10X 3,296 Posted June 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, JackDaWack said: The money bought him the party nomination....that pretty much stopped there. His ridiculous progressive ideas got him elected. Yes to the first point, maybe to the second. I think the 'D' next to his name on the ballot was sufficient to get him elected. Considering the politics of NJ, if Murphy got the D nomination, and then never left his villa in Italy, never made a campaign appearance, never gave an interview, never appeared in a TV spot, would he have still won? I think he would have. I think NJ has enough voters who can't see past the D on the ballot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted June 21, 2019 There are nearly a million more Dems than Republicans in NJ. I can't see a Republican winning a state-wide election ever again. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted June 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Old Glock guy said: There are nearly a million more Dems than Republicans in NJ. I can't see a Republican winning a state-wide election ever again. Almost 3 million undeclared Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted June 21, 2019 4 hours ago, JackDaWack said: His ridiculous progressive ideas got him elected. 1. Reaction to Orange Man Bad. 2. Republicans in the state are their own worst enemy. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regular Guy 264 Posted June 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Bob2222 said: Isn't A3696 in conflict with District of Columbia v. Heller? If a firearm is locked up, it's not accessible, is it? (Requiring a trigger lock on a a firearm without specifying that it must be unloaded first is probably one of the dumbest and most dangerous laws that the NJ Assembly has ever passed.) https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html What I think they were going for with this bill is that they want to be able to charge the owner of a firearm in cases where the firearm is taken by another member of the household like in cases where they are taken to schools by kids or otherwise used in crimes. But then the penalty is a disorderly persons offense. It does not seem to be enforceable outside of the instances when the gun is discovered (after the fact) to have been left unsecured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted June 21, 2019 6 hours ago, JackDaWack said: His ridiculous progressive ideas got him elected. Once he passed the Primary, hatred for Christie gifted him the election. No way Kim was going to get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted June 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, Regular Guy said: What I think they were going for with this bill is that they want to be able to charge the owner of a firearm in cases where the firearm is taken by another member of the household like in cases where they are taken to schools by kids or otherwise used in crimes. But then the penalty is a disorderly persons offense. It does not seem to be enforceable outside of the instances when the gun is discovered (after the fact) to have been left unsecured. But that is already a crime. Quote Section 2C:58-15 - Minor's access to a loaded firearm; penalty, conditions Universal Citation: NJ Rev Stat § 2C:58-15 (2015) 2C:58-15. Minor's access to a loaded firearm; penalty, conditions 1. a. A person who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to a loaded firearm at a premises under the person's control commits a disorderly persons offense if a minor gains access to the firearm, unless the person: (1) Stores the firearm in a securely locked box or container; (2) Stores the firearm in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or (3) Secures the firearm with a trigger lock. b. This section shall not apply: (1) To activities authorized by section 14 of P.L.1979, c.179, (C.2C:58-6.1), concerning the lawful use of a firearm by a minor; or (2) Under circumstances where a minor obtained a firearm as a result of an unlawful entry by any person. c. As used in this act, "minor" means a person under the age of 16. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted June 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bob2222 said: But that is already a crime. You know that and I know that but his mass of morons don’t. He gets to look like he’s doing something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, voyager9 said: Once he passed the Primary, hatred for Christie gifted him the election. No way Kim was going to get it. only 38 percent of those registered to vote even showed up to the polls And people hated christie because he wasn't progressive enough for NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regular Guy 264 Posted June 22, 2019 @Bob2222 I know it's already a crime, but look at how many gun laws they pass where it's already a crime at both the State and Federal level. The politicians don't know most of the current laws related to firearms and neither does the general public. So when they pass a law, they look like they are doing something. This makes the sheep feel safe and the sheep keep voting for them. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted June 22, 2019 Looking at the vote totals, it would seem they could bring up a bill saying possession of a firearm of any kind brings the death penalty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted June 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Bob2222 said: 1. Reaction to Orange Man Bad. 2. Republicans in the state are their own worst enemy. Someone roll that whale back into the ocean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted June 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kevin125 said: Looking at the vote totals, it would seem they could bring up a bill saying possession of a firearm of any kind brings the death penalty. That IS their ultimate goal, don'tcha know? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted June 22, 2019 No doubt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted June 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Regular Guy said: @Bob2222 I know it's already a crime, but look at how many gun laws they pass where it's already a crime at both the State and Federal level. The politicians don't know most of the current laws related to firearms and neither does the general public. So when they pass a law, they look like they are doing something. This makes the sheep feel safe and the sheep keep voting for them. If its already a crime why get tweaked when a law is written like another law that's there? They r idiots Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, USRifle30Cal said: If its already a crime why get tweaked when a law is written like another law that's there? They r idiots The Assembly members who passed the most recent law (and the older law) didn't write either law -- or probably even read either law. Whatever anti-gun group wrote the law told them, "If you want our support and money, pass this law". The group didn't search the NJ code to find that a law was already on the books. The anti-gun laws in all the blue states are pretty much cut and paste versions of each other. Requiring trigger locks on a firearm without specifying that it must be unloaded first is dangerous and both the new and old laws do that. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted June 22, 2019 Just shows all these bills were written before the first round was passed. They have all these ghost written and just waiting. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,811 Posted July 1, 2019 FYI, Murphy signed the latest NJ budget yesterday; the new budget does *not* increase any firearm-related feees. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted July 5, 2019 https://www.nj.com/news/2019/07/he-bought-10-guns-in-the-easton-area-because-it-was-easier-than-buying-them-legally-in-new-jersey.html So which laws have the Dems already passed or suggested that would have stopped this guy from just going to PA and buying guns for criminals who can't buy in NJ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted July 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, Greenday said: https://www.nj.com/news/2019/07/he-bought-10-guns-in-the-easton-area-because-it-was-easier-than-buying-them-legally-in-new-jersey.html So which laws have the Dems already passed or suggested that would have stopped this guy from just going to PA and buying guns for criminals who can't buy in NJ? Obviously NJ laws work since he had to go to PA. /s Dont you have to show ID to the FFL outside NJ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Obviously NJ laws work since he had to go to PA. /s Dont you have to show ID to the FFL outside NJ? And pass pics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,773 Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeke said: And pass pics. NICS This whole story sounds like anti-gun crowd bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Downtownv said: NICS This whole story sounds like anti-gun crowd bullshit. Pics! It’s Pa point of contact Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted July 5, 2019 49 minutes ago, Zeke said: And pass pics. 46 minutes ago, Downtownv said: This whole story sounds like anti-gun crowd bullshit. Yeah, I’m confused. Homie walks into PA gun store and gives a fake PA address and nobody checks ID to verify? Even after multiple visits to the store? if the guy presented a fake ID I can see the transfer at least getting to PICS since the FFL can’t be expected to tell if the ID is fake or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,773 Posted July 5, 2019 PICS are what some people put in their hair back in the 60's 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Yeah, I’m confused. Homie walks into PA gun store and gives a fake PA address and nobody checks ID to verify? Even after multiple visits to the store? if the guy presented a fake ID I can see the transfer at least getting to PICS since the FFL can’t be expected to tell if the ID is fake or not. Unless I’d theft. Most likely individual used a friend addy to establish residency Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zeke said: Unless I’d theft. Most likely individual used a friend addy to establish residency Perhaps. I still struggle what the point was.it doesn’t appear he was prohibited since he passed PICS/NICS numerous times. Did he just not want to bother with P2P’s? So it was the administrative PITA and not that and actual NJ law was going to stop him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted July 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Perhaps. I still struggle what the point was.it doesn’t appear he was prohibited since he passed PICS/NICS numerous times. Did he just not want to bother with P2P’s? So it was the administrative PITA and not that and actual NJ law was going to stop him. P2p is also registry to issuing authority as well as NJSP. Pa does not have this schema to the best of my knowledge. So if the intent was to straw, he tried to cover his tracks. But the manufacturer knows what distributor were sent what and the paper trail starts there. They say the smart ones don’t get caught. Why the 80% scare the crap out them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Downtownv said: NICS This whole story sounds like anti-gun crowd bullshit. There is DEFINITELY more to this story. I’ve purchased in both of these places and you don’t just walk in buy and walk out. Could you imagine? The line would be around the corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted July 5, 2019 It's almost like gun laws are basically just hampering law abiding citizens. I mean, they FINALLY got the exact kind of criminal they want to stop...and he gets a whopping 2.5 years for illegally purchasing guns and illegally selling them to criminals? I know he helped get some of them back from the people he sold to, but still. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites