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Im moving abroad and looking for some pointers an bringing my small collection with me.  Spoke to PD in the country Im moving to and it looks like Im going to need some proof of a 22 bolt action my Pops left me.  He bought it new in 72 and passed away in 97, so no paperwork for that one.  All other firearm have paperwork.

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I am not sure, check the NJSP firearms division website to see how you can do that. Besides the defacto registration with handguns in this state with the pistol permit system, registration of nj legal long guns and handguns that were legally acquired outside of NJ are not required to be registered.   

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Google the rules for inheriting firearms in NJ before you fill out the Form of Voluntary Registration.  If the firearm wasn't listed in the will, it's not as simple as it should be.  I don't want you to get the answers wrong and end up with problems.

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On 2/17/2020 at 12:08 PM, maintenanceguy said:

Google the rules for inheriting firearms in NJ before you fill out the Form of Voluntary Registration.  If the firearm wasn't listed in the will, it's not as simple as it should be.  I don't want you to get the answers wrong and end up with problems.

I think the voluntary form of registration is just for handguns.

49 minutes ago, Oakridgefirearms said:

I believe you will need to file paperwork with the ATF to export them out of the country. I'm not sure how easy that is to do. I also think they will ask if the export is temporary or permanent.

I've been away from this for about 15 years but it may be as simple as getting a registration form from CBP.  With the form, they don't keep a copy, it becomes returned US goods.  I'll see if I can get more info for you.

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I haven't done it since '89, but back then to take firearms out of the country for competition, you had to present them to customs in advance of your trip, and they'd document what you had, which essentially became your proof of ownership, and allowed you to bring the guns back in on your return without being charged import duty (the guns in question weren't made domestically, so you wanted this proof that you weren't importing them)

You're wise to seek out more recent guidance than what I can provide!

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16 minutes ago, Slab Sides said:

Thanks for the responces.

This is a permanent move, not vacation.  

There is only one firearm I have without any paper trail.  All others have receips or were purchased new.  Do I still need to verify all firearms to CBP/ATF?

 

If you're going to take them with you, yes.

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9 hours ago, Slab Sides said:

Thanks for the responces.

This is a permanent move, not vacation.  

There is only one firearm I have without any paper trail.  All others have receips or were purchased new.  Do I still need to verify all firearms to CBP/ATF?

 

Importing and exporting firearms into and out of the USA is more involved than simply declaring them at customs. There are all kinds of regulations and treaties that get involved when arms are being moved from one country to another. I wouldn't try leaving with them without doing the paperwork - your guns could be seized or you could be charged with violating some federal law.

 

I would also check with customs in the country you're moving to. There probably is a process on that end as well (although I wouldn't have any real idea on that). The PD there may be familiar with how to buy and own guns there but importing may be another story. I've heard enough stories from people who have traveled to foreign countries for hunting trips and been hassled or worse by customs when they landed in that country.

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3 hours ago, Slab Sides said:

If anyone can dumb this down for me it would be great.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=e55795eb0e7d6fc0ea7586884cae2616&mc=true&node=se22.1.123_117&rgn=div8

Quick browse looks like 3 firearms and 1k rounds.

You fit under (c), (2) & (3).

BTW which country are you moving to.

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How long are you going to Georgia?

I have a chart with the ATF forms needed, but sitting in my locker at work. I’ll be there Monday, if it isn’t time pressing. It breaks down which forms go with what circumstance.

We had a guy trying to bring in rifles from an Artic exploration ship a few months back (taking them to Remington to have them rebuilt), and thought he would be ok having them transferred over in Canada. Needed a firearms importer to do it, which he really didn’t want to deal with.

For ownership, a CBP 4475 should be good. We use it for things like pumps and other serialized pieces of equipment going into Canada, so when they bring it back, we know it isn’t newly purchased. It’s hard to say, being hunters going over to Canada only hand their Canadian weapon registration forms to show they came in with the guns... and we might run serial numbers if they are filing Fish/Wildlife forms on the way in. I’ve had Canadians come in with ATF forms/firearms, but nothing really related to a US Citizen.

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Chart is L/E sensitive... but if you are a US citizen or LPR, have everything on a CBP 4457 (sorry, I got it messed up in previous post). An officer will have to confirm numbers/sign. It shows you had possession of it in the US, and you are just bringing it back. Will other paperwork suffice on return trip? Probably... but the 4457 will definitely work. And if you leave again, as long as the same guns go, you’ll have the form already filled out (doesn’t expire). It is a form roughly the size of an index card.

Whatever Georgia requires... no idea.

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