M1152 713 Posted September 9, 2019 Thinking about selling a long gun so can someone provide a quick overview of impact of new law? I assume the buyer is treated like buying new at retail store but I don’t know how it plays out for the seller? if I want to sell a long gun would it be two transfer fees (one in and one out) to an FFL or just one fee? In other words would both seller & buyer pay transfer fees or is it just the buyer only that gets dinged for the fee? Thanks in advance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted September 9, 2019 Should be one fee to whoever agrees to pay. As a seller, I'd request full payment for item up front and they pay the fee. As a buyer, I'd request to do the background check prior to paying and ask that the seller pay the fee. As a dealer, I don't care who pays as long as it is up front. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0Jeep4 87 Posted September 9, 2019 Who pays depends on the terms between buyer and seller. (One transfer fee) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted September 9, 2019 What's the consensus? From here it seems to be that the transfer fee is on the buyer and generally their choice of their to transfer. There are a few posts I saw here where the seller offered to include transfer in their price but at their choice of FFL OR contribute a portion towards transfer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0Jeep4 87 Posted September 9, 2019 Personally, I have paid anytime being the buyer, but how much the transfer cost does effect my offer on firearm. Transfer cost are anywhere from $40-$80. That price for me, gets calculated into what I’m willing to spend on the item. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted September 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Maksim said: What's the consensus? From here it seems to be that the transfer fee is on the buyer and generally their choice of their to transfer. There are a few posts I saw here where the seller offered to include transfer in their price but at their choice of FFL OR contribute a portion towards transfer. I’ve seen similar post as well but this being NJ and my past transactions were are "inbound" only that's why I'd asked for the clarification which PK90 answered. To your point if a seller is offering to pay the transfer fee then obviously they already have the fee baked into the final price. I have a Saiga S223 NIB that I’m on the fence about off-loading so I could purchase a 1911. Considering what used & new sagias are going for on GunBroker $50 either way isn’t going to make anyone blink if/when I decide to sell it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed471 1 Posted October 29, 2019 Sorry but I haven’t bought a gun privately in any years, how does one go about it now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Ed471 said: Sorry but I haven’t bought a gun privately in any years, how does one go about it now? see post #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted October 29, 2019 On 9/9/2019 at 6:36 AM, 0Jeep4 said: Personally, I have paid anytime being the buyer, but how much the transfer cost does effect my offer on firearm. Transfer cost are anywhere from $40-$80. That price for me, gets calculated into what I’m willing to spend on the item. Same 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted October 30, 2019 As I buyer I expect to pay the transfer fee. Same as when I order a gun online and have it shipped to a FFL. If the seller insists on using an FFL with a ridiculous transfer fee I'd pass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted October 30, 2019 As a buyer, I have always paid the transfer fee. It is frustrating that the transfer fee can be as high as $80 in New Jersey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, father-of-three said: As a buyer, I have always paid the transfer fee. It is frustrating that the transfer fee can be as high as $80 in New Jersey. Yes, you definitely need to shop around. I just did a transfer at Ramsey outdoor and it was $35. Not horrible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,147 Posted October 30, 2019 NICS is always on the buyer. Transfer fee, well, it's the seller transferring and the buyer receiving. The buyer can go to a gun shop and buy any new or used rifle without paying a transfer fee. I think the transfer fee should be split, up to $25/ea. Basically, the max FFL fee that can be split is $50. The FFL fee discourages buyers, it's an added cost over the value of the item. Murphy has engineered the private seller market so that both the buyer and seller will loose money in one way or another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted October 31, 2019 15 hours ago, Scorpio64 said: The FFL fee discourages buyers, it's an added cost over the value of the item. Murphy has engineered the private seller market so that both the buyer and seller will loose money in one way or another. Nah. I suspect long term it just means more guns in NJ. Because now rather than buy your used gun, it will more often make sense for me to just buy new. You have trouble selling your gun or have to take too big a hit, you will just keep it instead. The net result should be more guns unless it discourages new purchases altogether, which I don't really see being the case. New owners were never the prime demographic of face to face sales from what I can tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:24 PM, 124gr9mm said: Yes, you definitely need to shop around. I just did a transfer at Ramsey outdoor and it was $35. Not horrible. That's good to hear. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted November 11, 2019 Can sales between family members still utilize a C.O.E.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted November 12, 2019 As long as the family members meet the exemption requirements listed on SP-634 https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/PL18/36_.HTM "n. For the purposes of this section, “immediate family” means a spouse, domestic partner as defined in section 3 of P.L.2003, c.246 (C.26:8A-3), partner in a civil union couple as defined in section 2 of P.L.2006, c.103 (C.37:1-29), parent, stepparent, grandparent, sibling, stepsibling, child, stepchild, and grandchild, as related by blood or by law." sp-634_20180914.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dajonga 396 Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, ChrisJM981 said: Can sales between family members still utilize a C.O.E.? Yes. Immediate family members (not second cousins) can still transfer face to face without a NICS like in the good ole days. Long guns need COE with matching DL and FPID. Handguns need P2P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eyeinstine 241 Posted November 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, dajonga said: Yes. Immediate family members (not second cousins) can still transfer face to face without a NICS like in the good ole days. Long guns need COE with matching DL and FPID. Handguns need P2P. do handguns need a nics or ffl transfer amoungst immediate family members? Specifically, i know someone who's mother inherited a pistol through the death of her husband. The son would be the logical one to inherit the pistol, but with no will specifiying that, the mother became the legal owner. Can the mother (with no FID or paperwork) gift the pistol to a son who has a valid P2P? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted November 12, 2019 Immediate family members do not need a NICS. There is no way for a non-FFL to run a NICS. Immediate family does need FID and COE for long guns and P2P for handguns as was said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dajonga 396 Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, eyeinstine said: do handguns need a nics or ffl transfer amoungst immediate family members? Specifically, i know someone who's mother inherited a pistol through the death of her husband. The son would be the logical one to inherit the pistol, but with no will specifiying that, the mother became the legal owner. Can the mother (with no FID or paperwork) gift the pistol to a son who has a valid P2P? Yes she can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites