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Didn't see anyone else bring these up, anyone concerned yet?

Two of the House bills seem to deal with criminal activity (which none of the members here are involved with), but here are two of concern for us:

There’s also a bill (A5452) that would require people to renew their firearm identification card every four years and show that they have completed a gun safety training course each time they renew the license. Active or retired police officers and former members of the military, however, would be exempt from the rule.

Finally, the last measure (A5454) would require places that sell handgun ammunition to track their ammunition sales and report them to the State Police. They would also be required to make sure people purchasing handgun ammunition are 21 years old, which is the legal age for buying a handgun.

Then, in the Senate, they have their own versions of what they want to see:

  • S3706 - 10% tax on Ammo & 2.5% tax on Firearms (in addition to all existing taxes)

    • Fortunately accessories are not affected so smart retailers can have a 'special offer' where if you buy an AR upper (for the normal cost of the complete rifle - $10) they will sell you a lower for $10.

  • S3707 - Increase FPID + Pistol Permit Fees.

    • FPID will increase from $62.66 to $157.66 (from $5 to $100 base fee plus the $57.66 fingerprinting fee)

    • Pistol Permits will increase from $2 to $50 (plus the $23.40 for a background check when you apply + ~$15 NICS for each pistol)

 

https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/05/tracking-ammunition-sales-and-requiring-more-safety-training-here-are-4-new-ways-njs-tough-gun-laws-could-get-more-strict.html?utm_campaign=njcom_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=nj_facebook_njcom

So, anyone concerned, or will these just be added on to all the other unconstitutional gun laws in the state?

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1 hour ago, CageFighter said:

what prevents out of state buying?   

NJ has, in the past, deployed police to PA fireworks stores near the border, lest anyone with NJ plates attempt to smuggle sparklers across the state line.

If there is a chance that a NJ sportsman might try to bring in a brick of .22, I'm sure Murphy would happily deploy SWAT teams in full body armor, accompanied by film crews, to hang out in the parking lots of PA gun shops.

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In addition to the four bills mentioned above, there are also these bills in the Assembly:  A5453 - which makes a straw purchase illegal, A5454 which will add carjacking or making terroristic threats to the list of crimes that ban people from buying firearms in the state. If you click the second link for A5454, it actually gives you the bill A5455 which will track ammunition sales, among other things. 

I thought straw purchases were illegal under federal law and I thought all handgun ammunition sales were already reported to the State Police.  

Read the article below.  Its a mess.  Not written coherently and several mistakes that could have been caught had they done their research.

 

https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/05/tracking-ammunition-sales-and-requiring-more-safety-training-here-are-4-new-ways-njs-tough-gun-laws-could-get-more-strict.html

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There’s also a bill (A5452) that would require people to renew their firearm identification card every four years and show that they have completed a gun safety training course each time they renew the license. Active or retired police officers and former members of the military, however, would be exempt from the rule.

 

 

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Good reason to re-load and worth the trip to the Oaks Gun show!

Where I attend as a vendor every show, business is good and will only get better with these morons in Trenton.

There are a LOT of NJ attendees from all parts of the state.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Greenday said:

So four laws that don't target crime and two laws that are money grabs that don't target crime.

Yippee...

That's your Blue Team's Liberal Logic at work. ... and you still vote Democrat, so sad...

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1 hour ago, DirtyDigz said:

Do any of the new ammo-related bills have any effect on online/mail order sales?

I'm sure they'll figure a way out to do it.

29 minutes ago, Sniper said:

That's your Blue Team's Liberal Logic at work. ... and you still vote Democrat, so sad...

You don't know who I vote for. Should I say your team is pedophiles like Roy Moore and you still vote for guys like him every time you mention something conservative? No, that'd be ridiculous.

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2 hours ago, Greenday said:

So four laws that don't target crime and two laws that are money grabs that don't target crime.

Yippee...

Well, hater's believe that if gun culture is taxed and fee'd into oblivion, less people while buy, then gunshops will close.  Gun ranges will close.  Manufacturers will go out of business.  Thus no more guns for gun violence.

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58 minutes ago, Cemeterys Gun Blob said:

Well, hater's believe that if gun culture is taxed and fee'd into oblivion, less people while buy, then gunshops will close.  Gun ranges will close.  Manufacturers will go out of business.  Thus no more guns for gun violence.

Hm, tax it more to stop people. I guess that's why no one smokes anymore, right?

Reading the one senate bill on taxing ammo, that include primer, cases, bullets, powder...

Speaking with the wife, she brought up the point, "Where does that tax money go to?" And reading the bills, it's not stated. What if we got it to be used to hire more personnel for the state to do background checks, speeding up FID checks, handgun permit processing, NICS checks? Would people here be okay with that swap paying a little bit extra for ammo for all that to be sped up? Because let's face it, letting people get guns is super low on the list of priorities for the state so it's not like they will take funding from elsewhere to speed up gun purchasing processes.

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16 minutes ago, Greenday said:

letting people get guns is super low on the list of priorities for the state 

You have to realize that gun control is what you do instead of something.

When politicians are polling poorly, or getting hammered on whatever in the news, that's when they go for gun control.  Nobody is too happy with Murphy, so that's why he goes gun control.  Positive press.

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A5455 is dead on arrival.

While it will pass, and get signed.  Nothing will happen cause the Superintendent isn't a software programmer.

The  superintendent would be required to develop a program for retail dealers to electronically report this information.

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3 hours ago, DirtyDigz said:

Do any of the new ammo-related bills have any effect on online/mail order sales?

Not explicitly. But which online retailers will decline to ship to NJ if that law goes into effect?

Some currently require FID for shipment now, some don't. Who can say what the effect of the new law might be?

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This thread is the reason I don't post too much in this section.  At the end of the day, it's all supposition & what-if BS.

Murphy has his stooges that will bring these bills into committee, where they will most likely die.  Sweeney is the key.  If it never makes it to the Senate floor for a vote, it DIES.  Sweeney was already interviewed & said "we've done enough to gun owners already".

Staying alert is great.  Pontificating on a forum about what might happen and then not showing up for a real protest means you're just a SMP (Social Media Patriot).

We now return to everyone pondering their pending persuasive posturing while presuming to prepare for the positively worse scenario.

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17 hours ago, Greenday said:

Hm, tax it more to stop people. I guess that's why no one smokes anymore, right?

Reading the one senate bill on taxing ammo, that include primer, cases, bullets, powder...

Speaking with the wife, she brought up the point, "Where does that tax money go to?" And reading the bills, it's not stated. What if we got it to be used to hire more personnel for the state to do background checks, speeding up FID checks, handgun permit processing, NICS checks? Would people here be okay with that swap paying a little bit extra for ammo for all that to be sped up? Because let's face it, letting people get guns is super low on the list of priorities for the state so it's not like they will take funding from elsewhere to speed up gun purchasing processes.

Sadly, I personally know more people that are lighting up cigarettes than ever before. 

Keeping in mind that the whole state process towards firearms paperwork is unconstitutional anyway,  if the money were used to speed up the process for ID cards and P2P,  that would be logical.  But we are talking about New Jersey.  I am about 30 days into the permit process (for three permits).  I should have them a few weeks before Halloween.

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This is what happens when the morons in this state vote for Socialist and Statists who just won't leave decent, law-abiding Americans alone.  

And it just shows the disdain and contempt that they have for the poor slobs that they want to force us all to become.   Take away the natural right that is reinforced against tyranny by the Constitution and leave the most poor among us unable to defend themselves from the very animals that the elite continue to allow to wander among us as their lawyer friends get rich.  And lets continue the zero tolerance conditioning as we make good, subservient, wussified tax-slaves.  

Thank you all you shitheads in NJ.  I guess you know us useful idiots will try to comply.

Maybe the State should come up with a shithead surcharge, instead, to help pay down its interest on the interest of the interest of the money that it hasn't stolen or pissed away and still owes for the collectivist paradise it dangers over the mAsses as soft and fluffy toilet paper.    

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On 5/30/2019 at 9:09 PM, Greenday said:

Hm, tax it more to stop people. I guess that's why no one smokes anymore, right?

Reading the one senate bill on taxing ammo, that include primer, cases, bullets, powder...

Speaking with the wife, she brought up the point, "Where does that tax money go to?" And reading the bills, it's not stated. What if we got it to be used to hire more personnel for the state to do background checks, speeding up FID checks, handgun permit processing, NICS checks? Would people here be okay with that swap paying a little bit extra for ammo for all that to be sped up? Because let's face it, letting people get guns is super low on the list of priorities for the state so it's not like they will take funding from elsewhere to speed up gun purchasing processes.

:rofl: so what exactly is it that you get high on to come up with this idea?

1.  The state does not have enough money to pay the pensions of those who have already retired.  The state government does not need to continue to increase its manpower, especially in the 2A rights infringement department. 

2.  They won't collect enough in taxes from this to cover the salaries of additional employees, health insurance coverage for those workers and their families and the training and equipment for those new positions.

3. Even if they did collect enough in taxes to add new state employees, the democrats would NEVER add them with the sole purpose of employment to be to speed up FID and NICS checks.  You really propose that this state, which perpetually attempts to punish those who seek to exercise their 2A rights, would actually hire more people with the specific purpose of helping the 2A community?  It's a miracle they just started using an electronic process to get a pistol purchase permit.  If they were able to collect enough taxes off of this to justify new employees, I bet my left leg they would be allocated to some other department or some other purpose long before they use them toward anything remotely associated with improving the conditions of the 2A community.  This state would take that money and give it to illegal immigrants as an incentive for moving here long before they decide to do something that would intentionally allow us to benefit from it. 

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On 5/30/2019 at 9:09 PM, Greenday said:

" And reading the bills, it's not stated. What if we got it to be used to hire more personnel for the state to do background checks, speeding up FID checks, handgun permit processing, NICS checks? Would people here be okay with that swap paying a little bit extra for ammo for all that to be sped up? Because let's face it, letting people get guns is super low on the list of priorities for the state so it's not like they will take funding from elsewhere to speed up gun purchasing processes.

See this is how I know you are a plant, willing or not. Has ANY surtax on ANYTHING actually gone to fix the thing it was supposed to fix? NJ Lottery? Casino gambling? NJ Income tax? Tolls for the roads? Ciggy taxes? 

Not in NJ! what may actually come of it, will be put into the 'general fund' and used for bringing in more illegal aliens, giveaways to connected people, etc.  You are plainly trying to shill up this idea to make the tax look not so bad. Go back to your Soros-masters and report their tricks don't work anymore on people that can think without the brainwashing of the media

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On 6/1/2019 at 4:44 PM, Regular Guy said:

You really propose that this state, which perpetually attempts to punish those who seek to exercise their 2A rights, would actually hire more people with the specific purpose of helping the 2A community?

I'm not saying NJ would. I'm just wondering how people would feel if that was the use of the money.

On 6/1/2019 at 8:28 PM, matty said:

See this is how I know you are a plant, willing or not. Has ANY surtax on ANYTHING actually gone to fix the thing it was supposed to fix? NJ Lottery? Casino gambling? NJ Income tax? Tolls for the roads? Ciggy taxes? 

Not in NJ! what may actually come of it, will be put into the 'general fund' and used for bringing in more illegal aliens, giveaways to connected people, etc.  You are plainly trying to shill up this idea to make the tax look not so bad. Go back to your Soros-masters and report their tricks don't work anymore on people that can think without the brainwashing of the media

Jesus you're angry. Roids? Not loved enough as a child?

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