DirtyDigz 1,811 Posted September 15, 2019 Saudia Arabia had a drone attack on a major refinery that's estimated to have taken out 2/3rds of their production capacity. Oil and gas prices are likely to shoot up very shortly: https://mobile.reuters.com/video/2019/09/14/saudi-arabia-says-aramco-refinery-fires?videoId=600161768&videoChannel=117760 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted September 15, 2019 Only expected to take off less than 5% off of production. Pkus unlike in the past there is a glut of oil amd other Opec nations can instantly boost production. This is not a refinery issue wbich sent prices up after Sandy and Katrina. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMich3 152 Posted September 15, 2019 What was crazy was they attacked with drones! I had heard the NYPD was worried terrorists would use drones, i guess they were right to worry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 473 Posted September 15, 2019 Drone attacks on US soil by the enemy, We better pass stricter gun control asap. 2 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted September 15, 2019 Haven't the Beltway Statists drafted laws to ban drones, yet? Don't they know that black assault rifles are the best defense against terrorists with drones? At least there should be some drone-free zones. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted September 15, 2019 Keep in mind we are more self sufficient now when it comes to oil. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted September 15, 2019 Doesn't matter how it really affects the oil supply. It's just an excuse to raise rates anyway. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 242 Posted September 15, 2019 1 hour ago, PK90 said: Doesn't matter how it really affects the oil supply. It's just an excuse to raise rates anyway. Sad, but true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, PK90 said: Doesn't matter how it really affects the oil supply. It's just an excuse to raise rates anyway. Plus the stock market usually moves because of emotion and Algos responding to Headlines, instead of Facts and Data... kinda just like the Liberals... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 15, 2019 I wonder if Iran will see a special delivery present, built by Raytheon, in the next few days???? ....."On Saturday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed Iran for the Saudi attacks. However, he also said there was no evidence that the weekend’s drone strike came from Yemen. “We call on all nations to publicly and unequivocally condemn Iran’s attacks. Ten automated, aerial, combat drones launched an attack on Saudi Aramco’s Abqaiq plant in Buqyaq and the Khurais oil field on Saturday at 3:31 a.m. and 3:42 a.m. local time, according to Gulf News." https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-saudi-oil-attack-is-a-big-deal-that-could-be-a-game-changer-in-stock-markets-and-crude-prices-2019-09-15?mod=mw_theo_homepage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,731 Posted September 15, 2019 5% of global supply knocked out. Attack on Saudi oil facility came from direction of Iran, not Yemen -U.S. official by Reuters Sunday, 15 September 2019 20:21 GMT * Attack knocked out 5% of global crude supply * Source says could take weeks to resume full output * Washington blames Iran for attack * Yemen's Houthi movement says it was behind drone attack (Wraps up latest developments, including comment from U.S. official) By Rania El Gamal and Parisa Hafezi DUBAI, Sept 15 (Reuters) - The attack on Saudi Arabia's oil facilities on Saturday that has threatened global oil supplies came from the direction of Iran, and cruise missiles may have been used, according to a senior U.S. official. The comments added heft to Washington's accusation that Iran was behind the attacks that knocked out more than 5% of global oil supply, instead of the Yemeni Houthi group that claimed it. Tehran has rejected the accusation, but said it was ready for war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 16, 2019 Let's just hope this is a short term reaction, and not something more ominous... ......"Crude oil prices surged more than 10% late Sunday and U.S. stock futures retreated following weekend attacks against Saudi Arabian oil facilities. Brent crude prices for November delivery BRNX19, +10.20% , the global benchmark, initially shot up 18% as trading began late Sunday, but quickly settled down to a gain of about $7, or 13%, to $67.86 a barrel. West Texas Intermediate crude for October delivery CLV19, +9.23% jumped 11%, up $6 to $60.85 a barrel. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/crude-prices-soar-us-stock-futures-slip-after-attacks-on-saudi-oil-facilities-2019-09-15?mod=mw_theo_homepage&mod=mw_theo_homepage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted September 17, 2019 Anybody with an agenda can blame the tooth fairy and the media dutifully report it. Here is the minor damage. Note the small holes appearing in the exact same spot on each tank. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMich3 152 Posted September 18, 2019 On the news last night they said cruise missles were used. That’s a big difference than a drone attack. Just wondering if it was just another case of misinformation by the clueless media Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 18, 2019 20 hours ago, AlDente67 said: Here is the minor damage. Note the small holes appearing in the exact same spot on each tank. Notice. they all came from the same direction (Iran). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilbert1967 145 Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 2:13 PM, AlDente67 said: Anybody with an agenda can blame the tooth fairy and the media dutifully report it. Here is the minor damage. Note the small holes appearing in the exact same spot on each tank. The media is saying that cruise missiles were used? If that were the case, this picture would show bent and twisted pipelines and chunks of metal from what was left of the storage tanks. NOT tanks with holes in them. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted September 18, 2019 A cruise missile has about 250 pounds of high explosive, or thereabouts. The tanks would not exist. By the way, in the extreme lower right corner of the picture is a pickup truck, for a sense of scale. The damage to the tanks would be consistent with cruise missiles made of twice-baked potatoes. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted September 18, 2019 Edit: ...and it is pork roll, dammit!! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMich3 152 Posted September 19, 2019 As i figured the cruise missle news story is bullshit. Probably the same guy that reported that an AR 47 has a high capacity clip that fires 30 magazines per second 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,147 Posted September 19, 2019 Each oil tank appears to have several rather large holes, but none big enough to be from a cruise missile. A cruise missile would have annihilated those tanks. I think they sent multiple GPS guided drones (basically, fire-and-forget) at each tank, just to make sure at least one reached it's objective. The drones were probably more airplane like, probably a smaller version of the Reaper. I heard something interesting tonight. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Iran is directly, or indirectly responsible for the bombings. The question is; why would Iran attack the Saudis? Iran loves to be assholes, no doubt, but this was more than just being a-holes. Iran carried out the attack, as part of a broader plan, to drive the US into a recession. Hmmm, who else wants the US to fall into a recession, I believe it's the democrats and late night ass hat hacks who call themselves comedians. Simply put, Iran bombed the tanks in an attempt to foil Trump's aspirations for re-election. While the attack seems impulsive, it was but a part of a larger plan. Stay tuned folks, more to come. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: I think they sent multiple GPS guided drones (basically, fire-and-forget) at each tank, just to make sure at least one reached it's objective. The drones were probably more airplane like, probably a smaller version of the Reaper. Here's some pictures of some of the parts of those drones, missiles or whatever they were... That one looks like a possible cruise missile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Scorpio64 said: Each oil tank appears to have several rather large holes, but none big enough to be from a cruise missile. A cruise missile would have annihilated those tanks. I think they sent multiple GPS guided drones (basically, fire-and-forget) at each tank, just to make sure at least one reached it's objective. The drones were probably more airplane like, probably a smaller version of the Reaper. I heard something interesting tonight. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Iran is directly, or indirectly responsible for the bombings. The question is; why would Iran attack the Saudis? Iran loves to be assholes, no doubt, but this was more than just being a-holes. Iran carried out the attack, as part of a broader plan, to drive the US into a recession. Hmmm, who else wants the US to fall into a recession, I believe it's the democrats and late night ass hat hacks who call themselves comedians. Simply put, Iran bombed the tanks in an attempt to foil Trump's aspirations for re-election. While the attack seems impulsive, it was but a part of a larger plan. Stay tuned folks, more to come. That’s an interesting thought, here’s an idea maybe we should fight fire with fire ......let’s open Democrat/Iran/ collusion ....treason or whatever investigations and tie up all the Democratic candidates and politicians with subpoenas and such like they did and maybe if they’re tied up with that we can get some campaign promises and other things done .....lmao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, pjd832 said: That’s an interesting thought, here’s an idea maybe we should fight fire with fire ......let’s open Democrat/Iran/ collusion ....treason or whatever investigations and tie up all the Democratic candidates and politicians with subpoenas and such like they did and maybe if they’re tied up with that we can get some campaign promises and other things done .....lmao I like it. Set up committees, hearings and headlines. " So Mr/Mrs Democratic Congress Critter, can you conclusively say that no democrat has colluded with Iran to take down the U.S. govt:?" " Of course not, I can't possibly know what every official has been doing!" Next days headlines- Democratic Party can not be exonerated from colluding with Iran to harm the U.S..... 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted September 19, 2019 Buy a DJI, remove the PTZ camera and add a mount that uses those servos to pull the pin on a grenade. Launch the drone and set a waypoint that takes it to the base of the tank. Articulate the servo. Boom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted September 19, 2019 A little more info on what weapons were used: ...." At a press conference Wednesday, the Saudis displayed broken and burned drones and pieces of a cruise missile that military spokesman Col. Turki Al-Malki identified as Iranian weapons collected after the attack. He also played surveillance video that he said showed a drone coming in from the north. Yemen is to the south of Saudi Arabia. Eighteen drones and seven cruise missiles were launched in the assault, Al-Malki said, with three missiles failing to make their targets. He said the cruise missiles had a range of 700 kilometers (435 miles), meaning they could not have been fired from inside Yemen. That opinion was shared by weapons experts who spoke to The Associated Press . "This is the kind of weapon the Iranian regime and the Iranian IRGC are using against the civilian object and facilities infrastructure," Al-Malki said, referring to Iran's Revolutionary Guard. He added: "This attack did not originate from Yemen, despite Iran's best effort to make it appear so." https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uae-joins-us-led-coalition-protect-mideast-waterways-65711294?cid=clicksource_76_null_headlines_hed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted September 19, 2019 @Sniper I read that too. Seems this was from Iranian soil. But we should let the Saudi’s deal with it. Trump has said over and over... other nations need to deal with their own defense. Why should we get directly involved? I don’t want our people put at risk to deal with the Saudi’s shitty oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted September 19, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 2:13 PM, AlDente67 said: Anybody with an agenda can blame the tooth fairy and the media dutifully report it. Here is the minor damage. Note the small holes appearing in the exact same spot on each tank. I would estimate those holes are almost as big as a pickup truck. Definitely more than minor. Granted, the tanks weren’t totally destroy. But they are effed up pretty badly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted September 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kevin125 said: @Sniper I read that too. Seems this was from Iranian soil. But we should let the Saudi’s deal with it. Trump has said over and over... other nations need to deal with their own defense. Why should we get directly involved? I don’t want our people put at risk to deal with the Saudi’s shitty oil. This. What is the benefit for the US to put our blood and treasure ($$) on the front line? Let the Saudi’s drive this. We can help our ally as much as we can without putting our troops in jeopardy. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,731 Posted September 19, 2019 I can’t see the damage being from a cruise missile equipped with high explosives. I’ve seen what a Tomahawk and a Harpoon does to a target, this looks nothing like the damage they do. If it IS a cruise missile, it didn’t detonate, or wasn’t loaded with HE. Those pictures look like something punched a hole in the tank and didn’t explode. Not sure what to think of all this. Maybe a drone, but not a cruise missile fitted with high explosives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted September 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: I can’t see the damage being from a cruise missile equipped with high explosives. I’ve seen what a Tomahawk and a Harpoon does to a target, this looks nothing like the damage they do. If it IS a cruise missile, it didn’t detonate, or wasn’t loaded with HE. Those pictures look like something punched a hole in the tank and didn’t explode. Not sure what to think of all this. Maybe a drone, but not a cruise missile fitted with high explosives. Tomahawk does have non-HE payloads. Specifically there is one composed of cluster “bomblets”. Something similar could have been done with an Iranian missile. Air-burst directional HE packed with shrapnel would produce something like these pictures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites