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2 hours ago, JohnnyB said:

Approximately 3,053 State Troopers in NJ. They use the Sig P229 Enhanced Elite. At a retail price of $1, 079 per pistol, that would be a cost of 3.3 Million dollars.  Each trooper could get a new one every single month and still have 30 some million left for ammo!

I think it's supposed to be 7 million and someone screwed up the story and said 70 million.

I may be wrong, but I thought NJSP dumped the SIG 229 .40 and went to Glock G19 around 2016 or '17.

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19 hours ago, BobA said:

I wonder, @Smokin .50, if open letters from CNJFO and ANJRPC to the manufacturers pointing out how he’s targeting our FFLs, their life blood to their patrons, and reminding them of S&W some years ago if they could be convinced to call his bluff. 

It's an interesting thought @BobA.  Ronnie Barrett won't sell his Barrett rifles to Kali or any dept. in Kali.  I met Ronnie Barrett last Sept. at the NRA Board of Directors meeting in Arlington, VA.  I'll bring it up the flag pole & see who is fired-up enough to give it a good shot :) 

~R

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2 hours ago, Smokin .50 said:

It's an interesting thought @BobA.  Ronnie Barrett won't sell his Barrett rifles to Kali or any dept. in Kali.  I met Ronnie Barrett last Sept. at the NRA Board of Directors meeting in Arlington, VA.  I'll bring it up the flag pole & see who is fired-up enough to give it a good shot :) 

~R

That’s all we can ask. Thanks!

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On 9/10/2019 at 3:18 PM, this_is_nascar said:

What I want to know is why the hell is NJ spending $70m annually on firearms?

 

Maybe they have a New Jersey version of Holder's "Operation Fast and Furious" and they are supplying firearms to drug gangs in Trenton, Newark and Camden?

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5 minutes ago, silverado427 said:

I'd like to see the gun manufacturers unite to call his bluff and tell NJ to get bent.  Let Murphy get his guns for his cops in PA like he thinks everyone else does.  But unfortunately I think we'll see here that money talks and bulls**t walks. 

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NSSF Responded:

NEWTOWN, Conn. — The National Shooting Sports Foundation® (NSSF®), the trade association for the firearms industry, released the following statement on New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy’s executive order that threatens to end business relationships with firearms manufacturers and retailers if they don’t adopt vaguely defined business practices.

“Governor Murphy’s executive order is a broad and open invitation to discriminate against firearms manufacturers and retailers. It will do nothing to curb illegal gun sales and will only serve to punish licensed and law-abiding small businesses engaged in the lawful commerce of constitutionally protected products. Furthermore, trying to regulate by coercion interstate commerce outside of New Jersey is clearly an overreach of the governor’s power and authority.

If Governor Murphy wants to work on real solutions to make our communities safer, he needs to work with the firearms industry. We conceived the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) and our industry conducts an average of 38,000 new NICS checks daily. We know what works and what doesn’t, and we are continually working to improve and strengthen background checks.

The firearms industry also works with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to prevent straw purchases of firearms through our Don’t Lie for the Other GuyTM campaign. No one wants to stop the criminal misuse of firearms and ensure they stay out of the hands of criminals more than our industry.  We also partner with ATF in Operation Secure Store to provide retailers with education and resources to secure their inventory from theft.

Governor Murphy wrongly sees member of the firearms retailers as contributing to the criminal misuse of firearms when in reality they are on the front lines of helping to prevent firearms from rolling into the wrong hands. They are part of the solution. Our industry stands ready and willing to work with Governor Murphy on real solutions, but our industry does not deserve to be vilified, threatened and discriminated against through meaningless regulations being proposed strictly for political motivations.”

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It is frustrating that Murphy does not appear to know how existing laws work, but acts like he does, and is believed as though he does.  This is also another example of where "mental illness" goes undefined, likely to the detriment of those who may not be prohibited persons, even by New Jersey's stricter standards.

It is my hope that all the gun manufacturers boycott and nullify the State of New Jersey's accounts.

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On 9/10/2019 at 5:42 PM, SJG said:

As we all know, the State must have some contracts where older firearms are traded in and replaced with newer ones/models. The traded in  firearms are sold in the secondary market and one way or another the State benefits from this arrangement. Not sure if these traded in firearms and sold exclusively in NJ or in other States as well, some of which probably have the loose gun laws that Murphy complains about but I suspect many are sold out of State. So the State of N.J. is really in the gun business, the very business Murphy complains about. Also in the HI-Cap mag business because these used law enforcement pistols are 15 rounders and those guns are probably turned in with those Hi-Caps and make there way to States he complains about that permit Hi-Cap mags

I have a friend who is a State Trooper and he told me  a few years ago when the NJSP got new handguns that the state paid to have the old Sig 229's cut in half down the middle and then offered to sell the one half back to the Troopers who carried them. Apparently no one took the state up on the offer so they paid to have the remains of these pistols destroyed. When it comes to their antigun ideology, no amount of your tax dollars is too much to spend.

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Earlier today on 1210-WPHT, Dom's producer got info back from the OPRA request he submitted, questioning that $70m number.

It turns out, that number was extremely overinflated with other expenditures, not even relating to firearms and/or ammo.

 

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21 minutes ago, this_is_nascar said:

Earlier today on 1210-WPHT, Dom's producer got info back from the OPRA request he submitted, questioning that $70m number.

It turns out, that number was extremely overinflated with other expenditures, not even relating to firearms and/or ammo.

 

True enough.  Here it is right off their site https://1210wpht.radio.com/articles/news/obtained-documents-dispute-new-york-times-nj-gun-report :

OPRA1.png?Gum7HvvR3gaaE0motZgXz_wF9imswW 1210WPHT via NJ OPRA Request
 

 

The remainder of the $70 million includes spending on Chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear detection and search and rescue equipment, explosive device mitigation, police protection equipment such as body armor, radar instruments for traffic enforcement, tear gas guns, and perimeter warning systems.

 

OPRA2.png?SMWaBxJ7WHjGH6LUbT8ehKfK_BzVlP 1210WPHT via NJ OPRA Request

 

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On ‎9‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 9:57 PM, Oakridgefirearms said:

I have a friend who is a State Trooper and he told me  a few years ago when the NJSP got new handguns that the state paid to have the old Sig 229's cut in half down the middle and then offered to sell the one half back to the Troopers who carried them. Apparently no one took the state up on the offer so they paid to have the remains of these pistols destroyed. When it comes to their antigun ideology, no amount of your tax dollars is too much to spend.

I would pay 5 or 10 bucks for a few of those for interesting wall art.

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3 hours ago, BobA said:

True enough.  Here it is right off their site https://1210wpht.radio.com/articles/news/obtained-documents-dispute-new-york-times-nj-gun-report :

OPRA1.png?Gum7HvvR3gaaE0motZgXz_wF9imswW 1210WPHT via NJ OPRA Request
 

 

The remainder of the $70 million includes spending on Chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear detection and search and rescue equipment, explosive device mitigation, police protection equipment such as body armor, radar instruments for traffic enforcement, tear gas guns, and perimeter warning systems.

Why the Hugh increase from 2012 to 2013? That looks like a Very absorbent amount.

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