Bowling Ball 22 Posted February 13, 2020 This is indeed interesting and worth reading. The ATF approved a form 1 tax stamp, essentially opening up the doors for other things as well. After paying the king's tax and receiving his approval, this person plans on building a sub 26" AOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted February 13, 2020 Do tell. Explain further. What are you building? Oh...Congrats Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted February 13, 2020 If you read through it an "in house" poster comments about becoming a target for the NJSP and ATF. It is my understanding that owning a tax stamped NFA firearm allows them to search your residence without a warrant for an inspection. That may not be everyone's cup of tea. Edit: I've been searching for the warrantless search that I found mentioned and it might not be accurate. I'm still looking for supporting evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted February 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said: If you read through it an "in house" poster comments about becoming a target for the NJSP and ATF. It is my understanding that owning a tax stamped NFA firearm allows them to search your residence without a warrant for an inspection. That may not be everyone's cup of tea. That's what the red flag laws do now anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted February 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Krdshrk said: That's what the red flag laws do now anyway? Very true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bowling Ball 22 Posted February 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, The_Matrix said: Do tell. Explain further. What are you building? Oh...Congrats Not me, just somebody from Reddit that posted this. Figured I would share if anybody else was interested. This does indeed open many opportunities for further exploration of the laws that were once deemed off limits in NJ. Thank goodness for this younger generation that questions tyranny. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted February 13, 2020 The Feds will approve an AOW, but the NJSP will not like it and threaten charges. It happened to me many years ago, but things may have changed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bowling Ball 22 Posted February 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, PK90 said: The Feds will approve an AOW, but the NJSP will not like it and threaten charges. It happened to me many years ago, but things may have changed. What laws are there preventing this? https://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf AOW from a receiver. AOW because: Utilize an ATF Approved Pistol Stabilizing Brace Have a Vertical Fore Grip An OAL Under 26 Inches New Jersey Compliance: Per the Statues AOWs are Not Illegal in NJ I am NOT Requesting to Build an AOW from a Rifle, Pistol or Shotgun Lower Receivers are Deemed Firearms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted February 13, 2020 The laws were the same in 2003 also, but the idiot's in the NJSP FIU at that time were clueless. Time will tell if things have changed. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted February 13, 2020 For those of you too lazy to click through the link in OP: What you are looking at today is History. I have been granted approval on my (4) Form 1’s. Now what sets this apart from the other post in this group by u/Muuurrrrmaidman (who is an innovator and I’d consider him an internet friend as he and I have been communicating privately through my entire process) is these were all done in Stripped Lower Receivers . This process began the first week of December 2019, and culminated today. There have been 30+ emails back and forth with weapons specialists, examiners, and chiefs. It is historic because I was informed by the ATF they did not have an Standard Operating Procedure , for AOWs in NJ. Now they do. Yours in firearms. There’s some real Mavericks hanging out in r/njguns. That’s where AOW’s in NJ were announced originally also. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted February 13, 2020 It's been a long week for me, so I don't really follow this. I thought short AR's (brace stock, vertical grip, etc, etc) were OK in NJ now. I don't understand the significance of the effort this guy went through. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bowling Ball 22 Posted February 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said: It's been a long week for me, so I don't really follow this. I thought short AR's (brace stock, vertical grip, etc, etc) were OK in NJ now. I don't understand the significance of the effort this guy went through. With this stamp you could build a sub 26" AOW. This opens the door to other manufacturers as well. For example an MP5K with a brace and VFG would be possible if sold as an AOW if a MFR wanted to invest the time. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted February 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Bowling Ball said: With this stamp you could build a sub 26" AOW. This opens the door to other manufacturers as well. For example an MP5K with a brace and VFG would be possible if sold as an AOW if a MFR wanted to invest the time. Thanks! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted February 13, 2020 Everything I've found from reputable sources states that an individual does not give up their 4th Amendment rights for owning an NFA item. NEVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH. A guy on here got a visit from local police and child services after some leftist loser contacted them after he posted a picture of his son holding a .22lr rifle on Facebook. This was before we had the unconstitutional red flag laws. YMMV 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,777 Posted February 14, 2020 22 hours ago, ChrisJM981 said: A guy on here got a visit from local police and child services after some leftist loser contacted them after he posted a picture of his son holding a .22lr rifle on Facebook. This was before we had the unconstitutional red flag laws. YMMV He was just out hunting mountain lions. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted February 14, 2020 I wonder what happened to that guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 14, 2020 I think he moved to DE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,777 Posted February 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, WP22 said: I wonder what happened to that guy. He got eaten by the mountain lion. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikey_golds 14 Posted February 17, 2020 Pssst the stamp --> that was me 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, mikey_golds said: Pssst the stamp --> that was me Oh my. I have questions... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikey_golds 14 Posted February 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said: Oh my. I have questions... Go on.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, mikey_golds said: Go on.... Did you get a lawyer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikey_golds 14 Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: Did you get a lawyer? Why would I need to? But I consulted with a lawyer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, mikey_golds said: Why would I need to? But I consulted with a lawyer So, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikey_golds 14 Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Ray Ray said: So, yes. More to ensure i wasn’t wasting my time. Applying etc. the law is very self explanatory Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,777 Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/14/2020 at 8:54 AM, Zeke said: I think he moved to DE https://www.yahoo.com/gma/girl-6-attacked-mountain-lion-saved-adult-punched-103250397--abc-news-topstories.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted February 17, 2020 what do you apply the stamp for? For an AR15 style weapon or something else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikey_golds 14 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, The_Matrix said: what do you apply the stamp for? For an AR15 style weapon or something else? i applied for 4, 2 on aero m4e1s, 1 on a brownells brn 22 receiver and 1 on a foxtrot mike ar 9 lower receiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, mikey_golds said: i applied for 4, 2 on aero m4e1s, 1 on a brownells brn 22 receiver and 1 on a foxtrot mike ar 9 lower receiver Cheaper to move and have normal pistols. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikey_golds 14 Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, PK90 said: Cheaper to move and have normal pistols. facts. and im trying its just hard to find buy side finance jobs out of the tri-state area Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites