Criminals WIN Again, and Get to Control the Laws, NYPD fires Officer Daniel Pantaleo

[Sniper 6,372]

Just like in Philadelphia, the criminals are winning and LEOs and law abiding citizens lose...  AGAIN...

BREAKING: NYPD fires officer accused of fatally choking Eric Garner

NYPD chief James O'Neill just announced that officer Daniel Pantaleo has been fired.

"Trials Commissioner Maldonado ruled that officer Pantaleo’s use of a prohibited chokehold was reckless and constituted a gross deviation from the standard of conduct established for a New York City police officer," O'Neill said.

Before announcing Daniel Pantaleo's firing, NYPD police commissioner James O'Neill had a lengthy introduction describing the tough decisions police must often make.

"Every day in New York, people receive summons or arrested by officers without any physical force being used. But some people choose to verbally and/or physically resist the enforcement action lawfully being taken against them," he said

"Those situations are unpredictable and dangerous to everyone involved. The street is never the right place to argue the appropriateness of an arrest. That is what our courts are for. Being a police officer is one of the hardest jobs in the world."

But O'Neill fired him anyway....

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/daniel-pantaleo-eric-garner-nypd/index.html

 

[BobA 1,235]

15 minutes ago, Sniper said:

Just like in Philadelphia, the criminals are winning and LEOs and law abiding citizens lose...  AGAIN...

BREAKING: NYPD fires officer accused of fatally choking Eric Garner

NYPD chief James O'Neill just announced that officer Daniel Pantaleo has been fired.

"Trials Commissioner Maldonado ruled that officer Pantaleo’s use of a prohibited chokehold was reckless and constituted a gross deviation from the standard of conduct established for a New York City police officer," O'Neill said.

Before announcing Daniel Pantaleo's firing, NYPD police commissioner James O'Neill had a lengthy introduction describing the tough decisions police must often make.

"Every day in New York, people receive summons or arrested by officers without any physical force being used. But some people choose to verbally and/or physically resist the enforcement action lawfully being taken against them," he said

"Those situations are unpredictable and dangerous to everyone involved. The street is never the right place to argue the appropriateness of an arrest. That is what our courts are for. Being a police officer is one of the hardest jobs in the world."

But O'Neill fired him anyway....

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/daniel-pantaleo-eric-garner-nypd/index.html

 

Only this wasn't done by a street criminal.  This was done because Harris called out de Blasio on it and the domino of chickens started to cave.  It was a win for those kind of criminals.  Maldonado is a POS too.  

[JackDaWack 2,895]

"Trials Commissioner Maldonado ruled that officer Pantaleo’s use of a prohibited chokehold was reckless and constituted a gross deviation from the standard of conduct established for a New York City police officer," 

 

Just because the guy deserved to be arrested doesn't make the above statement irrelevant.

[Sniper 6,372]

4 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

Just because the guy deserved to be arrested doesn't make the above statement irrelevant.

But this does:

Last month the Justice Department ruled against the Civil Rights Division’s recommendation that charges be brought against Pantaleo, siding with officials with the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of New York, and arguing the government's burden of proof could not be met.

A grand jury also declined to indict Pantaleo on criminal charges in 2014.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-officer-accused-in-eric-garners-death-has-been-fired-commissioner-says

[JackDaWack 2,895]

59 minutes ago, Sniper said:

But this does:

Last month the Justice Department ruled against the Civil Rights Division’s recommendation that charges be brought against Pantaleo, siding with officials with the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of New York, and arguing the government's burden of proof could not be met.

A grand jury also declined to indict Pantaleo on criminal charges in 2014.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-officer-accused-in-eric-garners-death-has-been-fired-commissioner-says

Having the cop officially charged with a crime is FAR different then finding him to be in violation of the PD's use of force guidelines, restrain training etc...

I don't think his "choke hold" was the reason he died, it would have been hard to prove that too. I believe it looked like the officer was also trying to avoid putting pressure on his neck.. Unfortunately, that has zero to do with the fact he was on camera performing what is considered to be something they are explicitly told not to do. 

[Sniper 6,372]

3 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

Having the cop officially charged with a crime is FAR different then finding him to be in violation of the PD's use of force guidelines, restrain training etc...

I don't think his "choke hold" was the reason he died, it would have been hard to prove that too. I believe it looked like the officer was also trying to avoid putting pressure on his neck.. Unfortunately, that has zero to do with the fact he was on camera performing what is considered to be something they are explicitly told not to do. 

It's so nice to be a Monday morning quarterback, and not have to deal with the incident as it happened...

Garner was a repeat offender, resisting arrest and refused to follow the directions of the LEO's. He was like 350 lbs. and there were a few LEO's trying to get him to follow directions so they could bring him into custody.

I doubt, in all that activity, Pataleo could take the time to break out his handbook to see which exact grasp he could use. In a fluid situation, where the suspect is fighting back, you do what you need to do to subdue him. Garner is responsible for his own death, not the officers...

But, based on the Commissioners decision today, here is how the police force views him:

NYPD Commissioner James O'Neill's decision to fire the officer who placed Eric Garner in a chokehold moments before his death on a New York City street drew outrage Monday from the police union and a guarded "thank you" from one of Garner's children.

Police union President Patrick Lynch expressed outrage at O'Neill's decision, describing Pantaleo an “exemplary” officer. Lynch accused the commissioner of "cringing in fear" of anti-police activists and leaving the department "rudderless and frozen" by a lack of leadership.

"He has chosen politics and his own self-interest over the police officers he claims to lead," Lynch said.

An autopsy found Garner's death was caused in part by the chokehold and the case was ruled a homicide. O'Neill said Pantaleo was correct when he initially used the chokehold, but that when Garner was under control he should have switched to a "less lethal" alternative.

https://www.app.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/19/eric-garners-death-officer-daniel-pantaleo-fired/2051861001/

So the commissioner decided to support the criminals, instead of his officers, all over politics. Really sad!

 

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Just now, Sniper said:

It's so nice to be a Monday morning quarterback, and not have to deal with the incident as it happened...

Garner was a repeat offender, resisting arrest and refused to follow the directions of the LEO's. He was like 350 lbs. and there were a few LEO's trying to get him to follow directions so they could bring him into custody.

I doubt, in all that activity, Pataleo could take the time to break out his handbook to see which exact grasp he could use. In a fluid situation, where the suspect is fighting back, you do what you need to do to subdue him. Garner is responsible for his own death, not the officers...

But, based on the Commissioners decision today, here is how the police force views him:

NYPD Commissioner James O'Neill's decision to fire the officer who placed Eric Garner in a chokehold moments before his death on a New York City street drew outrage Monday from the police union and a guarded "thank you" from one of Garner's children.

Police union President Patrick Lynch expressed outrage at O'Neill's decision, describing Pantaleo an “exemplary” officer. Lynch accused the commissioner of "cringing in fear" of anti-police activists and leaving the department "rudderless and frozen" by a lack of leadership.

"He has chosen politics and his own self-interest over the police officers he claims to lead," Lynch said.

An autopsy found Garner's death was caused in part by the chokehold and the case was ruled a homicide. O'Neill said Pantaleo was correct when he initially used the chokehold, but that when Garner was under control he should have switched to a "less lethal" alternative.

https://www.app.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/19/eric-garners-death-officer-daniel-pantaleo-fired/2051861001/

So the commissioner decided to support the criminals, instead of his officers, all over politics. Really sad!

 

Im not Monday morning quarterbacking anything...

The ends do not justify the means....  

He did something he wasn't supposed to do and there's not a whole lot more to it.

I know plenty of people who have restraint training... they don't seem to have issues remember what they can and cant do. They certainly know they are NOT allowed to use choke holds. 

If you cant follow procedure in the moment and remember your training... you shouldn't be a cop.

 

If Gardner is responsible for his own death, then the LEO is responsible for his actions as well.... You don't get to have it both ways.

 

Your acting like this was a life or death situation for the officer... this it was definitely not. 

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

I won't speak to whether the officer was right or wrong... but I do think it's pretty clear that DiBlasio really disdains the NYPD & this is likely just another example. I haven't seen any recent crime stats from NYC, but I can't help but think that they'll be ratcheting up on his watch. That's perhaps the saddest thing... how many more crimes will happen because of an emboldened criminal element? I'd be really shocked if the stats aren't trending upward already. Leadership (or lack thereof) makes all the difference when it comes to crime.

[Sniper 6,372]

2 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

Im not Monday morning quarterbacking anything...

Did you watch the actual video?

[JackDaWack 2,895]

13 hours ago, Sniper said:

Did you watch the actual video?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/dec/04/i-cant-breathe-eric-garner-chokehold-death-video

 

Yeah whats your point?