Lateapex 3 Posted January 30, 2020 I'm looking to purchase a CZ Shadow 2 or Beretta 92 Elite LTT. I only have experience using friends CZ SP-01 with the CGW performance kit installed. I can't find any place that rents them, so I am looking for advice from anyone that may own or have shot both? This will be mainly a range gun. I have held both and like the feel of them somewhat equally. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 31, 2020 Range gun? Shadow 2. If it goes into any defensive role? Beretta 92 LTT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lateapex 3 Posted January 31, 2020 More range gun, thought it would be good if it could cover dual purpose. I hear nothing but great things about both with everyone praising the CZ for low recoil and precision, but for some reason, I am drawn to the looks of the Beretta. I just don't know how far off the recoil and precision are with the Beretta. Also, while I don't currently compete, I may consider IDPA and I don't think you can use the Shadow. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted January 31, 2020 If the Shadow 2 is good to go in USPSA I don't know why it would be 'illegal' in IDPA. As long as it's in the right classification. The pistol is very accurate, good trigger, and very heavy. All metal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lateapex 3 Posted January 31, 2020 I believe it's a weight issue. I think IDPA allows up to 43oz with the Shadow 2 coming in at 46.5oz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted January 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, Lateapex said: I believe it's a weight issue. I think IDPA allows up to 43oz with the Shadow 2 coming in at 46.5oz. OK, you're right. Just looked it up. Been a long time since I perused the rules. Oh well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted January 31, 2020 Spoke to Ernest Langdon himself at SHOT Show in the Beretta booth. He explained why he designed the 92 LTT the way he did. He used the M9A3/Vertec slide, with the M9A1 Frame. Trigger job is nice and crisp - and he prefers the full grip style, vs the Vertec grip, as there's more surface area for gripping the gun, compared to the M9A3/Vertec style. My only wish is that he included the M9A3 style decocker - it's angled slightly upwards so it will not accidentally get pushed down and decock while racking. If I were to get another Beretta, I'd go for the 92 Elite LTT, as I already have a M9A3. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted January 31, 2020 I got to shoot 3 of Ernest’s personal guns (a 92, a PX4 compact, and a PX4 full-size) at a “Friends of Pat Rogers” event. They are absolutely amazing guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lateapex 3 Posted January 31, 2020 Krdshrk or High Exposure, Have you been able to compare a CZ to the Beretta? I know the CZ is a tack driver but how close is the LTT by comparison? High Exposure, How did you like the PX4 compact?. That is another one this is on my short list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted January 31, 2020 I have no time on any CZ for comparison. Sorry. His PX4 compact (it was his carry gun) was my favorite of the three. So smooth. It was a joy to shoot. I shot it with a standard PX4 compact for comparison. The difference was stunning. I hated the standard model. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Lateapex said: Krdshrk or High Exposure, Have you been able to compare a CZ to the Beretta? I know the CZ is a tack driver but how close is the LTT by comparison? High Exposure, How did you like the PX4 compact?. That is another one this is on my short list. I have stock m9a1 m9a3 and px4c for comparison. The px4c is right next to them in performance. It's a comfortable and accurate 9MM. They all have room to grow. My next will be an 92x.. just waiting to see how well reliable they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 12:16 PM, Krdshrk said: Spoke to Ernest Langdon himself at SHOT Show in the Beretta booth. On 1/31/2020 at 12:40 PM, High Exposure said: I got to shoot 3 of Ernest’s personal guns (a 92, a PX4 compact, and a PX4 full-size) at a “Friends of Pat Rogers” event. Fancy people on this forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 3:45 PM, Lateapex said: Krdshrk or High Exposure, Have you been able to compare a CZ to the Beretta? I know the CZ is a tack driver but how close is the LTT by comparison? High Exposure, How did you like the PX4 compact?. That is another one this is on my short list. Shot stock CZ's - they're good. Shot stock Beretta's - they're good too. Comes down to personal preference. A friend of mine has a very custom CZ .40 - it's like butter.... shoots amazing... but it's like a $3k custom gun. That being said - he was very impressed with my M9A3 out of the box - shoots it extremely well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lateapex 3 Posted February 4, 2020 Had a chance to shoot the Px4 over the weekend and was relly impressed. However, I held a CZ Rami and now I want one!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronhonda 86 Posted February 7, 2020 CZ Shadow all day long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 7, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 1:28 PM, Lateapex said: Had a chance to shoot the Px4 over the weekend and was relly impressed. However, I held a CZ Rami and now I want one!!! This isn’t like highlander.... there will always be more than one. Make sure you get a big safe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted February 8, 2020 Elite 92G LTT - $699.99 in cart https://lockedloaded.com/product/beretta-usa-j92g9lttm-92g-elite-ltt-9mm-luger-singledouble-4.7-151-black-polymer-grip-black-steel-frame-black-slide Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted February 8, 2020 Wow! If it had the short trigger I’d buy one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted February 9, 2020 It’s showing a price of $846 and it won’t ship to NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronhonda 86 Posted February 9, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 2:02 PM, Lateapex said: I'm looking to purchase a CZ Shadow 2 or Beretta 92 Elite LTT. I only have experience using friends CZ SP-01 with the CGW performance kit installed. I can't find any place that rents them, so I am looking for advice from anyone that may own or have shot both? This will be mainly a range gun. I have held both and like the feel of them somewhat equally. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Go to Bullseye Tactical and maybe even SC arms. I'm pretty sure Chris at Bullsye will have a Shadow 2 there for you to finger ****. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronhonda 86 Posted February 9, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 2:02 PM, Lateapex said: I'm looking to purchase a CZ Shadow 2 or Beretta 92 Elite LTT. I only have experience using friends CZ SP-01 with the CGW performance kit installed. I can't find any place that rents them, so I am looking for advice from anyone that may own or have shot both? This will be mainly a range gun. I have held both and like the feel of them somewhat equally. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Go to Bullseye Tactical and maybe even SC arms. I'm pretty sure Chris at Bullsye will have a Shadow 2 there for you to finger ****. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted February 9, 2020 8 hours ago, High Exposure said: It’s showing a price of $846 and it won’t ship to NJ. Guess the sales is over. NJ Part is probably cuz of mags. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted February 9, 2020 9 hours ago, High Exposure said: It’s showing a price of $846 and it won’t ship to NJ. Yes the mags are the issue. The Shadow series does not have a 10-round option from the factory. However I know FFLs in NJ can order firearms that come with more than 10-round mags. A FFL can swap out larger mags for 10 round versions to go with a firearm they sell. The OP could have his FFL order one and do that. At their price of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lateapex 3 Posted February 10, 2020 12 hours ago, 45Doll said: Yes the mags are the issue. The Shadow series does not have a 10-round option from the factory. However I know FFLs in NJ can order firearms that come with more than 10-round mags. A FFL can swap out larger mags for 10 round versions to go with a firearm they sell. The OP could have his FFL order one and do that. At their price of course. I'm going to be ordering my Shadow 2 from a shop in PA. they will substitute 10rd magazines. Price is better than anything I have found in NJ, that includes the cost for shipping, and FFL. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustang69 503 Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 6:31 PM, Krdshrk said: Elite 92G LTT - $699.99 in cart https://lockedloaded.com/product/beretta-usa-j92g9lttm-92g-elite-ltt-9mm-luger-singledouble-4.7-151-black-polymer-grip-black-steel-frame-black-slide For that price I'd order another one, but I guess the sale is over since I'm seeing a higher price. At $699 it's one of the best buys out there if you like the Beretta platform. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites