45Doll 5,873 Posted November 26, 2019 As a previous FM customer I got this email this morning: "After a very long Bankruptcy process, HMT Group (Freedom Munitions, Xtreme Bullets) has been purchased by Kash CA Inc. This purchase will allow Freedom Munitions and Xtreme Bullets the ability to re-invigorate the company with funding and new processes that will allow us to make the same great products while still being competitive in this current market. Please feel free to check out our new lower pricing on ammunition on Freedom Munitions and soon to be lower component pricing on Xtreme Bullets. If you have any questions or want to know more give us a call at 208-746-3668" There was also a video from the new owner. I bought a fair amount from them until the brass return price went down to $1.60/lb and the new retail prices of the major vendors dropped considerably. At that point there was no cost advantage to FM, and their service and shipping time left a lot to be desired. I'll be interested to see what if any adjustments are made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,916 Posted November 26, 2019 Their ammo was way under powered too. I and a bunch of other competitors have been DQ'd for failing Chrono at major matches. For plinking they are maybe worth the savings. When you've paid out for match fees, hotel and gas, not so much. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted November 26, 2019 They still owe me fucking money, thieves. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted November 27, 2019 Given the current pricing on good named brands (Federal, CCI, etc.) I see no need to even visit FM's web site ever again. Like Mr. Stu, I've found their product to be under powered to the extreme, especially in the more recent years. Sadly I still have some of their stuff here I need to shoot through. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted November 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, Sota said: Sadly I still have some of their stuff here I need to shoot through. Sadly, I have some too, from years ago, it makes great paperweights! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted November 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Sota said: Given the current pricing on good named brands (Federal, CCI, etc.) I see no need to even visit FM's web site ever again. Sadly I still have some of their stuff here I need to shoot through. Agreed I used up everything I had after they robbed me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted November 27, 2019 speaking of which, the $100 rebate available on 8 boxes that Federal is offering, makes for some pretty cheap pricing on good plinking ammo. any of you who ever wanted $0.02c/rnd .22lr, now's your chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shocker 150 Posted November 27, 2019 Xtreme was my go-to until they restructured their shipping fees and priced themselves way above their competitors. I'd go back if they're competitive again, if for nothing else than not having to re-develop any load recipes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,873 Posted November 27, 2019 My wife and I shot a lot of FM ammo in the major handgun calibers without issue. I never chronod them, but they functioned very well and were accurate. After the Sandy Hook ammo price balloon collapsed and hoarding calmed down I bought mostly factory ammo simply because of the price points. FM did have shipping issues but that wasn't a problem because I maintain enough stock and was never in that much of a rush. And when brass returns were worth $2.10/lb it covered some shipping costs. I'm will be glad if FM can resurrect itself and become competitive again. I don't trust the large corporate manufacturers to remain free and clear of government influence. Or worse, voluntarily impose restrictions on the excuse of 'social responsibility'. Someday we may have to rely on smaller outfits to regularly supply ammo. (Or of course reload our own.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted November 27, 2019 Kinda forgot about FM. I had a love/ hate with that stuff, had a bad experience with a 100 rd box of 9 with 4,5 squibs. Spent a lot of time shooting thru that box. However no probs with any other but it soured me on the brand and I think I still have a bunch shoved in the back. Did the brass buyback a few times too but didn't make sense after a while. I will check my stock as I may be doing a big ammo dump(sale) here to lighten my load going to FL. I have serious concerns about the weight vs my Taco's payload lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,873 Posted November 27, 2019 One thing about brass returns. I found out my local scrap metal dealer will take brass casings. It's classified as 'dirty brass'. Last time I did a bucket full it was $1.60/lb, the same as FM's program. But of course with no shipping costs to return it I got the full value. Not a windfall amount, but it bought another five boxes or so of something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted November 27, 2019 16 hours ago, Ray Ray said: They still owe me fucking money, thieves. The bankruptcy is done and they never got to your spot in line, so I guess they don't. Either that or they have some obligation from their restructuring. If it is a significant sum, it might be worth seeing if you can get the court documents and figure out if they are supposed to be making good on existing debts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Sota said: speaking of which, the $100 rebate available on 8 boxes that Federal is offering, makes for some pretty cheap pricing on good plinking ammo. any of you who ever wanted $0.02c/rnd .22lr, now's your chance. They have a deal on 9mm too, at $0.12 a round, or $6 a box: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, raz-0 said: The bankruptcy is done and they never got to your spot in line, so I guess they don't. Either that or they have some obligation from their restructuring. If it is a significant sum, it might be worth seeing if you can get the court documents and figure out if they are supposed to be making good on existing debts. It's like 40 bucks. In the long run, it's going to hurt them since they will never see me ordering anything from them again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted November 27, 2019 FM223F55R 470 FM223F55R 440 FM223F55R 500 FM223F55R 500 FM223F62R 1000 FM357X125R 50 FM357J158N 45 FM38F125R 800 FM38X125R 50 FM38F158R 124 FM38X158R 40 FM45R200R 60 FM45R200R 250 FM45R200R 500 FM45R200R 1000 FM556MT60N 200 FM556MT60N 150 Need to get out to a rifle range and start blasting through their stuff; give me an excuse to buy some of the Federal black box stuff as replacement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted December 15, 2019 I had no idea they were part of xtreme bullets.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites