NJ History made today (NFA tax stamp approved)

[Bowling Ball 22]

This is indeed interesting and worth reading. The ATF approved a form 1 tax stamp, essentially opening up the doors for other things as well. 

After paying the king's tax and receiving his approval, this person plans on building a sub 26" AOW.

 

[The_Matrix 95]

Do tell. 

Explain further. 

What are you building?

Oh...Congrats

[ChrisJM981 906]

If you read through it an "in house" poster comments about becoming a target for the NJSP and ATF. It is my understanding that owning a tax stamped NFA firearm allows them to search your residence without a warrant for an inspection. That may not be everyone's cup of tea. 

 

Edit: I've been searching for the warrantless search that I found mentioned and it might not be accurate. I'm still looking for supporting evidence. 

[Krdshrk 3,249]

8 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said:

If you read through it an "in house" poster comments about becoming a target for the NJSP and ATF. It is my understanding that owning a tax stamped NFA firearm allows them to search your residence without a warrant for an inspection. That may not be everyone's cup of tea. 

That's what the red flag laws do now anyway?

[ChrisJM981 906]

24 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

That's what the red flag laws do now anyway?

Very true. 

[Bowling Ball 22]

46 minutes ago, The_Matrix said:

Do tell. 

Explain further. 

What are you building?

Oh...Congrats

Not me, just somebody from Reddit that posted this. Figured I would share if anybody else was interested.

This does indeed open many opportunities for further exploration of the laws that were once deemed off limits in NJ. 

Thank goodness for this younger generation that questions tyranny.

[PK90 3,448]

The Feds will approve an AOW, but the NJSP will not like it and threaten charges. It happened to me many years ago, but things may have changed. 

[Bowling Ball 22]

10 minutes ago, PK90 said:

The Feds will approve an AOW, but the NJSP will not like it and threaten charges. It happened to me many years ago, but things may have changed. 

What laws are there preventing this?  

https://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf

AOW from a receiver.  AOW because:

1. Utilize an ATF Approved Pistol Stabilizing Brace

2. Have a Vertical Fore Grip

3. An OAL Under 26 Inches

New Jersey Compliance:

1. Per the Statues AOWs are Not Illegal in NJ

2. I am NOT Requesting to Build an AOW from a Rifle, Pistol or Shotgun

3. Lower Receivers are Deemed Firearms

[PK90 3,448]

The laws were the same in 2003 also, but the idiot's in the NJSP FIU at that time were clueless. Time will tell if things have changed.

[DirtyDigz 1,340]

For those of you too lazy to click through the link in OP:

What you are looking at today is History. 

I have been granted approval on my (4) Form 1’s. 

Now what sets this apart from the other post in this group by u/Muuurrrrmaidman (who is an innovator and I’d consider him an internet friend as he and I have been communicating privately through my entire process) is these were all done in Stripped Lower Receivers .

This process began the first week of December 2019, and culminated today. There have been 30+ emails back and forth with weapons specialists, examiners, and chiefs. 

It is historic because I was informed by the ATF they did not have an Standard Operating Procedure , for AOWs in NJ. 

Now they do. 

Yours in firearms.
 

There’s some real Mavericks hanging out in r/njguns.  That’s where AOW’s in NJ were announced originally also.

 

[124gr9mm 495]

It's been a long week for me, so I don't really follow this.

I thought short AR's (brace stock, vertical grip, etc, etc) were OK in NJ now.

I don't understand the significance of the effort this guy went through.

[Bowling Ball 22]

54 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said:

It's been a long week for me, so I don't really follow this.

I thought short AR's (brace stock, vertical grip, etc, etc) were OK in NJ now.

I don't understand the significance of the effort this guy went through.

With this stamp you could build a sub 26" AOW.

This opens the door to other manufacturers as well. For example an MP5K with a brace and VFG would be possible if sold as an AOW if a MFR wanted to invest the time.  

 

[124gr9mm 495]

24 minutes ago, Bowling Ball said:

With this stamp you could build a sub 26" AOW.

This opens the door to other manufacturers as well. For example an MP5K with a brace and VFG would be possible if sold as an AOW if a MFR wanted to invest the time.  

 

Thanks!

[ChrisJM981 906]

Everything I've found from reputable sources states that an individual does not give up their 4th Amendment rights for owning an NFA item. 

NEVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH. 

A guy on here got a visit from local police and child services after some leftist loser contacted them after he posted a picture of his son holding a .22lr rifle on Facebook. This was before we had the unconstitutional red flag laws. YMMV

[CMJeepster 1,970]

22 hours ago, ChrisJM981 said:

A guy on here got a visit from local police and child services after some leftist loser contacted them after he posted a picture of his son holding a .22lr rifle on Facebook. This was before we had the unconstitutional red flag laws. YMMV

He was just out hunting mountain lions.

[WP22 1,558]

I wonder what happened to that guy. 

[Zeke 5,501]

I think he moved to DE

[CMJeepster 1,970]

7 minutes ago, WP22 said:

I wonder what happened to that guy. 

He got eaten by the mountain lion.

[mikey_golds 14]

Pssst the stamp --> that was me

[ChrisJM981 906]

2 hours ago, mikey_golds said:

Pssst the stamp --> that was me

Oh my. I have questions...

[mikey_golds 14]

8 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said:

Oh my. I have questions...

Go on....

[Ray Ray 3,566]

31 minutes ago, mikey_golds said:

Go on....

Did you get a lawyer?

[mikey_golds 14]

3 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:

Did you get a lawyer?

Why would I need to? But I consulted with a lawyer 

[Ray Ray 3,566]

1 minute ago, mikey_golds said:

Why would I need to? But I consulted with a lawyer 

So, yes.

[mikey_golds 14]

1 minute ago, Ray Ray said:

So, yes.

More to ensure i wasn’t wasting my time. Applying etc. the law is very self explanatory 

[CMJeepster 1,970]

On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2020 at 8:54 AM, Zeke said:

I think he moved to DE

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/girl-6-attacked-mountain-lion-saved-adult-punched-103250397--abc-news-topstories.html

[The_Matrix 95]

what do you apply the stamp for?  For an AR15 style weapon or something else?

[mikey_golds 14]

1 hour ago, The_Matrix said:

what do you apply the stamp for?  For an AR15 style weapon or something else?

i applied for 4, 2 on aero m4e1s, 1 on a brownells brn 22 receiver and 1 on a foxtrot mike ar 9 lower receiver 

[PK90 3,448]

2 hours ago, mikey_golds said:

i applied for 4, 2 on aero m4e1s, 1 on a brownells brn 22 receiver and 1 on a foxtrot mike ar 9 lower receiver 

Cheaper to move and have normal pistols.

[mikey_golds 14]

3 minutes ago, PK90 said:

Cheaper to move and have normal pistols.

facts. and im trying its just hard to find buy side finance jobs out of the tri-state area