materials. These are HCT/P section 361 items NOT requiring an FDA Approval but is regulated under the Human Tissue Bank.

 

Now the word "STEM CELLS" is another great misnomer

Your Stem cells are only good for you and another person's would be attacked by microfages (Your body's defense mechanism) what PRP is, is taking your blood ,spinning it down to gave the serum of your own blood and injecting this concentration into a problem area.

The problem is as we get older we have less and less of these stem cells,

 

This can get VERY deep and there's no sense in going there on this board.

My wife did both knees with the Amniox injections and for 1 year was amazing, the next year when doing round 2, she didn't get the same benefit.

Arthititis is like rust you can slow it down but you will not eliminate it with some Rustoleum.

 

My STRONG Advise see one of the 2 doctors I mention and fully Trust.

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Hey guys,

I'm a younger (mid-20's) guy with tons of chronic joint issues.

After a streak of "little tweaks" from strength training over the years, my body is pretty banged up.

I've had prolotherapy done on my wrists when I was younger due to laxity in the joints, and it actually helped and my wrists have been pain free for the past 8 years.

I'm currently going to see a geneticist to ensure I don't have any genetic issues (i.e., Ehlers-Danlos). Barring I don't have any genetic issues ... from there, I'll be seeing Dr. Marc Silberman in Stirling, NJ. He does prolotherapy, PRP, and stem cell.

Currently, I'm dealing with:

  • Right shoulder laxity + torn labrum
  • Possible torn lateral meniscus in the left knee
  • Possible labrum tear in the right hip
  • Lower back and upper back pain
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I do not know Dr Silberman, but This is the practice name for docs that are solely in this field- prolotherapy,

Dr Sokalsy is "alternative to surgery" practice (former Rothman Doc) his accent is on Sports medicine but he is a prolotherapy doctor as well.

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6 hours ago, Downtownv said:

I go into OR's with doctors training the use and applications of Amniox regenerative tissues and joint injections.

Fact:

prp is only 25% effective.

costly

Lyophilized umbilical cord is 80% effective.

costly

There are only 2 doctors I would recommend. Period. Dot Period! 

Brian Sokalsky Somers Pt , nj

Scott Greenberg Cherry Hil, nj

 

They do both and would need to evaluate you for what may work best fo you!

 

4 years????  Who's giving you this bullshit?

 

BTW Amniox  Medical was the pioneer in research (30 Years of NIH grants) if you want to consider that relatively new...

Insurance companies don't want to spend the money so they list it as "Experimental"

All these full page ads you see in the newspapers are 90% bullsh!t, misleading and run by people with little experience in Regenerative tissue.

you want more info contact me

4 year was specific for prolonging TKA. It doesn't surprise me that it could be only 2 years for arthritis in the body part your wife needed it in. Different procedures will have different success rates and different outcomes.

Who told me? I wrote the faux Cochrane resulting in major hospital networks changing their protocol to reduce bleed events and hospital stays in TKA and THA. That's done with access to thousands of patient data, not just anecdotal evidence. So I know because ive seen the data, though keep in mind nothing is ever 100%. in every strong dataset, there are always people on the short side. Think those that survive an accident because they DID NOT wear their seatbelt and would've died if they wore one. That doesn't mean we start recommending no seat belts.

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Dr. Silberman's practice seems to be similar to Dr. Sokalsky's. Silberman is a sports medicine doc who treats a lot of people looking for options outside of surgery. I've never seen him before so I can't report anything.

Anywho, I had a plicating capsulorrhaphy procedure last year to stabilize my left shoulder, and my ortho recommended me to get the same thing plus a labral repair on my right shoulder.

Given the number of other issues I have, plus the cost of surgery + PT + time away from work, prolo/PRP/stem cell might make sense, especially since everything can be treated simultaneously.

Anyway, I'll gladly update y'all on my situation too, if that is the route I go.

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7 minutes ago, anactivegrenade said:

Dr. Silberman's practice seems to be similar to Dr. Sokalsky's. Silberman is a sports medicine doc who treats a lot of people looking for options outside of surgery. I've never seen him before so I can't report anything.

Anywho, I had a plicating capsulorrhaphy procedure last year to stabilize my left shoulder, and my ortho recommended me to get the same thing plus a labral repair on my right shoulder.

Given the number of other issues I have, plus the cost of surgery + PT + time away from work, prolo/PRP/stem cell might make sense, especially since everything can be treated simultaneously.

Anyway, I'll gladly update y'all on my situation too, if that is the route I go.

I wish you the best outcome!

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49 minutes ago, anactivegrenade said:

After a streak of "little tweaks" from strength training over the years, my body is pretty banged up.

...

Currently, I'm dealing with:

  • Right shoulder laxity + torn labrum
  • Possible torn lateral meniscus in the left knee
  • Possible labrum tear in the right hip
  • Lower back and upper back pain

In addition to looking for treatment, you may want to consider making some lifestyle changes.  That's a lot of damage for someone so young.    Maybe dial back the strength training.

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56 minutes ago, 10X said:

In addition to looking for treatment, you may want to consider making some lifestyle changes.  That's a lot of damage for someone so young.    Maybe dial back the strength training.

The thing is, I work in the field of strength & conditioning, and I've only done what I perceive to be essentially what everyone else does.

That's why I'm seeing the geneticist to see if I have an underlying issue.

Barring that I don't, then that means:

1. I really have been doing too much in the first place.

2. Or, I've had poor luck.

Either way ... I know I need to change something if I ever get back into strength training.

Thank you for the concern.

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1 hour ago, anactivegrenade said:

The thing is, I work in the field of strength & conditioning, and I've only done what I perceive to be essentially what everyone else does.

That's why I'm seeing the geneticist to see if I have an underlying issue.

Barring that I don't, then that means:

1. I really have been doing too much in the first place.

2. Or, I've had poor luck.

Either way ... I know I need to change something if I ever get back into strength training.

Thank you for the concern.

You can do everything right and still get messed up. I weight trained for years. Did everything by the book. Still, got Bursitis, Torn Rotator (still not fixed), etc. The lower portion even worse. I was known as Mr Legs because I leg pressed 3/4 ton. Nobody could top me. I wrapped properly, unwrapped after every set, had spotters, etc... Knees went. Micro surgery on one already. It's eh, after all these years. Need a new knee on the other side. When you screw up one leg, you tend to favor it and it ends up screwing up the good side. Hips included. 

I would say half of my problems were from hitting concrete from 20ft and weight lifting. Between the 2, I have permanent nerve damage, screws holding my foot on and the rest are all compounded by everything that I mentioned and then some I probably forgot. Guess we are not meant to abuse our bodies after all. Even the beasts of the gym will suffer later because roids do not help long term. You will deflate and you will be still stuck with an over sized heart among other things. Not good.

That's what interested me in this thread. If I can get just some of these fixed without replacement knee surgery, hip, shoulder, etc. I'd be happy. But if it's not long term and not covered by insurance, it may dissuade me. I want  permanent or near, not a temp fix for that kind of money. Enough time just to keep me together till I croak.

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24 minutes ago, bhunted said:

But if it's not long term and not covered by insurance, it may dissuade me. I want  permanent or near, not a temp fix for that kind of money.

Fergedabowdit!

It's NOT Covered. What's the level of pain? When it's high enough you'll pay anything.

Perhaps we should be talking about CBD, no?

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2 hours ago, Downtownv said:

Fergedabowdit!

It's NOT Covered. What's the level of pain? When it's high enough you'll pay anything.

Perhaps we should be talking about CBD, no?

Ya misunderstood me I think. He said insurance is ng right now. But my concern is it perm? What's CBD?

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41 minutes ago, bhunted said:

Ya misunderstood me I think. He said insurance is ng right now. But my concern is it perm? What's CBD?

In theory it is permanent. The idea is that PRP and stem cell treatments allow the tissue to heal & rebuild. So it doesn't make sense as to how it would be temporary. But there aren't really any studies looking at patients over 20/30/40 years and their outcomes, so these are assumptions.

I had the most primitive form of these treatments, called prolotherapy, where they inject a solution that causes significant but acute inflammation a number of times every 2-4 weeks for 6+ sessions. The idea is that it kickstarts the healing process, because inflammation is always the first step of healing.

I got it done at Dr. Edward Magaziner in North Brunswick for my wrists for a laxity issue (think: picking up a gallon of milk and having the joints in your wrist crunch and move out of place) back in 2011, in conjuction with rest/bracing, and my wrists have been quite normal ever since. They never hurt, and they only experience weird things like clunking when I move them around at their end-range of flexibility. My wrists aren't 100% normal, but they're fine with both everyday life and strength training.

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7 hours ago, bhunted said:

You can do everything right and still get messed up. I weight trained for years. Did everything by the book. Still, got Bursitis, Torn Rotator (still not fixed), etc. The lower portion even worse. I was known as Mr Legs because I leg pressed 3/4 ton. Nobody could top me. I wrapped properly, unwrapped after every set, had spotters, etc... Knees went. Micro surgery on one already. It's eh, after all these years. Need a new knee on the other side. When you screw up one leg, you tend to favor it and it ends up screwing up the good side. Hips included. 

I would say half of my problems were from hitting concrete from 20ft and weight lifting. Between the 2, I have permanent nerve damage, screws holding my foot on and the rest are all compounded by everything that I mentioned and then some I probably forgot. Guess we are not meant to abuse our bodies after all. Even the beasts of the gym will suffer later because roids do not help long term. You will deflate and you will be still stuck with an over sized heart among other things. Not good.

That's what interested me in this thread. If I can get just some of these fixed without replacement knee surgery, hip, shoulder, etc. I'd be happy. But if it's not long term and not covered by insurance, it may dissuade me. I want  permanent or near, not a temp fix for that kind of money. Enough time just to keep me together till I croak.

Technically nothing you do is permanent. Knee replacement for example tends to last about ten years. Best way to think about it is that stem cells will make that part younger than it was, but it'll then still age from there.

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2 minutes ago, Sevenshot said:

Technically nothing you do is permanent. Knee replacement for example tends to last about ten years. Best way to think about it is that stem cells will make that part younger than it was, but it'll then still age from there.

Correct. Replacementa wear out, and there are only so many times you can get a new replacement, because of how much the “pocket” in the bone (where the replacement is inserted) increases in size and depth each time new hardware is put in.

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