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15 hours ago, Maksim said:

Does he deserve 28 years in jail?  No.... community service, driver's ed and his loss of gun buying rights will be hard enough punishment for him.

So he should lose his "gun buying rights" according to you?  Loss of "gun buying rights" (whatever that is?) translates to LOSS OF ALL 2A RIGHTS IN ALL 50 STATES, since NJ has HIS gunz and IF he doesn't pay 10's of thousands to fight this to clear himself, THEN GET THEM BACK FROM THE STATE (it's a state LAW btw, used as a weapon in such cases), he'll be a Prohibited person IN ALL 50 STATES for the rest of his life!  For WHAT?  NOBODY GOT A GUN POINTED AT THEM!

Meanwhile, in Newark or Camden or Irvington or Trenton, a young gang-banger Hood Rat gets pinched for an armed robbery at gunpoint, and the Vic gets SHOT but survives.  This Hood Rat didn't pull the trigger, he "just threw a couple punches" (beating the shit outta the poor Vic) and stole the cash drawer outta the register.  He had a throw-away, and got rid of it before the Cops came-a-callin', and the ADA & Prosecutor decided to go for a quick, simple conviction of assault since it was a Hood Rat gang initiation and this "poor" kid at 15 didn't deserve to be a lifetime inmate.  So the gun charge WENT AWAY, and our Hood Rat got a slap on the wrist, grew up, stayed a Hood Rat, and at age 18 offed (KILLED!) another kid that wouldn't join the gang!

All seems legit to me.  Maybe the Hood Rat should have had some Driver's Ed too?

Years ago Nappen told a crowd of assembled gun owners that "you could lay an unloaded scattergun on yer front seat".  He even stated you could wave it around OUTSIDE THE VEHICLE while driving (but suggested THAT's not such a great idea)!  Yes, it's on You Tube (I think?)!  It's so old he was 50 pounds lighter then :) 

@USRifle30Cal Years of INCREMENTALISM and Stockholm Syndrome have taken their toll.  We have NJ gun owners that aren't dry behind the ears yet, so they have NO concept of bringing a scattergun to school to hunt with on the way home, buying a hand gun from a relative immediately AFTER said relative buys it as NEW from a FFL, or sending a kid into a store to buy a brick of ammo.

~R

 

 

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2 hours ago, Greenday said:

Some may be. Just not the ones in this case. Storing guns right next to him, riding around with hollowpoints for no legal purpose, riding around with guns while not going to the range.

Of all the cases of people from out of state getting arrested, THIS is where people want to make their stand?

I tend to put a lot of emphasis on "intent". Remember, this all started with an illegal lane change (something I see at least 20 times on every half-hour trip I take on Routes 78 and 22). Was he speeding? Weaving wildly through lanes? Wantonly disregarding life? Or did he forget to use a signal? We don't know, do we? Also, he was in a pickup truck. Did it have a locked tool case in the back? Or, was the cab the only place for the gun(s)? Again, we don't know. Why did he take the firearms to the workplace? Was he planning to hit a range at lunchtime, but then changed his mind? Did he get flustered when the cop was grilling him - and babbled out the wrong answer? Or, did he just (sloppily and knowingly) forget his guns were even in the truck overnight and then at work all day? Again, we don't know. We only know what we read in the newspaper article. (And we all know how accurate journalism is these days, especially about guns. :facepalm:)

We DO know that the gun that caught the cop's eye was apparently unloaded and in a case. Does that sound like someone ready to rob a bank? I'm not saying this guy didn't make some bonehead mistakes... sound like he probably did. I'm just saying I haven't heard anything yet that says "criminal intent", just as nothing Shaneen Allen did signaled criminal intent either. And, IMO, there's no way in HELL carelessness w/out victims should ever result in a POTENTIAL for 28 years in prison! I'm sorry, but that is just FLIPPIN' RIDICULOUS. We put MURDERERS, RAPISTS and PEDOPHILES in prison for far lighter sentences - and then set them loose after a couple of years of "good behavior".  So, yeah... forgetful, careless, ignorant, misunderstood, unfairly accused - whatever the case turns out to be! - I do feel enormous pity for this guy. His life is freakin' OVER! 

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4 hours ago, Greenday said:

Some may be. Just not the ones in this case. Storing guns right next to him, riding around with hollowpoints for no legal purpose, riding around with guns while not going to the range.

Of all the cases of people from out of state getting arrested, THIS is where people want to make their stand?

You have to learn more about hollow points.

NJ's politicians branded them evil Cop Killer bullets, and that is the reason they are outlawed here.

In the rest of America, they are known as their more common name, bullets.

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On 9/17/2019 at 2:39 PM, Greenday said:

Some may be. Just not the ones in this case. Storing guns right next to him, riding around with hollowpoints for no legal purpose, riding around with guns while not going to the range.

Of all the cases of people from out of state getting arrested, THIS is where people want to make their stand?

^^^PROOF that you've already been brainwashed into a good little, still wet behind-the-ears typical NJ gun owner that wants to always pick up the TURD in the swimming pool by the CLEAN END!

I've been doin' this firearms thang for over 48 YEARS.  In all of that time I've never heard of a "perfectly clean case" of a gun owner getting hung out to dry.  Allen, Aitken, even the 70+ yr old history teacher from So. Jersey with the 300 year old flint-less flintlock hand gun (a piece of metal pipe with wood wrapped around it, since a FLINT in the jaws of the guns' hammer is required to make a spark for ignition!) wrapped in a dinner napkin & stored in a car's glove box.  They all had fingers pointing at them.  They all had been pulled over for a tiny infraction.  Don't hold yer breath waitin' for it (the TURD with the CLEAN end) to happen either!  There's always some piece of minutia that gives guys (it's ALWAYS GUYS---cause women are MUCH smarter when it comes to this shit!) the bravado to point fingers without knowing ALL of the facts, and then try the case in their own tiny minds and then broadcast the results on social media.  As IF we actually CARE what the uninformed think about OUR RIGHTS & how we exercise them, lol.  Then they need a SAFE place when guys like me that have seen it all & done it all call them out. 

I rode around with a scattergun all day today.  Did the same since SUNDAY.  Might do it again tomorrow too.  It's legal, even here in Jersey, so why not?  "riding around with guns while not going to the range".  Really?  You mean forgetting he was driving in the Communist People's Republic of New Jerseystan, right?  WHO was he hurting besides brainwashed NJ gun owners?

As a "2A Leader" I don't get to pick & choose age, race, marital status, education level, hard-headedness, laziness, number of cavities in their mouths, stupidity level, etc., etc., of the VIC of overzealous NJ gun law.  I DEFEND you no matter how many forum members want to throw you under Da-Bus.  WHY?  Because I care MORE about the 2nd Amendment itself, and the ABUSE of 2A than I do about the opinions of a Stockholm Syndrome-affected NJ gun owner that thinks a "firearms inspection" at a range is acceptable.

@Mrs. Peel @Zeke USRifle30Cal I need a drink!

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On 9/17/2019 at 6:59 PM, Fred2 said:

You have to learn more about hollow points.

NJ's politicians branded them evil Cop Killer bullets, and that is the reason they are outlawed here.

In the rest of America, they are known as their more common name, bullets.

I'm fine with my knowledge about hollow points. For instance, you can't just drive around with them in NJ for the lulz. The only technically legal way to handle them are as JohnnyB said. You can own it. You can use it at the range or for hunting. But just like your guns, they aren't allowed to just chill in your car.

On 9/17/2019 at 7:10 PM, JohnnyB said:

Not really outlawed here.  You just have to treat them like a handgun while transporting....To and from range etc. 

 

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On 9/12/2019 at 11:08 AM, Greenday said:

Should a cop pull someone over, find a backseat full of cocaine, and just let them go because they personally think drugs shouldn't be illegal? Wouldn't want to ruin some 70 year old's life over wanting to party?

 

How is that the same to you cocaine which is killing our people and guns allowed to us by the second amendment? Why we are even thinking that guns and ammo could be illegal? Illegal is what this governor is doing to us here in this state constantly violating our constitution. Yes this person is irresponsible to enter with guns to the hestapo-blue state like NJ is, but common 28 years in prison for this? Good cop would escort him out of state border with first time warning. 

Think for whom you vote next time people of NJ!

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17 hours ago, Golf battery said:

Rosie.  You pinned it.   Stockholm syndrome.  Amen bro.  That’s exactly what it is.   Its brainwashing 

ps.  I love wearing my cnjfo tshirt to my committee meetings.  

Let me know if ya need a long sleeve CNJFO sweat shirt or Hoodie cause we got them too Ed!

Give em' hell on that twp. committee!

Rosey

 

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Wait... there is something I don’t understand:

Besides the charges for prohibited items (“assault” rifles, hollow points, hicap mags) he was also charged with “third-degree possession of a rifle without having obtained a firearms purchaser identification card”?

What about law stating:

“In New Jersey, one does not need to obtain a Firearm Purchaser Identification card to own, possess in the home, transport firearms to and from authorized target range, to a gunsmith for purposes of repair, or to the woods or fields of the state for purposes of hunting” (Wikipedia)

If rifles were bought in PA why would he need a FI card??

 

 

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12 minutes ago, BM59 said:

Wait... there is something I don’t understand:

Besides the charges for prohibited items (“assault” rifles, hollow points, hicap mags) he was also charged with “third-degree possession of a rifle without having obtained a firearms purchaser identification card”?

What about law stating:

“In New Jersey, one does not need to obtain a Firearm Purchaser Identification card to own, possess in the home, transport firearms to and from authorized target range, to a gunsmith for purposes of repair, or to the woods or fields of the state for purposes of hunting” (Wikipedia)

If rifles were bought in PA why would he need a FI card??

 

 

The NJ FPID card is also a permit to carry an unloaded long arm at all times.  Without it, you must be on the way to range and back, etc.

That's where that charge is coming from. It has nothing to do with where he bought them....It's all about where he was carrying them!

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Got it thanks...I learned something new, I did not think you could transport a rifle in Nj unless you were to/from range, gunsmith etc. - but I understand now Fid is not just for purchasing.

On the other hand I assume that if he owned a property in NJ , he did not need a FID to transport unloaded firearms to/from his home in PA and such property?

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Just now, BM59 said:

Got it thanks...I learned something new, I did not think you could transport a rifle in Nj unless you were to/from range, gunsmith etc. - but I understand now Fid is not just for purchasing.

On the other hand I assume that if he owned a property in NJ , he did not need a FID to transport unloaded firearms to/from his home in PA and such property?

That assumption is correct!  Providing he was on a direct route  to one property or the other without unnecessary deviations. 

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