Golf battery 1,223 Posted December 21, 2020 Ever had a squib load at a match? Ruins your whole day. Ask howard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echo five foxtrot 1 Posted December 21, 2020 Ok, I have seen there stuff. I have not used it. Is there a current / local remanufactured ammunition company that is generally recommended? In the 80's early 90's I purchased from a commercial reloader. He was off of Route 22 near Branchburg or Bridgewater. He sold quality stuff in bulk at a big discount to factory ammo. Tom Mundy or something like that. He sold mostly to dealers, ranges and PD's. I would love to find if he is still out there or who took over for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted December 21, 2020 Between us Mrs. 45Doll and I shot over 15,000 rounds of FM reman ammo in 9, 38, 40 and 45 without a significant problem. The only reason I stopped buying from them was when the price of new ammo dropped to FM's price, or below. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted December 21, 2020 Back in the day I remember FM had some QC issues. I've shot many of their 9 & 223 without an issue. Both new and reload rounds. I've had 2 squibs with Federal. I stopped buying FM for the same reason 45Doll did. Just sayin... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redeye65 160 Posted December 21, 2020 Say the squib load doesn’t damage or deform the barrel, is it possible to remove the stuck bullet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted December 21, 2020 Yes, if you don't put a live round behind it. But it takes some work with the proper tools. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smith 3 Posted December 29, 2020 On 12/4/2020 at 2:55 PM, raz-0 said: No need. The pulse will be: Shortage. Even if the demand dried up today, all the distributors and retailers have placed orders for high volumes. They could get fucked on that, but I doubt it significantly. If it were some conspiracy of easy market manipulation as you believe, the answer will be: shortage. Because why not print money if you can. Based on past performance, once the buying starts to decline rather than increase, we will still have at least a year of shit supply and prices to deal with. I was talking to few of my international friends and here is what website of stores like brass pro looks like, in Canada, Europe... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Smith said: I was talking to few of my international friends and here is what website of stores like brass pro looks like, in Canada, Europe... What’s your point? Those prices are what we are seeing in the us. We just buy it all when it comes into stock. The rest of the world doesn’t have that demand, so when it comes into stock it’s... you know... available for a period of time. As I stated before we are seeing some insane retail prices because we have reached a perverse situation where some retailers are buying supply at retail prices and still have to mark them up to turn a profit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smith 3 Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, raz-0 said: What’s your point? Those prices are what we are seeing in the us. We just buy it all when it comes into stock. The rest of the world doesn’t have that demand, so when it comes into stock it’s... you know... available for a period of time. As I stated before we are seeing some insane retail prices because we have reached a perverse situation where some retailers are buying supply at retail prices and still have to mark them up to turn a profit. I have two points...1) it is not as much price as US, in US it is at least 1.5 to 2 times more than this. 2) it is not as constricted supply as US. It is more freely available. So the theory of global crisis due to 5M new users and hoarding is little far fetched from reality. As I was saying we as American lives in alternate reality from rest of the World and our reality is more driven by media 24x7 BS’ing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted December 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Smith said: I have two points...1) it is not as much price as US, in US it is at least 1.5 to 2 times more than this. 2) it is not as constricted supply as US. It is more freely available. So the theory of global crisis due to 5M new users and hoarding is little far fetched from reality. As I was saying we as American lives in alternate reality from rest of the World and our reality is more driven by media 24x7 BS’ing. The prices there are inflated as well. The price there for American eagle is in fact the price federal is charging if you buy direct from them. They are seeing the price increases from manufacturing capacity being overwhelmed. They are not seeing the price increases from the retail supply chain breaking down as is going on in the us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 889 Posted December 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Smith said: I was talking to few of my international friends and here is what website of stores like brass pro looks like, in Canada, Europe... means nothing here, absolutely nothing to our market That said, the prices on ammoseek etc are not retail correct. I've checked multiple supplier sites and the prices are all in line with what we are seeing. We are seeing .60-65/rd for 9mm, .7-90/rd for 5.56, 1.0-2.5/rd for 308, 38/357 is .8-1.0/rd 7mm new gunners on the low estimate means billions more rounds for just 2 boxes of 9, 5 boxes of 5.56 etc.. supply and demand I have ammo if anyone needs it but it's at mkt price. Feel zero sympathy for people that did not stock up. I dealt with the wife bitching on 1k/month in ammo purchases for several years. Now she has the balls to say good job...lol I also shoot more than 99% of the people not a Navy Seal or specialized units. I know I definitely shoot more than swat guys I know. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, RUTGERS95 said: Feel zero sympathy for people that did not stock up. I dealt with the wife bitching on 1k/month in ammo purchases for several years. Now she has the balls to say good job...lol Ha... I thought I was the only one to hear that bitching... When I tell her what it's worth NOW, her jaw drops... 2 hours ago, RUTGERS95 said: 7mm new gunners on the low estimate means billions more rounds for just 2 boxes of 9, 5 boxes of 5.56 etc.. I don't think the new 7 million make such a dent in the supply. It's the other 100 million stocking up too, as well as dealers grabbing what ever they can find. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted December 29, 2020 Salad days https://images.app.goo.gl/VJD8nqxYQDfKVZeW6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted December 29, 2020 Ammo shortage will last deep into 2021. https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2020/12/1/ammo-shortage-will-last-deep-into-2021 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 12 Posted December 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Smith said: I was talking to few of my international friends and here is what website of stores like brass pro looks like, in Canada, Europe... The reason is that in EU they are not as free as we are here in the US. In my country of origin there is a limit of 48(!) rounds per weapon, that you can own at any given time. So no hoarding is possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted December 29, 2020 One local gun store near me stated they are buying retail and then marking up slightly just so they have something to sell to their clients Local gun stores are having as much of hard time finding ammo as everyone else. They are also buying from places like Gunbroker and scouring sites like anmoseek just like their clients are. This drives prices up even further in the aftermarket. Either pay to play or wait it out until prices come down. For almost all of us shooting is a hobby or recreational. Not a necessity. Buy it cheap & stock it deep. Now is not that time unfortunately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squaregrouper 33 Posted December 29, 2020 3 hours ago, gleninjersey said: One local gun store near me stated they are buying retail and then marking up slightly just so they have something to sell to their clients Local gun stores are having as much of hard time finding ammo as everyone else. They are also buying from places like Gunbroker and scouring sites like anmoseek just like their clients are. This drives prices up even further in the aftermarket. Either pay to play or wait it out until prices come down. For almost all of us shooting is a hobby or recreational. Not a necessity. Buy it cheap & stock it deep. Now is not that time unfortunately. I work PT at a gun shop in Marylandistan. We're doing the same thing. Buying at "Ammoseek low price" in bulk and marking up the ammo by $2-$3 per box after shipping is factored in. The amount of foot traffic we have simply because we have ammo in stock is crazy. Oddly enough, the customer base fully understands that $40/50 for target 9mm is currently reasonable because they know they can come to us and actually put their hands on it. People are sick of going to Bass Pro for the 1 in 20 chance they can actually find a box for $18. . ETA- .357 Sig, 10mm and .45ACP are currently retailing for the same, if not slightly lower than 9mm in suburban Baltimore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Squaregrouper said: I work PT at a gun shop in Marylandistan. We're doing the same thing. Buying at "Ammoseek low price" in bulk and marking up the ammo by $2-$3 per box after shipping is factored in. The amount of foot traffic we have simply because we have ammo in stock is crazy. Oddly enough, the customer base fully understands that $40/50 for target 9mm is currently reasonable because they know they can come to us and actually put their hands on it. People are sick of going to Bass Pro for the 1 in 20 chance they can actually find a box for $18. . ETA- .357 Sig, 10mm and .45ACP are currently retailing for the same, if not slightly lower than 9mm in suburban Baltimore. If you don't mind me asking what's a brick of 22lr going for Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted December 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, silverado427 said: If you don't mind me asking what's a brick of 22lr going for $100 bucks on Gun broker! Totally nuts! If I had any sense, I'd sell off a few thousand rounds! But alas, I love my ammo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 889 Posted January 13, 2021 On 12/29/2020 at 11:03 PM, JohnnyB said: $100 bucks on Gun broker! Totally nuts! If I had any sense, I'd sell off a few thousand rounds! But alas, I love my ammo! just looked, 22lr is now over $100/brick. The winchester m-22 is 200! Tula 308 at $25/box online before tax and shipping 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted January 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, RUTGERS95 said: just looked, 22lr is now over $100/brick. The winchester m-22 is 200! Tula 308 at $25/box online before tax and shipping That's fargin crazy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,120 Posted January 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, silverado427 said: That's fargin crazy No, what's happening to our country causing the price increases is crazy. The inflated prices are a natural and predictable consequence. If you want normal ammo prices, fix the root problem. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 889 Posted January 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, silverado427 said: That's fargin crazy not at all. think about it like this, if you are going to train with your AR and 5.56 is out of reach then what are you training with? 22lr is like budweiser, ammo of second choice also don't forget how long it took for 22lr to come back on the mkt after the last scare what is crazy is the tula 308. Now that is fking nuts!!!!!!! I wonder what surplus 30-06 is going for Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveR 42 Posted January 13, 2021 On the lighter side, I thought I had a safe full of lead. Turns out it is gold. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 889 Posted January 13, 2021 FGMM 168gr bthp is going for 2.5/rd before tax and shipping. wow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,120 Posted January 13, 2021 57 minutes ago, DaveR said: I thought I had a safe full of lead. Turns out it is gold. Economic alchemy. Maybe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, RUTGERS95 said: FGMM 168gr bthp is going for 2.5/rd before tax and shipping. wow That stuff was already expensive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennj 215 Posted January 14, 2021 DaveR, in a few months you might wish that gold actually was lead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilbert1967 145 Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 8:20 AM, DaveR said: On the lighter side, I thought I had a safe full of lead. Turns out it is gold. Yup. I pretty sure someone said this elsewhere on the forum but my ammo is worth more than my guns right now. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted January 14, 2021 There were 442,214 hand gun permits filed in 2020 according to the NJSP. In 2019 there were only 102,270 hand gun permits filed. Figure a hundred + rounds for each permit . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites