Greenday 323 Posted January 7, 2020 https://www.nj.com/news/2020/01/former-us-navy-servicewoman-headed-to-prison-for-illegally-buying-handguns-for-nj-couple.html Short version: Woman given money by cousin, goes to VA, purchased 5 handguns and ammo, goes back to NJ, completes strawpurchase. Hours after delivering the guns, cops get a phone call about shots fired, find the cousin. Seller and cousin both get 18 months. Other illegal buyer got 3 years (Was also caught trying to scratch out the serial number on a gun). Why do we even bother with these laws if it's just a slap on the wrist? Strawpurchasing is one of THE biggest issues with misuse of guns (surprise, they were misused). Now who knows where the three missing handguns are or which felon probably has them. Meanwhile we ban stuff for shits and giggles. Large capacity magazine can net you 18 months. So the federal punishment for a strawpurchase is the same as have a 15 round magazine in NJ? Bump stock in NJ is 3-5 years. Maybe if we just REALLY punished the dangerous felons, we wouldn't have to worry about banning accessories for the lulz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted January 7, 2020 From 2017. Now, with NJs catch and release !aws, they'd be back out on the streets before the arresting officers are done with the paperwork... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Greenday said: Large capacity magazine can net you 18 months. that depends, take a look here Cops arrest Trenton man carrying a gun for second time in 6 months Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted January 7, 2020 The comments in the article (hot linked in the Jan story) about the Aug arrest of this then-20yo are very prophetic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted January 7, 2020 39 minutes ago, FXDX said: that depends, take a look here Cops arrest Trenton man carrying a gun for second time in 6 months What do you mean by that depends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted January 7, 2020 Simple solution eliminate unconstitutional background checks. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Greenday said: What do you mean by that depends. Gang bangers seem to get a pass or reduced sentences. I'm convinced it's to allow attorneys to make more money. The likelyhood of a repeat offense is high. Gangbanger calls same attorney and get another deal. Rinse and repeat. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ChrisJM981 said: Gang bangers seem to get a pass or reduced sentences. I'm convinced it's to allow attorneys to make more money. The likelyhood of a repeat offense is high. Gangbanger calls same attorney and get another deal. Rinse and repeat. Exactly, another way to view it is they (the gangbanders) will dime out their colleagues in a plea deal and get a reduced charge and something like a mag limit charge the DEMS prided themselves on while get tossed out in the plea deal. Compare that to a normal law abiding citizen that doesn’t know about the mag limit ban and he or she will be charged with the max charge as if state is actually accomplishing something. All done by design thanks to the state of NJ lawmakers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, FXDX said: Exactly, another way to view it is they (the gangbanders) will dime out their colleagues in a plea deal and get a reduced charge and something like a mag limit charge the DEMS prided themselves on while get tossed out in the plea deal. Compare that to a normal law abiding citizen that doesn’t know about the mag limit ban and he or she will be charged with the max charge as if state is actually accomplishing something. All done by design thanks to the state of NJ lawmakers And there we have it, in a nutshell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted January 7, 2020 6 hours ago, ChrisJM981 said: Gang bangers seem to get a pass or reduced sentences. I'm convinced it's to allow attorneys to make more money. The likelyhood of a repeat offense is high. Gangbanger calls same attorney and get another deal. Rinse and repeat. He'd been charged but hasn't even been to trial yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted January 7, 2020 Then there is this guy https://nj1015.com/nj-gave-texas-church-gunman-plea-deal-that-wiped-out-gun-felony/ Quote The gunman who killed two congregants at a Texas church last month had been charged years earlier with a felony gun offense in New Jersey, where prosecutors later downgraded the crime to a low-level misdemeanor that had nothing to do with firearms Though if you read the article, this guy was walking around with a non-operational shotgun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 7, 2020 I wonder if this would have happened if it was easier for inner city residents to purchase firearms to defend themselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted January 8, 2020 17 hours ago, voyager9 said: Then there is this guy https://nj1015.com/nj-gave-texas-church-gunman-plea-deal-that-wiped-out-gun-felony/ Though if you read the article, this guy was walking around with a non-operational shotgun. Quote A spokesman for the Union County Prosecutor's Office last week defended the deal as "fully reasonable and legally appropriate." "The assistant prosecutor assigned to this case consulted with a member of the Union County Police Department Ballistics Unit, who determined that because the recovered weapon was missing a fundamental component, it was inoperable under the definition outlined in the applicable statute," the spokesman for the office said in a written statement. So if he had committed a robbery or other crime with said inoperable shotgun, he wouldn't have been charged with "armed" robbery because "well hey, the firearm used to commit the crime doesn't actually work". Would the same argument apply (it wasn't a legally defined as a firearm per statute) if the PD shot him because he was pointing what appeared to be a shotgun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickySantoro 211 Posted January 8, 2020 Common Sense Legislation is just another term for Obstructionist Tactics. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, tomk62 said: So if he had committed a robbery or other crime with said inoperable shotgun, he wouldn't have been charged with "armed" robbery because "well hey, the firearm used to commit the crime doesn't actually work". Would the same argument apply (it wasn't a legally defined as a firearm per statute) if the PD shot him because he was pointing what appeared to be a shotgun? Of course not! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted January 8, 2020 5 hours ago, tomk62 said: So if he had committed a robbery or other crime with said inoperable shotgun, he wouldn't have been charged with "armed" robbery because "well hey, the firearm used to commit the crime doesn't actually work". Would the same argument apply (it wasn't a legally defined as a firearm per statute) if the PD shot him because he was pointing what appeared to be a shotgun? Devils advocate: If you had been pulled over for speeding would you be ok with being charged with felony firearm possession for an inoperable shotgun? It is easy to criticize this deal because what this guy would go on to do. Hindsight is 2020. At the time I can see the logic even if I’m not sure I agree with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, voyager9 said: Devils advocate: If you had been pulled over for speeding would you be ok with being charged with felony firearm possession for an inoperable shotgun? It is easy to criticize this deal because what this guy would go on to do. Hindsight is 2020. At the time I can see the logic even if I’m not sure I agree with it. Hell, when I head to the range, that's why my guns are either locked if they are semi-auto or I take the bolt out if it's a bolt action. One tiny extra shred of proof if the NJ gestapo feel like going after a law-abiding citizen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted January 9, 2020 41 minutes ago, Greenday said: Hell, when I head to the range, that's why my guns are either locked if they are semi-auto or I take the bolt out if it's a bolt action. One tiny extra shred of proof if the NJ gestapo feel like going after a law-abiding citizen. Keep in mind the frame or receiver, the serialized part, is the firearm. If you have your guns completely disassembled it makes no difference if they aren't being properly transported. NJ gestapo? Have the police hurt your feelings in the past? Try dealing with police in your favorite socialist country. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites